WAR (Warhammer Online)

I gotta say... SO WHAT!?

"omg 4 classes gone and only 20 to choose from! *cry*"

boo effin hoo! STFU! Most games dont have anywhere near that many classes to choose from. They didnt say they are going to be cut out of the game for all time. They will put them in when they are up to par with the rest of the classes. Keep in mind how difficult it is to balance even 6 classes. They had 24 to balance and make decent. That they got 20 working is a huge feat. I mean my god did any of you play EQ? How many years did people bitch about class balance? They didnt have anywhere near 20 classes and they couldent get it right. Hell I dont know if they ever got it right or not, stoped playing that game ages ago.

As for the cities being cut for now.. again.. SO WHAT? I mean really.. the cities are, from what I understand.. huge and supposed to have a real purpose other than a trainer/vendor like most games. If they arnt done then why put them in game? Do you all really want 2 good cities an 4 ghost towns? I can see it now.. they put in the unfinnished cities so the whinners shut up.. then the whinners are happy an go to the said cities.. look around and say.. "Hey.. this place isnt done.. this place sucks! Im out of here!" and then said people go to the fourms an bitch that they put in unfinnished features. If that happens.. just remember.. you asked for it. But fortunately for any of us with a thinking brain that isnt going to happen.

Sorry to any of you who are all butt-hurt about the cuts but I for one would rather have finnished features in game rather than a bunch of half done, unpolished crap. They really only had three options.. put in unfinnished crap or push release back to another date. But you can only delay a game for so long or it will hurt the game in the long run. So im glad they went with option 3 and cut them out (for now) untill everything is done. I really dont want to wait untill 2010 or some other absurd amount of time for release nor do I want another AoC. Sorry but no half games for me.

I think mythic chose the right path on this. I have to give them props for everything they have managed to do thus far and plan to do. People bitch an bitch but fail to realize how hard it is to make an mmo. I know I couldent do it...

Originally posted by gorguk

I gotta say... SO WHAT!?

"omg 4 classes gone and only 20 to choose from! *cry*"

boo effin hoo! STFU! Most games dont have anywhere near that many classes to choose from. They didnt say they are going to be cut out of the game for all time. They will put them in when they are up to par with the rest of the classes. Keep in mind how difficult it is to balance even 6 classes. They had 24 to balance and make decent. That they got 20 working is a huge feat. I mean my god did any of you play EQ? How many years did people bitch about class balance? They didnt have anywhere near 20 classes and they couldent get it right. Hell I dont know if they ever got it right or not, stoped playing that game ages ago.

As for the cities being cut for now.. again.. SO WHAT? I mean really.. the cities are, from what I understand.. huge and supposed to have a real purpose other than a trainer/vendor like most games. If they arnt done then why put them in game? Do you all really want 2 good cities an 4 ghost towns? I can see it now.. they put in the unfinnished cities so the whinners shut up.. then the whinners are happy an go to the said cities.. look around and say.. "Hey.. this place isnt done.. this place sucks! Im out of here!" and then said people go to the fourms an bitch that they put in unfinnished features. If that happens.. just remember.. you asked for it. But fortunately for any of us with a thinking brain that isnt going to happen.

Sorry to any of you who are all butt-hurt about the cuts but I for one would rather have finnished features in game rather than a bunch of half done, unpolished crap. They really only had three options.. put in unfinnished crap or push release back to another date. But you can only delay a game for so long or it will hurt the game in the long run. So im glad they went with option 3 and cut them out (for now) untill everything is done. I really dont want to wait untill 2010 or some other absurd amount of time for release nor do I want another AoC. Sorry but no half games for me.

I think mythic chose the right path on this. I have to give them props for everything they have managed to do thus far and plan to do. People bitch an bitch but fail to realize how hard it is to make an mmo. I know I couldent do it...

IF you look at it as 4 of the 24 classes not ready then you are correct but that is not the case and you know it.

You need to look at it like this 4 of the 6 tank classes are going to be missing, which limits the choice of players which is ALWAYS A BAD THING.

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Originally posted by Distaste

I really hope they delay to get the 4 old classes or 4 new classes in.

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Here is a thought, don't buy the game till the delayed classes and cities are in.

Originally posted by gorguk

I gotta say... SO WHAT!?

"omg 4 classes gone and only 20 to choose from! *cry*"

boo effin hoo! STFU! Most games dont have anywhere near that many classes to choose from. They didnt say they are going to be cut out of the game for all time. They will put them in when they are up to par with the rest of the classes. Keep in mind how difficult it is to balance even 6 classes. They had 24 to balance and make decent. That they got 20 working is a huge feat. I mean my god did any of you play EQ? How many years did people bitch about class balance? They didnt have anywhere near 20 classes and they couldent get it right. Hell I dont know if they ever got it right or not, stoped playing that game ages ago.

As for the cities being cut for now.. again.. SO WHAT? I mean really.. the cities are, from what I understand.. huge and supposed to have a real purpose other than a trainer/vendor like most games. If they arnt done then why put them in game? Do you all really want 2 good cities an 4 ghost towns? I can see it now.. they put in the unfinnished cities so the whinners shut up.. then the whinners are happy an go to the said cities.. look around and say.. "Hey.. this place isnt done.. this place sucks! Im out of here!" and then said people go to the fourms an bitch that they put in unfinnished features. If that happens.. just remember.. you asked for it. But fortunately for any of us with a thinking brain that isnt going to happen.

Sorry to any of you who are all butt-hurt about the cuts but I for one would rather have finnished features in game rather than a bunch of half done, unpolished crap. They really only had three options.. put in unfinnished crap or push release back to another date. But you can only delay a game for so long or it will hurt the game in the long run. So im glad they went with option 3 and cut them out (for now) untill everything is done. I really dont want to wait untill 2010 or some other absurd amount of time for release nor do I want another AoC. Sorry but no half games for me.

I think mythic chose the right path on this. I have to give them props for everything they have managed to do thus far and plan to do. People bitch an bitch but fail to realize how hard it is to make an mmo. I know I couldent do it...

LOL, you weren't an AOC fanboi by chance were you? Because this post is quite similar to ones posted over there pre-release, when beta leaks and what not confirmed content was missing/removed.

Fact is...some folks were really looking forward to playing some of the missing classes, and they are understandably disappointed.  Character creation and playstyle is very important to some folks and they are not willing to compromise by playing an alternative character.  OK, maybe they will, but they need to time to come to acceptance before moving forward.

I agree with you about the cities, not a big deal at launch, easy to live with.

In the end, folks will have to make a decision. Is the game as its delivered at launch worth paying Mythic to play, and will it be fun.  If the answer is yes, then welcome to the party.  If no, see you in the next game.

I guess people don't understand the concept of a Beta.  This is where the difference between people comes in.  Some people (those that are upset right now) are the ones that play a Beta stage just to see if they like the game.  The other set of people (Those that are understanding right now) are the ones that play a beta to actually make the game a better product. 

I guess they could be like Age of Conan who didn't even allow us to test the Sieges before going live. 

Or they could be like numerous other MMO launches that have launched with content that wasn't as good as what it could of been. 

People moan and complain saying that companies ship their games in Beta stages and instead Mythic is taking the necessary means to make sure their game ships in Great shape.  And still people moan and complain?  

I guess that is what trolls do after all. 

Personally, I don't see how anyone can be upset at this particular stage of the game.  Everyone assumes that the game is right around the corner and that it was ready for release but that just isn't true.  Mythic (Mainly through MJ) has always made it clear that their release schedule was in "mud" meaning it could change at anytime. 

What people seem to forget is that Warhammer is still a super short Development time.  Even if it doesn't launch until 2009 it will have been about a 4 year development cycle.  Which would then finally put it around the norm for the market.  If it launches in 2008 it will be probably the second fastest development time for a major MMO.  I know the fastest development time for an AAA MMO was Mythic's Dark Age of Camelot (which they developed and launched in 18 months). 

Originally posted by TdogSkal

 IF you look at it as 4 of the 24 classes not ready then you are correct but that is not the case and you know it.

You need to look at it like this 4 of the 6 tank classes are going to be missing, which limits the choice of players which is ALWAYS A BAD THING.

Hmm I thought it was 2 tanks 2 dps. But either way my point is vaid. Its amazing to get even 20 classes working. Everyone should be happy with that. As I said the others will be in game later on. Also I look at it from many points of views. One of them is being a long time mmo'er. In most games tanks/healers are the less played classes. Most gravitate tward Casters/dps/hybreds. This game being mostly about PvP/RvR I cant see it being any different since most people will want to do as much damage as they can as fast as they can to take down the rival side. Not that tanks dont have uses in PvP mind you. Being hard to take down an such things has its uses. But I think even if they did have all the tank classes in you probably wouldent see as many of them as the other classes. I guess in the end tho this whole arguement is stupid since they arnt taking them out of game for good, they will be in game eventualy. as the guy after you said.. if you dont like it and MUST play one of the cut classes just dont buy the game untill they are in.

Edit: To the guy who asked if I was a AoC fanboi, no. Not really a fanboi of any game. Only played AoC for like an hour an gave up. mostly due to having older hardware. Had planned on giving it another go once I upgraded an see how the game is but after seeing all the poor choices FC has made I dont think I want to give it another shot at the moment. I just think that Mythic is making a good choice in this matter.

Originally posted by Cabe2323

I guess people don't understand the concept of a Beta.  This is where the difference between people comes in.  Some people (those that are upset right now) are the ones that play a Beta stage just to see if they like the game.  The other set of people (Those that are understanding right now) are the ones that play a beta to actually make the game a better product. 

 

I guess they could be like Age of Conan who didn't even allow us to test the Sieges before going live. 

Or they could be like numerous other MMO launches that have launched with content that wasn't as good as what it could of been. 

People moan and complain saying that companies ship their games in Beta stages and instead Mythic is taking the necessary means to make sure their game ships in Great shape.  And still people moan and complain?  

 

I guess that is what trolls do after all. 

 

Personally, I don't see how anyone can be upset at this particular stage of the game.  Everyone assumes that the game is right around the corner and that it was ready for release but that just isn't true.  Mythic (Mainly through MJ) has always made it clear that their release schedule was in "mud" meaning it could change at anytime. 

What people seem to forget is that Warhammer is still a super short Development time.  Even if it doesn't launch until 2009 it will have been about a 4 year development cycle.  Which would then finally put it around the norm for the market.  If it launches in 2008 it will be probably the second fastest development time for a major MMO.  I know the fastest development time for an AAA MMO was Mythic's Dark Age of Camelot (which they developed and launched in 18 months). 

I like how you group everyone based on if they are disappointed or not... Your so full of shit.   I know what it takes to beta tester.... I dont use it as a free way to check the game and I fall under your upset about the changes.

Your so wrong with your whole post I dont know were to start.    Their are people that are upset right now that understand what beta is for so get over yourself.

So how is WAR not going to release with the game still in beta stages when they are missing features?  The game is not complete per what WAR has on there feature list which is right on their website.

The game is not ready for release if the game is not complete.... its that simple.  Cutting content so that you can met your release date is exactly what AoC did and it is now what WAR is about to do.

Dont get me wrong, WAR could still be a great game, these cuts could make the game better but I dont see how cutting content is going to make your game better but hey thats my opinion and I am nobody to WAR.

MJ is not telling us the full truth.  MJ is and Mythic are in full damage control mode after releasing the information about cutting content and they are now trying to justify release a game that is not feature complete per their own website.