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Originally posted by lomiller

 

If Reagan “won” the cold war why did Gorbachev get the Nobel peace prize instead? I realize you were not even born back then but if you had been you would realize that end of the cold war came because Gorbachev decided to ignore Reagan’s militarism and act unilaterally. You would also realize the cold war wasn’t actually a war and it had been going on in every presidency on that graph. (What is it with Republicans, everything is a “war”. I think that could be why they handle real wars so badly, they don’t really understand what they are.) 

 

 

BTW, the cato institute is another right wing propaganda organization designed to convince people to turn over their money and liberty to big biasness. You may want to take anything they say with a  grain of salt, they do not have your best interest at heart. 

you leftist enjoy rewriting history.

the cold war was 'fought' between the US and USSR.

who won the cold war? are you saying russia won?

Originally posted by bluberryhaze

Originally posted by lomiller

 

If Reagan “won” the cold war why did Gorbachev get the Nobel peace prize instead? I realize you were not even born back then but if you had been you would realize that end of the cold war came because Gorbachev decided to ignore Reagan’s militarism and act unilaterally. You would also realize the cold war wasn’t actually a war and it had been going on in every presidency on that graph. (What is it with Republicans, everything is a “war”. I think that could be why they handle real wars so badly, they don’t really understand what they are.) 

 

 

BTW, the cato institute is another right wing propaganda organization designed to convince people to turn over their money and liberty to big biasness. You may want to take anything they say with a  grain of salt, they do not have your best interest at heart. 

 

you leftist enjoy rewriting history.

the cold war was 'fought' between the US and USSR.

who won the cold war? are you saying russia won?

Agreed...

Originally posted by lomiller

 

If Reagan “won” the cold war why did Gorbachev get the Nobel peace prize instead? I realize you were not even born back then but if you had been you would realize that end of the cold war came because Gorbachev decided to ignore Reagan’s militarism and act unilaterally. You would also realize the cold war wasn’t actually a war and it had been going on in every presidency on that graph. (What is it with Republicans, everything is a “war”. I think that could be why they handle real wars so badly, they don’t really understand what they are.) 

 

 

BTW, the cato institute is another right wing propaganda organization designed to convince people to turn over their money and liberty to big biasness. You may want to take anything they say with a  grain of salt, they do not have your best interest at heart. 

I will forgive your obvious ignorance of American History since you are Canadian. 

First off Republicans are the party against War.  They were Elected to end wars.  Only recently have "Neocons" gone completely against the historical precendence of the Republican Party.

Democrats are the WAR Party:

First Barbary War

Second Barbary War

War of 1812

Mexican American War

Intervention in the Russian Civil War

WW1

WW2

Korea

Vietnam

Somalia

Kosovo

Technically the Bush family is the only aspect of the Republican Party that historically has gone to War.   With Bush Jr being the predominate one and also being a major NeoCon. 

You do realize that the vast majority of "Big Business" is liberal right?  The vast majority of CEOs are liberals. 

Once again Republicans are the Party of Small Government, non-interventionism, low taxes for all, etc.  Lately "NeoCons" have adopted a lot of historically Democrat/Liberal Ideas. 

If you think that Reagan had nothing to do with the end of the Cold War or the end of Communism in Russian then you are simply ignorant.  Reagan convinced the Saudies to up gas production.  This made it impossible for Russia to earn enough money to keep their vast Military Structure working which in turn made it impossible for Russian Communism to dominate.  It is no Accident that Gorbachev was elected

here is an excerpt about him:

In 1985, Gorbachev announced that the Soviet economy was stalled and that reorganization was needed. Initially, his reforms were called uskoreniye (acceleration) but later the terms glasnost (liberalisation, opening up) and perestroika (restructuring) became much more popular.

What caused the Soviet economy to stall? 

Other great peace prize winners..there are probably more good ones.

Terrorist Yasser Arafat...I guess in this case it is awarded before any peace actually exist.

Jimmy Carter...hey, he is a good guy on the left who deserves it. What did he get it for again? Anybody know without looking? 

Al Gore...for making a movie raising global warming hysteria to a new level. Somehow it is related to peace.

IAEA...another one prematurly awarded.

Gorbachev got waxed and won a consolation prize.

Using peace prize winner for an argument doesn't hold much sway. They are just another politcal group with an agenda.

Originally posted by olddaddy

Bush is the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the US government. He appoints the Secretary of the Treasury, who is answerable to Bush for fiscal policy.  He appoints the Chairman of the Federal Reserve bank, who is answerable to Bush for financial policy. He appoints a Secretary of Energy, who is answerable to Bush on America's energy policy. He appoints a Secretary of Defense, who is answerable to Bush on military policy. He appoints a Secretary of Labor, who is answerable to Bush on employment policy.

When any of these appointees fail in his/her job, Bush is ultimately responsible for removing these individuals and replacing them with someone capable of performing the job better. That is the responsibility of the CEO of any large organization.

To say he is not responsible is to bury your head in the sand and take the approach that the CEO of any organization should not be held accountable for his organization's failure to perform. In corporate America such a CEO would be removed by the board of directors. In the government the investors, that is the taxpayers, are stuck with an underperforming, irresponsible CEO for 4 years.

"You're doing a good job, Brownie".

 

That's not true. Governments aren't companies. The US is a free market and even if it isn't the government can't control the economy. The economy isn’t a machine. It didn’t work for the commeis, it sure won’t work in a capitalist market.

However, the economy can be predicted at certain times. For an example, every Presidential election year the stock market will go down until the election has ended. Why?  Uncertainty. In the stock market/economy, no one likes surprises good or bad. Every 8+ years the chance of a recession will grow. Why? Because the economy needs a break. Pretend you been running 8+ years, you deserve a one year break don’t you think?

With that said, the definition of a recession is two negative growths in a row. The last two quarters the US grew .6% 1st quarter and 1% 2nd quarter. The stock market is in negative territory because of the election and the slowing down of economy, not because we are in a recession.

Originally posted by bluberryhaze

 

you leftist enjoy rewriting history.

the cold war was 'fought' between the US and USSR.

who won the cold war? are you saying russia won?

When did the US troops march surround the red army and capture Moscow, I must have missed that.  Oh, I see, you are saying they did and it’s all just a giant conspiracy to hide it and revises history.

 BTW I’m a moderate right of center who doesn’t care for extremists of any flavor, and doesn’t like propaganda BS from right or left,  The problem is the US right has it’s head so far up the ass of their corporate overloads they can’t see they have been made into

Originally posted by lomiller

Originally posted by bluberryhaze

 

you leftist enjoy rewriting history.

the cold war was 'fought' between the US and USSR.

who won the cold war? are you saying russia won?

 

 

When did the US troops march surround the red army and capture Moscow, I must have missed that.  Oh, I see, you are saying they did and it’s all just a giant conspiracy to hide it and revises history.

 BTW I’m a moderate right of center who doesn’t care for extremists of any flavor, and doesn’t like propaganda BS from right or left,  The problem is the US right has it’s head so far up the ass of their corporate overloads they can’t see they have been made into

hahahhaha right of center. You're Canadian right? If so your right to center is far left in the USA.

Where the Soviet Union? In the ashes of history. Who put Soviet down? The USA. It isn't up for debate.

Originally posted by lomiller

Originally posted by Cabe2323

 

You do realize that the vast majority of "Big Business" is liberal right? 

Are you insane? 

What is so insane about that? Business wants to throw off as much cost onto the government as possible. Healthcare would be a big savings for them.

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