WAR (Warhammer Online)

I wonder if we'l see the content in an expansion which we have to pay for...

ya know i thin honestly we forget how much WOW left out that they promised when it came out due to its huge success short after. Prob cause its been so long ago since its release.

to respond to the person above me.

you had to in WoW , but we forget dont we :)

"Besides the content removed what does this say about the game?"
 

It says that Mythic cares more about pleasing their shareholders in the short term than the long term.

It says that EA is applying a lot of pressure from the top to get the job done, and that to the suits in the glass tower an incomplete launch is preferable to a further delayed launch.

It says that, somewhere along the way, despite all the hype and PR spin that has been flowing out of this game for over a year, the idea of a quality product was lost. This might not be AoC all over again, but the purity and hope that people had come to associate with this title is now either gone or severely depressed.

I'm sorry, but this is just a disgusting, wretched misstep. 2/6 cities at launch in an RvR game whose central focus is the ultimate contest to sieze said cities?

Perhaps even more startling is the news about the classes. What MMO doesn't start working on the classes first? That should be priority-one when design starts, particularly since the classes are, obviously, what the customer is going to have the most contact and interaction with during their time in the game.

Most telling of all is when these announcements are being made. Here we are, maybe 2-3 months from the supposed launch, and massive blocks of content are being sliced out. Why wasn't this forseen a year or more ago? Why wasn't the planning in place to build in a launch window to accomodate desired launch goals? We're thirty feet from the finish line, and major pieces are falling off of the car.

This doesn't do much to cultivate confidence in the pit crew.

Originally posted by wjrasmussen

So

Originally posted by TheSheikh

They didn't "lose" any features, they decided to hold off the creation of the other four capitols so that they could spend more time making them into something on the same level as Altdorf / Inevitable City.

The classes were cut because they may have had trouble finding ways to make the new mechanics work, or just spent too much time elsewhere. Regardless there are still 20 classes to choose from.

They did not "cut" and they did not "lose" any features. They are postponing content not until it is fully created but until it looks fantastic. Mark Jacobs will let half-assed classes or cities out at launch.

No, this does not imply that WAR is a game on the road to disaster. It is a game on the road to excellence.

 

 

So I can play a choppa on release? No, that is a cut to me. So, you facts are being distorted a bit. 

Go cut your finger off, tell me what happens.

I obviously meant they were not cut from the game permanently.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Originally posted by PureChaos 

 While it is a let down, the game mechanics dont change because of this.

 

I will to defer to people more familiar with the intricacies of the game on this but how can some races losing their tanks not affect game mechanics?  How can the lose of capital cities, critical elements in RvR, not affect the mechanics of RvR?  This is not the normal cut the high level content as people will not be there for a month or so type thing, the things cut are things that affect all players on day one.

I'm right there with AgtSmith on this. Right there with him on this, this is an alteration of the game mechanics. There will be complications we can't begin to speculate about. My prediction is that the zones that have had their city removed, will also be removed.

Further, we have no idea how long it will take for any of this to be implemented back in. The classes may never come back. We DO know that it will be many months before we see anything, and I doubt it will be everything, else they would have delayed.

 

I dunno, but people who complain about stuff like this, seems to me, indicate their misunderstanding of the creative, much less collaboratively creative process.  Every type of media you enjoy--books, movies, music, games--undergoes tremendous amounts of editing.  Often it winds up nothing like what its' creators intended.  Writers speak of this when they say that characters take on lives of their own.

It should be no surprise that products created for profit--which, face it, most games are--aren't immune to the process.  In fact, often they're made better, for precisely the kinds of reasons the devs mentioned.

Originally posted by Sepulcher

Originally posted by ProfRed

It isn't finished.  They are releasing it early just like every MMO that has ever been released besides to some degree WoW.

They should push it back me thinks, but if they can pull it off bravo.  Otherwise they will get exactly what they put in.

 

LOL:

  2.4 
  Sunwell Plateau 
  Sunwell Isle 
  New Daily Quests 
  And much more 
 
 
 You have traveled through the Dark Portal and braved the perils of Outland; you faced off against the might of the Burning Legion itself, and you prevailed. Now the journey that began with the arrival of the draenei on Azeroth and the blood elves' inclusion into the Horde is about to come full circle as a mighty army gathers to purge evil from one of Azeroth's most important loci of power: the ancient, magical Sunwell.  
 
 

 

  2.3 
  Zul’Aman 
  Guild Banks 
  Faster Leveling to 60 
  And much more 
 
 
 The stronghold of Zul'Aman has stood for millennia as the Amani trolls' seat of power and bastion of the fearless, cunning warlord Zul'jin.
Zul'jin has spent several years plotting behind Zul'Aman's walls. Furious at the Horde for allowing his hated enemies, the blood elves, to join its ranks, he eagerly embraced a scheme that the witch doctor Malacrass recently proposed: to seal the power of the animal gods within the bodies of the Amani's strongest warriors.

Now Zul'Aman's army grows more powerful by the day, hungry to exact vengeance in the name of its fearless leader, Zul'jin.
 
 
 

 

  2.2
  Voice Chat 
  Mac Movie Capture 
 
 
 Azeroth is alive with the sound of voices. For the first time, players are able to talk to each other in game with the use of the new Voice Chat feature. Also in this patch, aspiring moviemakers can now use their Mac to capture all the in-game action and share it with their friends.
 
 
 

 

  2.1
  The Black Temple 
  Druid Epic Flight Form 
  Nether Drake 
  And much more 
 
 
......

 

 

LoL I said to a degree.  They had all their planned classes, and their quests and areas were very polished and fleshed out.  I know there were a lot of bugs, but they delivered for the most part what they were going for close to launch.

I am in no way promoting WoW, but saying it is an anomaly.  I know a lot was missing, but most MMO's are put out unfinished and could not be passed off as a shippable game by any reasonable means.  WoW could, and it is the only one besides maybe LoTRO.  

Way to pick one meaningless part of my post and completely derail the entire post though.  You rock! 

Originally posted by Gazenthia

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Originally posted by PureChaos 

 While it is a let down, the game mechanics dont change because of this.

 

I will to defer to people more familiar with the intricacies of the game on this but how can some races losing their tanks not affect game mechanics?  How can the lose of capital cities, critical elements in RvR, not affect the mechanics of RvR?  This is not the normal cut the high level content as people will not be there for a month or so type thing, the things cut are things that affect all players on day one.

 

I'm right there with AgtSmith on this. Right there with him on this, this is an alteration of the game mechanics. There will be complications we can't begin to speculate about. My prediction is that the zones that have had their city removed, will also be removed.

yeah cause they said when they announced this that you will need to control two areas to attack the capital till they are in.

Further, we have no idea how long it will take for any of this to be implemented back in. The classes may never come back. We DO know that it will be many months before we see anything, and I doubt it will be everything, else they would have delayed.