Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

Whoah! I took a nap and this thread just gained 10 pages of flame...good job SOE, see what you made the players do!!!

Originally posted by alyndale

Originally posted by Dlore

Originally posted by alyndale

Ok Delore what exactly is it that SoE does that you do not care for?  I am really very curious as it has been a very long time since I have seen a "haters" reasons that carried any weight with me.  Sounds to me like lip service.

 Yeah basically, I suppose if there is something that pisses you off about they a gaming company does business you should stay away and in that I respect you.  But, I find it very difficult to respect or fathom anyone with some sort of empty greivence towards a gaming company.

 

Sorry, I got my 360 box for my 5TH repair for my 360 and I had to get it all ready, I guess HATE was a strong term even for me, I do not care for their games because when I played Pre-CU, I was in the protest for the game, about 2/3 of the players joined to protest, they didnt even care for that! I also do not care for them because when I came for my free months, guess what? No friends! NO FRIENDS AT ALL TO PLAY WITH!

 

Dlore how do you know the number of protesters were at 2/3?  When we banter about numbers, we really should have some sort of backup as evidence of proof.  This is why I don't buy into these rants.

Bah, alyndale are you really getting mad because I might have been of by just a few thousand or hundred players?

Or are you made because you cant play SWG Pre-CU because it was too hard and you enjoyed NGE because it was simplier for you? Ever thought of that? Sometimes people get mad over just the darnest things :)

Originally posted by ronan32

 

the reason why the points i have made are the same as others have made is because they are the truth..how many ways can you tell the truth.That's like saying someone who wrote about the world war was just copying someone else's opinion....this just proves my point that you cant come up with a counter argument because all you can do is make childish remarks and say tjings like "i'm not even acknowledging your posts" and make it seem like everyones point is valid except mine...i obviously got to you in some way and your reaction is to try defame my points,  how long have you played vanguard..a week?

please tell me why you think sony are worth defending? is it because you will have no one to play with in vanguard awwww poor baby..vanguard was supposed to be released by mircosoft..microsoft didn't like sigils vision and sony bought the publishing rights to vanguard..they released it too early and thats the reason why the servers are empty

what do i have to lose from playing vanguard for free?

you could have stated what you thought at the begining, not change your argument after someone else makes good points. I don't counterargue yours because I simply counterargue the person that actually said it, as they are the ones that mean it. You are just saying it, not meaning it.

You do realise you're a hypocrite right? You keep saying I make childish remarks, then come out with "is it because you will have no one to play with in vanguard awwww poor baby." ...

I'm not defending them (the point you can't seem to fathom) , I am asking complainers not to hijack other people's threads, and put their 'hate' in the official forum. But yes, I have played Vanguard for 3 weeks now, halfway into my free month, and that alone is reason enough for me to get angry when I see people like you have 'don't by SOE games' in your sig, and posts trying to sway people away from VG.

Microsoft didn't like Sigil's vision, but SOE did...you don't think being able to see a good idea is worth some credit?

from playing VG for free you are going against everything you 'believe' in, although you quite obviously are just saying it because you're embaressed that the only real reason you don't like SOE is beacuse they changed SWG for you. You lose self respect.

Originally posted by Da1e

Originally posted by ronan32

 

the reason why the points i have made are the same as others have made is because they are the truth..how many ways can you tell the truth.That's like saying someone who wrote about the world war was just copying someone else's opinion....this just proves my point that you cant come up with a counter argument because all you can do is make childish remarks and say tjings like "i'm not even acknowledging your posts" and make it seem like everyones point is valid except mine...i obviously got to you in some way and your reaction is to try defame my points,  how long have you played vanguard..a week?

please tell me why you think sony are worth defending? is it because you will have no one to play with in vanguard awwww poor baby..vanguard was supposed to be released by mircosoft..microsoft didn't like sigils vision and sony bought the publishing rights to vanguard..they released it too early and thats the reason why the servers are empty

what do i have to lose from playing vanguard for free?

 

you could have stated what you thought at the begining, not change your argument after someone else makes good points. I don't counterargue yours because I simply counterargue the person that actually said it, as they are the ones that mean it. You are just saying it, not meaning it.

You do realise you're a hypocrite right? You keep saying I make childish remarks, then come out with "is it because you will have no one to play with in vanguard awwww poor baby." ...

I'm not defending them (the point you can't seem to fathom) , I am asking complainers not to hijack other people's threads, and put their 'hate' in the official forum. But yes, I have played Vanguard for 3 weeks now, halfway into my free month, and that alone is reason enough for me to get angry when I see people like you have 'don't by SOE games' in your sig, and posts trying to sway people away from VG.

Microsoft didn't like Sigil's vision, but SOE did...you don't think being able to see a good idea is worth some credit?

from playing VG for free you are going against everything you 'believe' in, although you quite obviously are just saying it because you're embaressed that the only real reason you don't like SOE is beacuse they changed SWG for you. You lose self respect.

well my opinion is my opinion and it doesn't matter what you think.

my points are the same as anyones elses on swg and vanguard because thats how it happend, i dont fabricate the truth like sony

people who play everquest will tell you why they hate sont, i can only tell why i do from my experiences with them and my experience have been the same as most people posting here..

to get through to a child sometimes you have to act childish.

you don't talk about what i said like an adult would do, you just pick parts of my posts and twist it and then add insults.

im not going against everything i believe because im not paying for it.

They did nothing to make the vision become a reality..they just released the game too early to make a quick buck.

i respect the devs from sigil who are working on vanguard to make it a better game, all sony is doing is throwing it a bone now and again.

yet time and time again you give sony the credit for trying to fix vanguard.

if you would like to learn more about the swg fiasco go to this link http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/185392

Originally posted by ronan32

 

well my opinion is my opinion and it doesn't matter what you think.

my points are the same as anyones elses on swg and vanguard because thats how it happend, i dont fabricate the truth like sony

people who play everquest will tell you why they hate sont, i can only tell why i do from my experiences with them and my experience have been the same as most people posting here..

to get through to a child sometimes you have to act childish.

you don't talk about what i said like an adult would do, you just pick parts of my posts and twist it and then add insults.

im not going against everything i believe because im not paying for it.

They did nothing to make the vision become a reality..they just released the game too early to make a quick buck.

i respect the devs from sigil who are working on vanguard to make it a better game, all sony is doing is throwing it a bone now and again.

yet time and time again you give sony the credit for trying to fix vanguard.

 

if you would like to learn more about the swg fiasco go to this link http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/185392

you're primarily annoyed because your game was ruined. There's nothing I, nor you, can do, so you can either cry or get over it. No arguments, it's as simple as that, but if I see you flaming SOE or VG with no basis then I will of course reply accordingly.

I don't heard complainers from EQ actually, I never have, because they have gotten over their game being 'ruined' as you seem to think it has. you however don't realise that moving on is an option, and choose to dwell on the past. I'd be willing to bet that the ethics of the situation doesn't bother you in the slighest.

you're not paying, but you are experiencing.

Throwing a bone every so often? You think Sigil would be making the improvements if they didn't have money? maybe you should be making some anti microsoft threads because they aren't funding it? SOE are trying to fix VG, simple. to get through to a child the best method would take the role of someone that enforces discipline, eg a mother or father, rise above the childishness, not embrace it, so don't try justify your hypocracy.

I have nothing more to say to you regarding this matter. You are a very bitter person, and you are very confused. You don't really even know why you're angry. Maybe you need a good nights sleep.

Originally posted by Dlore

Originally posted by alyndale

Originally posted by Dlore

Originally posted by alyndale

Ok Delore what exactly is it that SoE does that you do not care for?  I am really very curious as it has been a very long time since I have seen a "haters" reasons that carried any weight with me.  Sounds to me like lip service.

 Yeah basically, I suppose if there is something that pisses you off about they a gaming company does business you should stay away and in that I respect you.  But, I find it very difficult to respect or fathom anyone with some sort of empty greivence towards a gaming company.

 

Sorry, I got my 360 box for my 5TH repair for my 360 and I had to get it all ready, I guess HATE was a strong term even for me, I do not care for their games because when I played Pre-CU, I was in the protest for the game, about 2/3 of the players joined to protest, they didnt even care for that! I also do not care for them because when I came for my free months, guess what? No friends! NO FRIENDS AT ALL TO PLAY WITH!

 

Dlore how do you know the number of protesters were at 2/3?  When we banter about numbers, we really should have some sort of backup as evidence of proof.  This is why I don't buy into these rants.

Bah, alyndale are you really getting mad because I might have been of by just a few thousand or hundred players?

Or are you made because you cant play SWG Pre-CU because it was too hard and you enjoyed NGE because it was simplier for you? Ever thought of that? Sometimes people get mad over just the darnest things :)

Hmmm, do my words really sound like words of anger?  If you have been following some of the many posts I have thus far on this worn out topic, I think you'll see that it's not really anger, but more annoyance than anything else.  Simply repeating the same thing over and over agin doesn't necassarily prove anything to me.  I was out of the loop so to speak when it came to SWG, but have played EQ 2, therefore I have had dealing with people from SoE.

What I simply ask for here is some data for me to gain a bit of knowledge on why all this anger over a game?  thus far it's been nothing more than talk and I have seen these posts on this forum now for just about 2 years. 

If you can't help me with a link to an archived forum or even official documents the show there were some impropriety on the game in question, then possibly I might understand and might even be inclined to symphatize, but all i read are empty words of thoughtless anger from many.

Originally posted by Zorgo

I approach the anti-SOE crowd with a different take.

In many many ways the arguments against SOE are legit. They are a big heartless profit grubbing business. That does motivate them to do 'underhanded' things in an attempt to make money. That does leave some people cold.

However, in the grand scheme of this world, could what SOE be doing concidered true evil? An evil which demands the type of retaliation, rebellion and antiestablishmentarianism that the anti-SOE brigade has staged?

It all boils down to this, SOE makes games. Games! Potentially there is no other product on the market more frivolous and unecessary in our lives. By definition, video games are pure escapism.

The oddest part about the anti-SOE crowd is the cause for which they fight so hard. For their 'video games'. A GAME!

There are people who daily post the evils of SOE. While they are wearing shoes that took a job from an American and put it into the hands of an oppressed 3rd world child. Double whammy, unpatriotic and encourging child labor. At the same time they are sipping on a Soda whose parent company sold fake drugs to pregnant mothers in 3rd world countries and caused irreversable physical birth defects. Not to mention that the computer's desk was built out of metal from a factory that knowingly puts employees at risk, and even figures in death benefits in its early plan because the check to OSHA would be cheaper than upgrading to safe work conditions. I won't even tell you what happened to the cow in the slaughter house before you got that fast food sitting next to the keyboard (and no I'm not vegetarian).

So essentially, what pisses me off about the anti-SOE crowd is that they have worked so hard to end an evil that is soooooo low on the priority list for most conscience consumers.

If everyone who had posted about the evils of SOE had spent that same amount of time trying to protest ACTUAL consumer evils, they could have actually made a difference.

Now the other interesting phenomenon is how these people don't transfer their aggression in an equitable way.

Ford Thunderbird was one of the coolest cars in the 50s and 60s. Ford f'd it all up in the 70s, 80s and 90s. It's back to being cool now, but have you ever seen an 83 T-bird? Good God. Ford took a great product, but because it wasn't selling as well as they hoped, they changed the body style. Sounds like SWG right? Well, how many of you spent 3 decades 'banning' Ford for the design choice they made? To people blog daily about how Ford is the most evil empire of all time for changing their cars on a regular basis? Nope, but SOE doesn't escape with the same fate by a long shot.

Yet every day companies pull the old bait and switch just like happened to SWG. As people are posting and blogging about the evils of SOE, that person is probably surrounded by a miriad of consumer products that had been altered and changed in an attempt to maximize profit. Yet all of these fly right under the radar. The SOE hater would never spend as much time flaming Ford for doing the exact same crap to their cars that SOE does to their games.

It really seems like the longest temper tantrum in the history of the world, because someone took your toy away.

Or another way of putting it: the longest cry over spilled milk in the history of the world. 'Don't cry over spilled milk'. It's an interesting saying. Inherent in the statement is that 'something bad happened', i.e. the milk spilled. Milk is good. It spilling isn't. The consequences are dire - you won't enjoy that tasty beverage. Actual bad stuff came out of spilling the milk - there was a mess to clean up. This is true of SOE and SWG also. The milk was spilled, we didn't get to enjoy the tasty beverage, and no one has still adequatel dealt with the clean up. However - the saying also teaches us to LET IT GO!. Yes it was bad, yes, it made a mess but THERE IS NO USE CRYING OVER IT. When bad things happen, the only useful thing is to be strong and move on.

It is a saying that divides adults and children. It is a phrase that divides the mature from the immature. The next time you want to tirade against  SOE, ask yourself, how long should one cry over the spilled milk? At a certain point, the milk goes sour. The mature adult moves on - without crying, knowing that there are other glasses of milk for the future.

I think of the Roman quote (poorly paraphrasing here) "Just give them their bread and circuses and the government can do anything it wants".

You folks are so worried about the loss of your bread and circuses, that the real problems of the world are passing right by you without notice. Just like the machine wants.

This is very well done Zorgo! Bravo!  I truly enjoyed reading this one.  Now, if some of these folks that seems have nothing better to do than to bash game-making companies would just off and play a game or two, or better yet spend some quality time with the fam, maybe they'd just kinda let all fade to the past.