Originally posted by felix77

Wow your funny, both were out long before WoW. Lineage 2 about a year before. They also have more real subs then WoW. In Asia they are actually monthly subs and not game time cards that WoW counts as subs. You buy one hour and they count you for a year as a sub lol. WoWs going down in the west, but due to AOC and WAR. Then not long after they will be released in Asia.

WoW did what no other game was doing at the time, It took a well known franchise and combined it with accessibility for players.

Unlike Lineage and Lineage 2, there was no grinding for half a year until you were at a competitive level. WoW gave something for everyone to do low or high level and made the leveling to 60 and 70 not feel like a grind, but actually enjoyable. That is a major part of its success.

I used to play Lineage 1 for 3 years, Lineage 2 for 1, and WoW for nearly 3. I quit Lineage 1 for Lineage 2 and Lineage 2 for WoW. I quit WoW because for a player who is centered on PvP it is lacking. Furthermore Blizzards style of lets release a new tier of gear every patch instead of focusing on other elements or balancing gear to not make one set absolute did not appeal to me.

Personally, I believe in term of losing subscriber base Blizzard has nothing to fear from any upcoming MMO, not even WAR or AOC, Bliz has their subscriber base locked down and loyal to the game, where they will not even care about any new MMO coming out.

Originally posted by DZverev

 

Originally posted by felix77

Wow your funny, both were out long before WoW. Lineage 2 about a year before. They also have more real subs then WoW. In Asia they are actually monthly subs and not game time cards that WoW counts as subs. You buy one hour and they count you for a year as a sub lol. WoWs going down in the west, but due to AOC and WAR. Then not long after they will be released in Asia.

I'm sorry, but denying the extreme success of WoW is foolish and ignorant.

 

WoW did what no other game was doing at the time, It took a well known franchise and combined it with accessibility for players.

Unlike Lineage and Lineage 2, there was no grinding for half a year until you were at a competitive level. WoW gave something for everyone to do low or high level and made the leveling to 60 and 70 not feel like a grind, but actually enjoyable. That is a major part of its success.

I used to play Lineage 1 for 3 years, Lineage 2 for 1, and WoW for nearly 3. I quit Lineage 1 for Lineage 2 and Lineage 2 for WoW. I quit WoW because for a player who is centered on PvP it is lacking. Furthermore Blizzards style of lets release a new tier of gear every patch instead of focusing on other elements or balancing gear to not make one set absolute did not appeal to me.

Personally, I believe in term of losing subscriber base Blizzard has nothing to fear from any upcoming MMO, not even WAR or AOC, Bliz has their subscriber base locked down and loyal to the game, where they will not even care about any new MMO coming out.

I'm with ya on that. War or AOC is about all we have to look forward to yet, that seems or even sounds promising. I'm glad that AOC is "adult oriented" though, if nothing else.

Originally posted by DZverev

 

Originally posted by felix77

Wow your funny, both were out long before WoW. Lineage 2 about a year before. They also have more real subs then WoW. In Asia they are actually monthly subs and not game time cards that WoW counts as subs. You buy one hour and they count you for a year as a sub lol. WoWs going down in the west, but due to AOC and WAR. Then not long after they will be released in Asia.

I'm sorry, but denying the extreme success of WoW is foolish and ignorant.

 

WoW did what no other game was doing at the time, It took a well known franchise and combined it with accessibility for players.

Unlike Lineage and Lineage 2, there was no grinding for half a year until you were at a competitive level. WoW gave something for everyone to do low or high level and made the leveling to 60 and 70 not feel like a grind, but actually enjoyable. That is a major part of its success.

I used to play Lineage 1 for 3 years, Lineage 2 for 1, and WoW for nearly 3. I quit Lineage 1 for Lineage 2 and Lineage 2 for WoW. I quit WoW because for a player who is centered on PvP it is lacking. Furthermore Blizzards style of lets release a new tier of gear every patch instead of focusing on other elements or balancing gear to not make one set absolute did not appeal to me.

Personally, I believe in term of losing subscriber base Blizzard has nothing to fear from any upcoming MMO, not even WAR or AOC, Bliz has their subscriber base locked down and loyal to the game, where they will not even care about any new MMO coming out.

  I'm not denying that WoW has millions of subs. They do, they have less monthly then Lineage at it's peak. All Asian countries buy WoW in game time cards. Hourly cards. So how much do you think a person has to buy before they are counted? Yes I do think they inflate their numbers. In every country. But especially in Asia where any amount of time purchased can be counted. The ignorance is just not knowing their Asian sub model. Lineage actually had 6 million monthly subs. WoW might have beeten that but not by nearly as much as they claim.

Originally posted by felix77

Originally posted by DZverev

 

Originally posted by felix77

Wow your funny, both were out long before WoW. Lineage 2 about a year before. They also have more real subs then WoW. In Asia they are actually monthly subs and not game time cards that WoW counts as subs. You buy one hour and they count you for a year as a sub lol. WoWs going down in the west, but due to AOC and WAR. Then not long after they will be released in Asia.

I'm sorry, but denying the extreme success of WoW is foolish and ignorant.

 

WoW did what no other game was doing at the time, It took a well known franchise and combined it with accessibility for players.

Unlike Lineage and Lineage 2, there was no grinding for half a year until you were at a competitive level. WoW gave something for everyone to do low or high level and made the leveling to 60 and 70 not feel like a grind, but actually enjoyable. That is a major part of its success.

I used to play Lineage 1 for 3 years, Lineage 2 for 1, and WoW for nearly 3. I quit Lineage 1 for Lineage 2 and Lineage 2 for WoW. I quit WoW because for a player who is centered on PvP it is lacking. Furthermore Blizzards style of lets release a new tier of gear every patch instead of focusing on other elements or balancing gear to not make one set absolute did not appeal to me.

Personally, I believe in term of losing subscriber base Blizzard has nothing to fear from any upcoming MMO, not even WAR or AOC, Bliz has their subscriber base locked down and loyal to the game, where they will not even care about any new MMO coming out.

  I'm not denying that WoW has millions of subs. They do, they have less monthly then Lineage at it's peak. All Asian countries buy WoW in game time cards. Hourly cards. So how much do you think a person has to buy before they are counted? Yes I do think they inflate their numbers. In every country. But especially in Asia where any amount of time purchased can be counted. The ignorance is just not knowing their Asian sub model. Lineage actually had 6 million monthly subs. WoW might have beeten that but not by nearly as much as they claim.

That's exactly what you are doing. You are living in denial when you expound these falsities without one shred of proof. If it could be proven that WOW fudged their numbers even marginally don't  you think it would have been proven by now? So you have no proof of it just a feeling. Well welcome to the world of conspiracy theorist. You get a free tin foil hat with membership.

Dead on Thorn.

Wow should be pretty evident in how widespread it is and how well known. It is just a well executed game that has sucked in many people because it's a pretty good game. Some of us however get tired of the way the game plays because you can only grind for so long and then leave.

The big difference though is that the social community is so vibrant because of the enormous userbase that such a thing creates its own popularity. I mean this game makes headlines, news, all the time. It's like its own celebrity as it is the first game in a long time to be almost uniformly interesting to anyone who dares play a game at all (and the first game in a long while that has up to date/smartly done graphics that didn't have a very high ceiling for gameplay requirements).

Even if they made up some of their numbers which I doubt (as they can be sued and things in the states if they intentionally made up numbers and who wouldn't sue a huge corporation for cash?), the fact of how widespread it is says a lot. I mean seriously, people know of world of warcraft in the same way they know of Microsoft. It's just everywhere. I know people that haven't played games in years that still know it by name due to news/media coverage.

Yet lineage, although I know of it, I don't think has ever made coverage and/or just isn't the same. Lineage is a grind in the more annoying sense. It is as we call a "typical chinese mmogrind". Sorry, but it is.

Originally posted by felix77 

  I'm not denying that WoW has millions of subs. They do, they have less monthly then Lineage at it's peak. All Asian countries buy WoW in game time cards. Hourly cards. So how much do you think a person has to buy before they are counted? Yes I do think they inflate their numbers. In every country. But especially in Asia where any amount of time purchased can be counted. The ignorance is just not knowing their Asian sub model. Lineage actually had 6 million monthly subs. WoW might have beeten that but not by nearly as much as they claim.

Felix,  NCSoft publishes their subscription numbers in the quarterly reports and last I saw, Lineage is no where near 6 million monthly subscribers, nor is Lineage II and still not close even if you combine them.  Where do you get this 6 million subscriber figure from?

On the other hand blizzard claims about 4.5 million North America/European monthly subscribers and 5.5 million for the rest of the world (I have no idea how many other regions it is sold in).  If someone pays for time, even just a little bit, that still makes that account an active subscription.  Unless you are suggesting there is a minimum amount of time someone must play a month they count just as much as the next person who pays money to play the game, just like anywhere else in the world?

Korean game usually = god-awful grind.

Also I couldn't find any game play videos, just a bunch of trailers which are completely useless in telling one if a game is worth looking at or not.

This games graphics looks exactly the same as WOW so graphics wise WOW is not doomed but the graphics system looks real good. To be honest i still think that WOW is still in lead and with the Lich King coming soon i think this game has got some catching up to do.

(excuse my spelling)

Prius Art

This game looks like it is a WoW type game, down to the graphics.   They have like 7 classes, and 3 or 4 races.   Looks interesting enough.   I think it is in closed beta 2 right now.   Don't see anything mentioned about an english version unfortuantely.

I don't get why people go on and on about how such-and-such game is going to be the WoW killer - or the <insert current-generation super-successful MMORPG here>, or whatever.

EverQuest is still somewhat alive - perhaps not nearly what it was BEFORE, but it's still alive. It's still running. It's still profitable enough to keep it going.

World of Warcraft topped it, but it didn't kill it - and whatever tops World of Warcraft probably won't kill it, either. I expect both World of Warcraft and the original EverQuest will still be floating around making money long after World of Warcraft 2 gets thrown out there by Blizzard.

Now, mind you... I WANT something that just totally blows WoW out of the water. It is the McDonalds of MMORPGs - I like it, but I know we could have better. But even if the best MMO ever is created in the next four years, WoW will almost certainly still be chuggin' along with a decent playerbase.

Originally posted by Teala

 

Prius Art

This game looks like it is a WoW type game, down to the graphics.   They have like 7 classes, and 3 or 4 races.   Looks interesting enough.   I think it is in closed beta 2 right now.   Don't see anything mentioned about an english version unfortuantely.

ps. I pray this comes out in english in the US! For some reason it also reminds me of PSO in a way. The Anima being your MAG and well I dunno it just does ^^;

why did u even mention WoW.

the only reason i hate wow so badly is cus of char custom. they should make the characters look more nicer not all look like beasts.

well back to the topic. the game looks good. char looks nice. looks like u can move and attack at the same time. im not sure about the last sentence. if u can, then the griding wont be bad. also u cant compare it to other games yet since we dont know anything about it.

the only thing we know about this game, is its fighting style, we havent even seen the skills.

It's a Korean Grinder? I'll pass thank you, I had enough of that from FFXI and that was japanese, not Korean, and if it has an item shop like most korean MMO's then I know I definetely won't be playing. Looks pretty, but I could never support a game that thinks item shops and grinds, instead of FUN are ok.

I have been playing wow since 2004 (on and off ) it gets boring fast,so i usually play after patches and expansions ,but what Im here to say is that most wow players (at least from my experience) never played another mmorpg before , i would guess like 70% of them, the game is good but with all the hype and money they are making which they in turn invest in advertising makes it hard for a game to beat it any time soon (even if the game is 20X better).

I have played many mmorpgs since ultima online, and i think if there is a company that can beat blizzard, theres a great chance that this company will be Mythic, ncsoft have not made any real games that impressed me, turbine just doest appeal to the main stream, soe has the worst custumer service ever and their best game is not main stream ,since  eq and eq2 are more rpg/pve based , wow appeals to a  broad scale of people since its easy to pick up and play it has alot of pve content and a decent ammount of pvp,and they always add more content (mostly items to hook people into reaching for the next set of armor ,which can become quite addicting) the game also can run on most of the computers and not just gaming machines, all those factors makes the wow player market really broad which in turn yields  tons of players. The massive ammount of players that wow has does not make it the best game, its just a really good game that appeals to  a broad range of people .

In my opinion eq and finalfantasy have better rpg/pve aspects than wow and eve online has a better pvp and crafting system and i believe warhammer will too . I think wow has already lost in those categories, wow is not the best game ,its just a really good all around game but subscription wise i dont think anyone will be touching the crown any time soon.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Anytime someone says a game will "defeat" WOW usually means its going to suck in epic proportions. 

 

 

BAM! QFT!

Originally posted by sainthate
hell yeah WoW players are compose of Gold Sellers and Gold bot farmers

And exactly what MMORPG does not contain bots and gold sellers?

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by sainthate
hell yeah WoW players are compose of Gold Sellers and Gold bot farmers

 

And exactly what MMORPG does not contain bots and gold sellers?

Originally posted by sainthate

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by sainthate
hell yeah WoW players are compose of Gold Sellers and Gold bot farmers

 

And exactly what MMORPG does not contain bots and gold sellers?

perfectworld.levelupgames.ph no gold spammers no bot farmers :)

No bot farmers. Thats true. You know why?

www.mmotaku.com/2008/01/18/bots-found-in-perfect-world-philippines-server/

Who needs bots, when a coin can do the trick?

And you can buy PW currency from the usual sites (Which I won't name here for obvious reasons). Which means it WILL be advertised in some way or another ingame.

Seriously, which MMORPG does NOT contain bots or goldsellers? Try again.

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by sainthate

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by sainthate
hell yeah WoW players are compose of Gold Sellers and Gold bot farmers

 

And exactly what MMORPG does not contain bots and gold sellers?

perfectworld.levelupgames.ph no gold spammers no bot farmers :)

 

No bot farmers. Thats true. You know why?

www.mmotaku.com/2008/01/18/bots-found-in-perfect-world-philippines-server/

Who needs bots, when a coin can do the trick?

And you can buy PW currency from the usual sites (Which I won't name here for obvious reasons). Which means it WILL be advertised in some way or another ingame.

Seriously, which MMORPG does NOT contain bots or goldsellers? Try again.