Please stop feeding the troll, people. It only encourages it to post more pointless insults and meaningless argumentation.

This thread should've died off a long time ago.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Revthought

As for the other garbage you're spewing here. First I don't agree that POS warfare is "garbage." I do agree that there are some issues with game balance relating to POSes and soveriegnty, but you're saying something much stronger than I.   not talking about sovereignty.  talking about blobbing being the way you take out a pos.  talking about boring as hell sieging of pos.  talking about any type of activity requiring blobbing to accomplish a map changing goal.  talking about blobbing destroying game play because game mechanics cause you to blob to do "stuff".   i've been incredibly plain spoken in this.

Second what do I define as balance? Well if you bothered to read my other posts in this thread you'd have taken note of the things that ALL MMO companies do in constantly updating and balancing their games.  but i dance around answers????????????  really, so if i sit here and stare at a screen on which i can see nothing on eve at all -- explain, using the tiny engrishes how that is a balance issue.  how is it that game mechanics force you to blob; but fixing that problem is a balance issue?  are the blobs overpowered?  are the (now buffed) pos overpowered?  what is being balanced?

And before you tell me I'm wrong about what balance is, I will remind you that I spent two years working for a major MMO company doing game design for a major MMO. vanguard and then tabula rasa eh?    I'm quite certain I'm in a better position than you are to determine the boundaries of the category "game balancing" in respect to MMO implimentation and development. i'm the pope.  prove i'm not.  cuz that's the argument you're using on me, so i call shenanigans on your "i'm a dev", you still haven't defined balance in a way that makes any bloody sense.  is this that classic fallback argument of "i dunno wut imma talkin bout, so imma make up crazy stuff and sound impo tant?"

The rest of what you've said is really incomprehensible. What the hell are you talking about? Buffing and blowing crap like "I like the taste of your tears?" Did you learn your argumentation style from the school of 5th grade lunch time? you just proved you've never stepped out of high sec.  s'ok, i'm sure an itty bitty bug will bee buzzing by you in your safe 1.0 soon.  as askaninja says, "i look forward to kiling you soon!" omg omg omg 

yeah, askaninja is a red herring, but they do have black, just not yellow.

see, when people dispute facts, i can bee-come silly with it.  don't let all that buzzing around your head bee a reason to confuse facts with what bee not real.

I'd also like to point out that the only person who seems to be whining and crying about anything here is you.  again, it's my fault that you're in a corp that only has 20 people and can't muster a 1000 folks to fight?

"Eve sucks!"

"Pos warfare sucks"

"The devs say so!!!"

"What do you mean you want me to support what I say!! I don't have to!"

Kthnxbyedrivethrough.

S

 

Damian,

1. You aren't talking about the soveriegnty system, you're talking about blobing? You change your mind so many times that its really hard to keep track of what you're talking about.

Blobing, or the getting together of large fleets to acomplish certain goals, is part of the game.

You don't like that you have to get together large fleets to make map altering advances in the game? What would you propose instead? That an alliance should be allowed to dispute anothers territory with 2 or 3 guys in frigates? Maybe in Battleships? What exactly should be required to "take space."

This kind of thing is classic game balance. These a questions that developers try and cope with at all stages of a games implimentation and life. If you don't like the choices the devs have made so far, that's fine. Don't play eve, or go offer your thoughts in the game development forum of eve-online.

You might be surprised because CCP actually, pays attention to the community. However, if CCP doesn't change the game exactly how you want it, don't be surprised either. The people making the game know a hell of a lot more about their game, and game design, than you do.

So don't be insulted and claim the game is broken because it doesn't meet your standards.

2. The staring at your screen seeing nothing bit (I'll assume you're talking dysnc and lag here) is a server load issue. So you're right, that's not game balancing. The problem for you is, that every game in existence has this same problem. Sorry.

Other companies "solve" this problem by instancing and zoning. In eve they have multiple level zoning, but once you get over a hundred people in a zone, you've got a load problem. To my knowledge this cannot be fixed really without changing what eve is.

If you want a sandbox game where you can have 150 on 150 fights at all... you've got to live with it. If that's too much for you, great, don't play eve. I actually give CCP kudos for mimizing dysnc issues as much as they have considering.

3. No, I never worked for Sigil, and I'm not from the UK. I cannot actually tell you what game(s) I worked on, in the off chance I ever want to work in the video game industry again (I quit to pursue a Phd in Political Science).

Its just not worth it to reveal my "identity" when discussing game design, because you never know who is reading this and how that will effect you in the future. Plain as that.

3. Hahahaha! Now you're complaining that I'm not providing you proof I am a "dev!" What did you say, "smart people find the evidence themselves?" :-) Now perhaps you're understanding a bit why you look like a muppet saying stuff like "eve devs say their game sucks in the dev blogs, but I don't have a link."

Regardless, I have a few things to say here. First, I am no longer a "dev" on any game. I left the video game industry in 2006 to pursue a graduate degree.

Second, me talking about my background should not be read as an appeal to my own authority. All I am trying to do is provide you with a little background. Take it or leave it, its up to you.

On a personal level though, after having worked on 2 MMOs and 6 console titles I find it amusing when you try to assert that new player experience, competitiveness (essentialyl xp gain,) and pvp mechanics are not balance issues.

They certainly are, and for that matter, it doesn't take ANY experience making video games to intuit that.

4. I think you've just proved that you've never stepped out of high-sec if I read you correctly. Are you saying that low-sec is filled with pirates talking about "tasting your tears?" If so, that's totally ridiculous. You're spending way too much time in CAOD and Crime and Punishment if you think that's what low-sec is like.

The last fight I was in went sort of like this.

"gf"

"gf, sorry I had you damped like that"

"Hehe np I had sentries too"

"That doesn't help any"

"Nope"

"I left some stuff in your can that I couldn't carry"

"cheers"

"np I'm sure that you'll be able to do the same for me sometime"

"most likely :-)"

4. The whole "bee" thing. So you are a goon? You're a member of the SA retard squad that intentionally tries to disrupt EVE and once tried to sue CCP. I now suddenly understand your constant negativity and your continuos non-sense here. I suggest everyone go to the EVE forums and read the Corporation Alliance Organization Discussion forums. Look for people in goonswarm. Damian's behavior will suddenly have context.

5. What does the size of my corp have to do with anything at all? Nothing. More nonsense from you.

6. Finally, knowing that you are straight from the SA puts you in complete context for me. I can now, and I was close already, completely dismiss anything that you say. You are a waste of everyone's time both here and in any other forum you might spam, so this conversation is over.

-S

Originally posted by Revthought

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by Revthought

 

 

Damian,

1. You aren't talking about the soveriegnty system, you're talking about blobing? You change your mind so many times that its really hard to keep track of what you're talking about.  quote where i said "oh the time it takes to get whatever level of sovereignty, or the benefits you gain, suck".  didn't.   to take a system, you have to take POS, right?  to take pos, you just solo them, right?

Blobing, or the getting together of large fleets to acomplish certain goals, is part of the game. exactly.  that's exactly what i've said.  it's a major part of the game, and it's broken.  please do try to condescend, you're making such wonderful points.

You don't like that you have to get together large fleets to make map altering advances in the game? What would you propose instead? That an alliance should be allowed to dispute anothers territory with 2 or 3 guys in frigates? Maybe in Battleships? What exactly should be required to "take space."  you already said you don't do this.  why are you talking about it?  the problem is that a basic game mechanic is BROKEN.  did you read the lil paste from *gasp* devs, where they said they were trying XYZ to break up blobing?  attackable parts, bombs, etc.. all attempts to break up blobbing, because blobbing is the only way to accomplish a goal.  you're doing a horrible job of trying to prove i'm lost and/or wrong.

This kind of thing is classic game balance. These a questions that developers try and cope with at all stages of a games implimentation and life. If you don't like the choices the devs have made so far, that's fine. Don't play eve, or go offer your thoughts in the game development forum of eve-online.  you don't participate in this stuff, remember?  you have no say from practical experience and your input based upon what voices have told you - is kinda not helpful.

You might be surprised because CCP actually, pays attention to the community. However, if CCP doesn't change the game exactly how you want it, don't be surprised either. The people making the game know a hell of a lot more about their game, and game design, than you do. zomgwtfbbqsauceonabloodystick.  yes, if you read what i've typed, they ARE changing the game, A LOT, in order to try to fix crap that is broken.  not balancing anything.  the system is broken.  if two opposing sides field fleets and those fleets destroy the system and the winner isn't determined by anything but incredibly dumb luck (and maybe a couple of folks who could actually participate in the fight); then, that is not a BALANCE issue.  it is BROKEN.

So don't be insulted and claim the game is broken because it doesn't meet your standards.  you're right, i want to be able to PLAY the game.  my standard is that the game is PLAYABLE in order to accomplish a well-established ingame goal of either taking or defending space.  YES, my incredibly high standard is that the game be playable.  what was i thinking?  i should gladly pay a monthly sub so i can stare at a blank screen.  you have totally won that point.  what WAS i thinking??

2. The staring at your screen seeing nothing bit (I'll assume you're talking dysnc and lag here) is a server load issue. So you're right, that's not game balancing. The problem for you is, that every game in existence has this same problem. Sorry.  ok, let's try to proceed logically now. i know it's asking a lot.  why does blobbing occur?  because of GAME MECHANICS, you are required to blob in order to take out a POS, right?  you have to have support fleet, you have to have "the big guns".  now, the enemy, will they just allow you to attack their POS?  or will they try to defend it?  this... this is game mechanics, this is not balancing.  in order to fix this, the *gasp* devs, have introduced bombs (didn't help), attackable parts instead of just the whole thing (hmm, wonder if that worked...)  how exactly is that a definition of balance?  buffing up POS to the point of being a 'death star', that could be balancing, that could also be an attempt to break up blobs.  the other two?  bombs were added with the intention of discouraging blobs.  making parts attackable was done so that small groups could have a sense of accomplishment.  unfortunately, people would rather *no way* take over space, than just harass an enemy.

Other companies "solve" this problem by instancing and zoning. In eve they have multiple level zoning, but once you get over a hundred people in a zone, you've got a load problem. To my knowledge this cannot be fixed really without changing what eve is.  which is why it is NOT a balance issue.  are you getting this now?  i'm willing to bet when i continue to read i go "nope not getting it still"

If you want a sandbox game where you can have 150 on 150 fights at all... you've got to live with it. If that's too much for you, great, don't play eve. I actually give CCP kudos for mimizing dysnc issues as much as they have considering. again, you're talking about something you don't participate in.  but i'm glad you have an opinion about it.  try it, then i'll consider putting some weight to your words.

3. No, I never worked for Sigil, and I'm not from the UK. I cannot actually tell you what game(s) I worked on, in the off chance I ever want to work in the video game industry again (I quit to pursue a Phd in Political Science).  um, grats?  don't care, really didn't, but from your replies, i figured it had to be a train wreck of a place, or fictional.

Its just not worth it to reveal my "identity" when discussing game design, because you never know who is reading this and how that will effect you in the future. Plain as that. great, still don't care.

3. Hahahaha! Now you're complaining that I'm not providing you proof I am a "dev!" What did you say, "smart people find the evidence themselves?" :-) Now perhaps you're understanding a bit why you look like a muppet saying stuff like "eve devs say their game sucks in the dev blogs, but I don't have a link."  missed the big pasted section about "oh noes" did you?  still? really?

Regardless, I have a few things to say here. First, I am no longer a "dev" on any game. I left the video game industry in 2006 to pursue a graduate degree. um, grats again?  still don't care.

Second, me talking about my background should not be read as an appeal to my own authority. All I am trying to do is provide you with a little background. Take it or leave it, its up to you. yaay, "i'm smert" (smert intentional) statements to back up your lack of participating in this portion of the game, in order to be an authority on something you've never done.  alrighty then.

On a personal level though, after having worked on 2 MMOs and 6 console titles I find it amusing when you try to assert that new player experience, competitiveness (essentialyl xp gain,) and pvp mechanics are not balance issues.  orly?  

They certainly are, and for that matter, it doesn't take ANY experience making video games to intuit that. orly?

4. I think you've just proved that you've never stepped out of high-sec if I read you correctly. orly?  you're right, we're in the process of taking out our second station in jita, and will soon control jita completely.  if only all this blobbing would stop slowing us down in our jita conquest.  Are you saying that low-sec is filled with pirates talking about "tasting your tears?" no, this was directed pretty much towards you, because the tears you're gushing out are pretty tasty If so, that's totally ridiculous. You're spending way too much time in CAOD and Crime and Punishment if you think that's what low-sec is like. i lost a hauler once, in low sec, to this guy in a REALLY big ship who did this smart bomb thingie.  was that enough punishment for me?  if so, please start making sense, because i'm going to pee soon if you don't.  i watched 'bones' last night, the bones chick was talking to this arrogant fellow, she made a comment like, "you like to use your superiour intellect to make you feel above others and better than everyone, so you can be in control of the situation.  it won't work with me.  i'm smarter than you."

The last fight I was in went sort of like this.

"gf"

"gf, sorry I had you damped like that"

"Hehe np I had sentries too"

"That doesn't help any"

"Nope"

"I left some stuff in your can that I couldn't carry"

"cheers"

"np I'm sure that you'll be able to do the same for me sometime"

"most likely :-)"  there's duels in eve?  in 1.0?  that's crazy talk.  does that intimate that you're not always in high sec?  i'm so utterly impressed.  just like the bones chick last night.

4. The whole "bee" thing. So you are a goon? You're a member of the SA retard squad that intentionally tries to disrupt EVE and once tried to sue CCP. most goons hate goons. I now suddenly understand whoa, this is a first, let's see if you do understand or just out in left field here. your constant negativity and your continuos non-sense here nope, left field.  i'm very pro eve, i'm very (for the fifth time in as many days) anti-ignorant/delusional/stupid.  i'm quite anti weaksauce also.. I suggest everyone go to the EVE forums and read the Corporation Alliance Organization Discussion forums. Look for people in goonswarm. Damian's behavior will suddenly have context. or watch barney.  that's what i'm comparing this discussion to -- trying to explain something technical to a big purple dinosaur.

5. What does the size of my corp have to do with anything at all? Nothing. More nonsense from you.  we're talking about blobbing, POS warfare, things of this nature.  you don't participate in these activiities in game.  you have said this.  but you're presenting yourself as an expert on this topic.  why?  by god, if YOU'RE not a goon.  you probably are.  you're one of the goons that everyone likes to blow up, aren't you?  go on, fess up.

6. Finally, knowing that you are straight from the SA puts you in complete context for me. weird, i can list a plethora of corps that started in eve and then joined the goons because, well, the alternative sucked. I can now, and I was close already, completely dismiss anything that you say. good thing, logic just isn't your cup of tea. You are a waste of everyone's time both here and in any other forum you might spam, so this conversation is over. i am SO glad i didn't read this post before hitting the reply and making stuff red.  you made me spit soda as i perused this section.  seriously, i hope you saw bones last night, you're that guy that got whacked in jail after the bones chick put him in his place.

-Silly? Sucker? Stoo? Snicker? Schnukum?

beware young jedi, the weaksauce is strong in this thread.

hey everyone, i've never built a titan, but i'm going to find some titan building threads and tell them how they're all doing it wrong because i, from a 'never having done it standpoint' have an opinion on that topic and i WILL be heard and i WILL be right (in my own mind).

sooooooooo, someone start a titan thread for me please, i want to own it, like i was just served in this thread.  mmmmmmm mmmmmmm i loves being served.  i'd like hot rolls next time though, not just lukewarm weaksauced ones.  mmmkay?

Originally posted by Xennith

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by Xennith

it is important to listen to what jimmy says. he played eve for 3 months and didnt pvp. so we should take his opinion as gospel truth.

Thats my point exactly. I am a prime example of a noob in Eve. 3 months and im not much beter (PvP vise) then when I started. Thanks for proving my point.

 

you played for three months and have learnt nothing about pvp?

what the hell did you do for three months?

Did mining, lots of it. Went as far as mining in 0.5, but not further. Did some manufacturing. Did lots of missions and just plain rat grinding. Couple of times i was jumped by someone who (I think) was trying to kill me, but I warped out asap because I didnt know how to PvP and couldn't afford to replace my ship if I get wasted.

I dont mind PvP, but only when i know what im doing. I simply didnt have a chance to PvP on fair terms.

Originally posted by nurgles

Originally posted by jimmyman99

Originally posted by nurgles
...snip..

 

Thnx! Great info.

My biggest worry in PvP was escape. What skill do I need to escape warp jamming if tings turn sour?

 

warp jamming require cap, so drain their cap. not so simple if you are in frig.

the other way is distance. Jamming has a limit by distance,  2pnt scrams have 7.5 km range, T2 has 9km. I pnt disrupters, have 20km range, and 24km for T2, not sure if they get a range bonus on overheating (+20%), but some intercepters get a bonus to range on warp jammers. seems one of these inties can scram out to almost 35km. (for a limited time). the other problem is they move fast. that is the specialist scramming ship though.

then there are interdictors (bubbles in 0.0) and heavy interdictors (bubbles in 0.0, infinite opoints in low sec). and then there are anchoed bubbles (only in 0.0).

so underlying it, the answer to your question is, it depends where you are and what you are facing along with how they are fitted.

If someone has to target you and then activate a module, then a small signature and fast warp is good. if it is a bubble then you have to MWD your way out of it, or back to the gate, or cloak and be flying a covert ops frig or recon.

Flying methods are to use a sniper (only really is effective in gangs) so you always stay out of tackle range, or fly nano setup shisps (usually speed tanked T2 cruisers) that stay on the edge of the best takle range, have some dps, and enough speed to get out of takle rage to run away.

before you plan to escape, i really would suggest you learn to tackle in something cheap and be willing to die lots. it is the best way to really learn the mechanics.

another tip, of your ship is going down and you are scrammed (not in a bubble) pick a celestial object (sun, moon, planet, belt) then hit the warp to button repeatedly. when your ship blows up, the first thing the program and server respond to is the que of warp to commands, this will save your pod.

hope this all makes some kind of sence as i have sunk a few beers.

You just gave me more info about PvP that I learned in 3 months of  Eve !

so much red is confusing you. if you think EVE is such a bad game, just forget about it and find a better game. but i think that  you are simply jealous cause you didnt succeed on the game and thus you feel the need turn it down for the rest.

unfortunately for you, you are not succeding here either. EVE is a wonderful game, and more than 250.000 players are enjoying it.

what is funny is that during your last interventions you have completely forgotten about the topic of the thread (whether a new player can compete or not) to focuss on a few perceived problems. i pity you.

Originally posted by apertotes

so much red is confusing you. if you think EVE is such a bad game, just forget about it and find a better game. but i think that  you are simply jealous cause you didnt succeed on the game and thus you feel the need turn it down for the rest.

unfortunately for you, you are not succeding here either. EVE is a wonderful game, and more than 250.000 players are enjoying it.

what is funny is that during your last interventions you have completely forgotten about the topic of the thread (whether a new player can compete or not) to focuss on a few perceived problems. i pity you.

jita (general) >> the problem with this game through the eyes of a pvper!

blob warfare - pos warfare - are these not items which are pvp?  are they somehow pve?

i think stupid people are bad.  i think ignorance is bad. i think delusioned individuals are horrible.  i like eve.  there are parts which are broken -- anyone who says these parts are NOT broken - either don't know what they're talking about, or they are lying.

it's really that simple.    eventually the gbtw bug will overtake those soaked in weaksauce. 

The OP makes the following points:

#1: The later you join, the further behind you'll be.

#2: 99.9999% of the people who pvp have been playing for over 3 years.

#3: Getting cash to pay for your ships:

And these points relate to blob and pos warfare how, exactly?

Also, I never realized you were such an authority that you can say without fear of contradiction that if you say something is broken, then it is broken.  That's some accomplishment!

/me wipes the floor clean of the dripping sarcasm

Originally posted by Eschiava

The OP makes the following points:

#1: The later you join, the further behind you'll be.

#2: 99.9999% of the people who pvp have been playing for over 3 years.

#3: Getting cash to pay for your ships:

And these points relate to blob and pos warfare how, exactly?

Also, I never realized you were such an authority that you can say without fear of contradiction that if you say something is broken, then it is broken.  That's some accomplishment!

/me wipes the floor clean of the dripping sarcasm

tears really do make the world go around.  It's not like someone that doesn't have any clue about eve, could just go to the eve-o forums and see quite a number of threads which addressed those problems and probably a thread or two with an ongoing assessment of how those things are being fixed.

i'm glad you're right though.  your tears do bring me incredible joy.

Look out people!  Damian7 has come unhinged and is no longer in touch with reality, assuming he ever was. 

There's no telling what he might say now!

You really are funny Dami, first you make a point, then when it is contradicted with facts you just turn the corner and start spewing forth about something unrelated.

Please continue, it's not often I can get such entertainment for free!  You see, most of the people capable if it are locked up in padded cells!  LOL! @ Dami

Originally posted by apertotes

so much red is confusing you. if you think EVE is such a bad game, just forget about it and find a better game. but i think that  you are simply jealous cause you didnt succeed on the game and thus you feel the need turn it down for the rest.

unfortunately for you, you are not succeding here either. EVE is a wonderful game, and more than 250.000 players are enjoying it.

what is funny is that during your last interventions you have completely forgotten about the topic of the thread (whether a new player can compete or not) to focuss on a few perceived problems. i pity you.

Aparently these things aren't game balance issues either. And the dev's said eve sucks, lets not foget about that. Oh, I know you have no proof, but why should you provide proof.

Everyone should completely ignore this guy. He's from the Something Awful forums, and that makes him a goonie in eve.

I've got better than even odds that he's here trying to disrupt the EVE-online section of the MMORPG.COM forums on someone's "orders."

You see they've launched a number of overt attacks on CCP and EVE on a number of forums and websites on "orders" (incidently this is why he's on so much about the Band of Brothers thing).

-S

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by apertotes

so much red is confusing you. if you think EVE is such a bad game, just forget about it and find a better game. but i think that  you are simply jealous cause you didnt succeed on the game and thus you feel the need turn it down for the rest.

unfortunately for you, you are not succeding here either. EVE is a wonderful game, and more than 250.000 players are enjoying it.

what is funny is that during your last interventions you have completely forgotten about the topic of the thread (whether a new player can compete or not) to focuss on a few perceived problems. i pity you.

 

jita (general) >> the problem with this game through the eyes of a pvper!

 

blob warfare - pos warfare - are these not items which are pvp?  are they somehow pve?

i think stupid people are bad.  i think ignorance is bad. i think delusioned individuals are horrible.  i like eve.  there are parts which are broken -- anyone who says these parts are NOT broken - either don't know what they're talking about, or they are lying.

it's really that simple.    eventually the gbtw bug will overtake those soaked in weaksauce. 

oh, i see. it all comes down to it: you just didnt read the OP and came here to troll. now we can continue the discussion, at least we know your intentions. but i must say you are very bad at trolling.

Originally posted by Eschiava

The OP makes the following points:

#1: The later you join, the further behind you'll be.

#2: 99.9999% of the people who pvp have been playing for over 3 years.

#3: Getting cash to pay for your ships:

And these points relate to blob and pos warfare how, exactly?

Also, I never realized you were such an authority that you can say without fear of contradiction that if you say something is broken, then it is broken.  That's some accomplishment!

/me wipes the floor clean of the dripping sarcasm

Originally posted by apertotes

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by apertotes

so much red is confusing you. if you think EVE is such a bad game, just forget about it and find a better game. but i think that  you are simply jealous cause you didnt succeed on the game and thus you feel the need turn it down for the rest.

unfortunately for you, you are not succeding here either. EVE is a wonderful game, and more than 250.000 players are enjoying it.

what is funny is that during your last interventions you have completely forgotten about the topic of the thread (whether a new player can compete or not) to focuss on a few perceived problems. i pity you.

 

jita (general) >> the problem with this game through the eyes of a pvper!

 

blob warfare - pos warfare - are these not items which are pvp?  are they somehow pve?

i think stupid people are bad.  i think ignorance is bad. i think delusioned individuals are horrible.  i like eve.  there are parts which are broken -- anyone who says these parts are NOT broken - either don't know what they're talking about, or they are lying.

it's really that simple.    eventually the gbtw bug will overtake those soaked in weaksauce. 

 

oh, i see. it all comes down to it: you just didnt read the OP and came here to troll. now we can continue the discussion, at least we know your intentions. but i must say you are very bad at trolling.

i guess i didn't realize that threads weren't allowed to evolve and expand upon thoughts/ideas and that once you've posted one single idea in a thread, that you are not allowed to talk about anything but that single idea in that thread.

thank you forum nazi, godwin it up ftl with your boxed in tears.  i know people that don't have a foot to stand on resort to this drivel, so drivel on with your notsobad self.

i guess i didn't realize how many high-sec-huggers there were on this forum.  i mean heck, most of the time people are claiming this 0.0 alliance or that 0.0 alliance.  good to see that it's mostly 1.0 folks posting here though.  gives a lot of weight to a lot that you guys poast (seriously - poast).

damian7, quite honestly, I think you are an idiot. Nothing personal, I've only evaluated you based on my own standards and on how you conduct yourself on this forum. Your arguments are broken, your discussion mechanics have serious flaws in them, and putting your denial shields down requires a too big a blob and too much time.

As for your opinions on EVE, thank you, we've noted that you think the game sucks and is broken. We understand. You don't like it. Thank you. You can go now. We have no further need to discuss anything with you anymore. It is clear that no amount of reasoning will budge you from your rabid flaming of a game you claim to hate. Therefore, you are relegated to the position of 'Trolling for the sake of trolling'.

And yes, this is what is considered an ad hominem attack on your person, as impartial as I can make it. I'm merely trying to point out that you have probably accomplished whatever it was you could from what you thought you were trying to accomplish. Three pages ago, probably. We know you hate EVE, and it's clear you hate it with enough of a passion that you cannot see why anyone could love playing the game or consider it good.

Why do you read/post on this forum?

...Oh, of course, because you hate the game, and would like to see it die a flaming, burning, bankruptcy death.

Apparently.

Oh, and as for you others, please, stop feeding the troll, even if he is an SA retard.

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by apertotes

Originally posted by damian7

Originally posted by apertotes

so much red is confusing you. if you think EVE is such a bad game, just forget about it and find a better game. but i think that  you are simply jealous cause you didnt succeed on the game and thus you feel the need turn it down for the rest.

unfortunately for you, you are not succeding here either. EVE is a wonderful game, and more than 250.000 players are enjoying it.

what is funny is that during your last interventions you have completely forgotten about the topic of the thread (whether a new player can compete or not) to focuss on a few perceived problems. i pity you.

 

jita (general) >> the problem with this game through the eyes of a pvper!

 

blob warfare - pos warfare - are these not items which are pvp?  are they somehow pve?

i think stupid people are bad.  i think ignorance is bad. i think delusioned individuals are horrible.  i like eve.  there are parts which are broken -- anyone who says these parts are NOT broken - either don't know what they're talking about, or they are lying.

it's really that simple.    eventually the gbtw bug will overtake those soaked in weaksauce. 

 

oh, i see. it all comes down to it: you just didnt read the OP and came here to troll. now we can continue the discussion, at least we know your intentions. but i must say you are very bad at trolling.

 

i guess i didn't realize that threads weren't allowed to evolve and expand upon thoughts/ideas and that once you've posted one single idea in a thread, that you are not allowed to talk about anything but that single idea in that thread.

 

thank you forum nazi, godwin it up ftl with your boxed in tears.  i know people that don't have a foot to stand on resort to this drivel, so drivel on with your notsobad self.

 

i guess i didn't realize how many high-sec-huggers there were on this forum.  i mean heck, most of the time people are claiming this 0.0 alliance or that 0.0 alliance.  good to see that it's mostly 1.0 folks posting here though.  gives a lot of weight to a lot that you guys poast (seriously - poast).

Finwolven is right, I really shouldn't be feeding the troll, but I consider this more for the EVE community in general rather than for it.  I thought of this yesterday, and I could not help but think how well it fits the troll, so, here it is:
 

------------------------------------------

They're Coming To Take me Away

from: Dr. Demento's Delights
Warner Bros. 1975 BS 2855 0698

Remember when you ran away and I got on my knees and begged you not to
leave because I'd go berserk?? Well...
You left me anyhow and then the days got worse and worse and now you see
I've gone completely out of my mind.. And..

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa
To the funny farm. Where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be
happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're
coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!!!

You thought it was a joke and so you laughed, you laughed when I had said
that loosing you would make me flip my lid.. RIGHT???
I know you laughed, I heard you laugh, you laughed you laughed and
laughed and then you left, but now you know I'm utterly mad... And..
 

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa,
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
To the happy home. With trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket
weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they're
coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!

I cooked your food, I cleaned your house, and this is how you pay me back
for all my kind unselfish loving deeds.. Huh??
Well you just wait, they'll find you yet and when they do they'll put you
in the ASPCA, you mangy mutt!!! And...

They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be happy
to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming
to take me away, ha-haaa!!!
To the happy home, with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket
weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they're
coming to take me away, ha-haa!!!
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time... (fade out)

--------------------------------------------------------

Hope you enjoyed this classic!

And before davian7 comes telling me what sort of carebear I am, I should probably point out that I've participated in POS wars, been in a pre-capital gangs taking large 'deathstar' POSes down, been in a post-capitals gang taking down POSes with cap support, and defending a POS .

I've been in small gangs, big gangs, fleets with 50 facing 150+, I've tackled a dread and hunted with Burn Eden, I've seen drones on fire off the shoulder of CCP, seen pulse lasers glitter near the CZD gate, and the sky was a sea of stars, each star a flying torp... One of ours.

Since we're moving into the entertainment section of our show, I figured I'd get that off my chest.

EDIT: The actual meat of my post was to say that I disagree with Davian, and that while annoying, the problems in large fleet battles are pretty much even to both sides and fairly well balanced, and that POS warfare, while also slightly problematic, does not ruin the game for me or for many, many others. In fact, I'd say his claims of issues that are gamebrakers are highly exaggerated, bordering on hyperbole.

wow.  just gbtw.

you're all right.  there's nothing at all wrong with this game.  there's absolutely nothing broken.  desync is ONLY a balancing issue.  nothing to see, i'm obviously a troll because i will not ever blindly worship a game/company.

you're all completely right, there were never tons of posts on eve-o or internal corp forums, about all these things i've complained about.  and all toons are completely equal and will always be.

i'll leave you winners to your high sec panty raids.  too bad those folks who claim 0.0 don't post here anymore, i mean, most of them seem to have lost their alliances, maybe they fell on their swords and that's why they no postie here no mo. 

Originally posted by Finwolven

And before davian7 comes telling me what sort of carebear I am, I should probably point out that I've participated in POS wars, been in a pre-capital gangs taking large 'deathstar' POSes down, been in a post-capitals gang taking down POSes with cap support, and defending a POS .

I've been in small gangs, big gangs, fleets with 50 facing 150+, I've tackled a dread and hunted with Burn Eden, I've seen drones on fire off the shoulder of CCP, seen pulse lasers glitter near the CZD gate, and the sky was a sea of stars, each star a flying torp... One of ours.

Since we're moving into the entertainment section of our show, I figured I'd get that off my chest.

EDIT: The actual meat of my post was to say that I disagree with Davian, and that while annoying, the problems in large fleet battles are pretty much even to both sides and fairly well balanced, and that POS warfare, while also slightly problematic, does not ruin the game for me or for many, many others. In fact, I'd say his claims of issues that are gamebrakers are highly exaggerated, bordering on hyperbole.

you're in which alliance?  i already know one you're not in.  or, don't want to post cuz you might be ridiculed for not "rise"ing to the occasion, as many others?

Originally posted by damian7

wow.  just gbtw.

you're all right.  there's nothing at all wrong with this game.  there's absolutely nothing broken.  desync is ONLY a balancing issue.  nothing to see, i'm obviously a troll because i will not ever blindly worship a game/company.

you're all completely right, there were never tons of posts on eve-o or internal corp forums, about all these things i've complained about.  and all toons are completely equal and will always be.

 

i'll leave you winners to your high sec panty raids.  too bad those folks who claim 0.0 don't post here anymore, i mean, most of them seem to have lost their alliances, maybe they fell on their swords and that's why they no postie here no mo. 

Actually, from what I've read, no one is saying there aren' t problems with EVE, of course there are.  Yet somehow many players continue to have fun despite them, and don't lose sight of the forest for the trees.

But why you continue to name call saying everyone is a 1.0 carebear, (not true of course) or of not belonging to the correct alliance, (many have) is beyond me.  Does nothing to bolster your argument and only further defines you as a troll.