Originally posted by Xtort

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

 

 

PS: what makes you think I don't have a degree in economics?

 

 

Sorry to interrupt your google searching to find "something" to use against me but, why would I think you would have a degree in economics?

1. Economics and MBA are different things. MBA = Business Administration, management.

2. Maybe, just maybe you would be a high school student, but I seriously doubt that. If you say that you are studying art, literature or some other social science, you would be more trustworthy.

Every product is either a commodity good or a service or the mixture of both (in most cases). You were just mixing the term "product" with (commodity) goods. Happens to the best too.... I know :)

But I understand that it's now hard for you to actually argue on this since I proved you were talking BS.

Not to mention the total deviation from the actual topic of the original post :)

So, to summarize: your opinion was:

1 - MMO's are not products

2 - Since they are not products, they can be as bad as they want to be, since you don't have any right to complain.

3 - you are not a fanboi,

4- everyone who disagrees should leave these forums.

Did I miss anything? :)

DB

I had on of those MBA"s once...and he cost me a lot of money and grief.

Originally posted by Xtort

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by Shastra

 

 

Anyone who uses the word NUBCAKE; is not even worth a reply or intelligent discussion. Seriously why are you guys wasting your time with him? another fanboy...another biased defense. Whats new?

 

For the heck of kicking his self-claimed goddishness in the balls maybe? :)

Anyone who comes up with "I'm an MBA grad" in any forums are pathetic anyways :)

DB

 

I have played LOTRO for 2 months, and moved on to the next MMO.

I will never trash talk about an MMO, nor will I be a fanboi of an MMO. Simple as that.

The moment you claimed that:

1. A MMO has zero bugs.

2. Products and services are the same things.

You lost all credibility. Why would I want to discuss things with you further?

I have a computer engineering major and some random player comes here and claims that 1 million line of code has zero bugs. Then I have an MBA degree focused on services management and he also claims that products and services are the same things.

Give me one good reason to take you as a serious debater?

Actually, after reading 7 pages of your responses I'm not quite sure why we should take you as a serious debater.

You namecall in many of your replies, with names such as nubcake, which really doesn't apply to a poster like Donnie Brasco.  He's been around the block with MMO's as much as anyone on these forums and he did nothing but try to hold an intelligent debate with you.

You also seem to have a paranoia fear of fat people, as you constantly call them stupid, imply they are lazy, and somehow ruining life in general for gamers (and AOC) everywhere.

You also have an overly high opinion of yourself and your qualifications.  Sure, you were a computer engineering major, and have an MBA, but that doesn't make you smarter or more qualified to post about gaming than any one else here.

And quite honestly, your caustic replies are nothing but trolls in reverse...and you are no better than the people you decry in your first OP.

AOC has some very real problems, and these forums exist for people to express their opinions on them, regardless whether people like you like it.  AOC has official forums, you want a love fest feel free to stay over there and enjoy yourself.

These forums are for fans, haters, trolls, intelligent debaters etc to freely express their opinions abovut the game.  You don't like it... go somewhere else, and leave this one to those who don't mind a good debate.

BTW, I play AOC, despite its flaws, but completely understand why someone else might chose not to. As Donnie said, I came to this game with very low expectations, so I don't feel quite the let down as others might.

If others feel cheated and want to vent here, fine with me, I'm one of the grown-ups and I can take it.

Actually, Shastra was right.... I have made 4 points, all of them about the original post (ok, maybe the last one not 100%).

Now read your last post and think about it. You are doing nothing else but trolling me for pointing out your lack of konwledge/incorrect terminology (I work in IT and I know how IT companies love to differentiate products from services totally for business reasons, but trust me, in economics it is not the same... the terminology is different.)

So, as my last attempt to counter your flaming/trolling/derailing with actual ontopic points, I'll answer my own questions above.

You think that MMORPG's are *not* products. That speaks for itself. I'm sorry, you're wrong, they are. And no matter if you insist on labeling them "services" - here's a surprise: even if it were true, you'd have EVERY right to complain about them as a service *TOO* if you didn't get what you bargained for. Think about a cellphone subscription, maybe you'll have a harder time to dismiss this analogy than the one with the LCD TV. 

My cellphone service has no monthly fee. I only pay for the time I speak, and it's not expensive at all.

What if there is no service for a week? Do I have any right to complain? According to your "logic", I don't, since it's Soooo cheap, it's actually free. And I did not pay a cent for that week on which I couldn't use my phone.

I am pretty sure you understand this analogy now, and I also have a suspicion that you did understand the earlier ones too, but for some reason you *seem to be* mindlessly defending Funcom, and labeling yourself "non-fanboi" in every second post did not help to get your ideas through any better - I'm sorry.

We can continue this debate, you can call me any kind of "nubcake" with the almost 100 posts you have here, but as you can see from other replies, your credibility and reputation as a partner in an argument is falling more rapidly than AoC sub numbers :)

DB

Originally posted by Xtort

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Originally posted by Xtort

Life is about taking risks. The higher $$s you put on a service, the higher expectations you might have. $15 a month for tens of hours of entertainment is very very cheap, even cheaper than having a food in McDonalds.

Therefore you can not expect the highest quality with your mom's 15$, nor you can expect a finished product from an entertainment type where you know it will be patched every week :)

 

LOL that's priceless :)

1. Life is about risks. Purchasing products of entertainments are NOT. If you buy an LCD TV and it does not have any sound, will you accept it as a "risk", a part of life? LOL

2. Well I am playing an MMO that costs less than 15 USD a month, it is a finished product  (was already finished at launchday) that has zero bugs, and it is not being patched every week, but constantly updated with new content and features every 2nd or 3rd month.

But, maybe I'm spoiled and this is not how each MMO should be. You are saying we all should accept crap as crap then?

DB

 

Mr.Nubcake,

1. LCD TV is NOT a service, it's an actual, physical product.  Neither is the chocolate milkshake someone was blah blahing about. Services require constant interaction with the producer and the customer. It might be via patching the game, or as in restaurants via the waitresses. You can not compare a service with a finished product that is on shelves.

2. We understood that you are playing Hello kitty online for $9.99 a month and having issues with "Flirting with the pink tailed kitty" quest, that is allright. But did you know that no compex software has ever been developed without any bugs? No? Well sorry to say but you are wrong.

Maybe you should spend less time in forums and go back to your hello kitty online? That's a friendly advice.

WTH are you on about? I couldnt care less what you think its a service or a product, what i care about is having spent £40 on a Game( an item you can purchase at a shop)  and when i installed it that game wasnt there it was some garbage software but it wasnt the game it was announced and i paid for. I dunno where you live but in the UK we call it a scam.

You're missing the point. AOC made promisses that they didn't follow through with and people spent hard earned money on the game and got gyped (gypsied i.e. gypsies steal on the basis of glamouring you first).

Taking gold from players and instanced zones where you can't fit your entire guild was a bad move as well.

You also said this game is good. That's a matter of perception. My youngest daughter thinks Spongebob Squarepants is good, Personally I think the cartoon is utterly retarded.

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Actually, Shastra was right.... I have made 4 points, all of them about the original post (ok, maybe the last one not 100%).

Now read your last post and think. You are doing nothing else but trolling me (for pointing out your lack of konwledge/incorrect terminology (I work in IT and I know how IT companies do differentiate products/services totally, but trust me, in economics it is not the same...)

So, as my last attempt to counter your flaming/trolling/derailing with actual ontopic points, I'll answer my own questions.

You think that MMORPG's are *not* products. That speaks for itself. I'm sorry, you're wrong, they are. And no matter if you insist on labeling them servies - here's a surprise: you have EVERY right to complain about a service if you don't get what you bargained for. Think about a cellphone subscription, maybe you'll have a harder time to dismiss this analogy than with the LCD TV. 

My cellphone service has no monthly fee. I only pay for the time I speak, and it's not expensive at all.

What if there is no service for a week? Do I have any right to complain? According to your "logic", I don't, since it's Soooo cheap, it's actually free. And I did not pay a cent for that week on which I couldn't use my phone.

I am pretty sure you understand this analogy now, and I also have a suspicion that you did understand the earliers ones, but for some reason you *seem to be* mindlessly defending Funcom, and labeling yourself "non-fanboi" in every second post did not help to get your ideas through any better - I'm sorry.

We can continue this debate, you can call me any kind of "nubcake" with the almost 100 posts you have here, but as you can see from other replies, your credibility and reputation as a partner in an argument is falling more rapidly than AoC subs :)

DB

I never claimed that you have NO rights about what you paid for in services, such as cell phones. Yes, cell phone subscribtions are services. And if you don't have any access to that service, you can claim your money back.

MMOs are services too. Yes, they come with a box. That is the product part. If it's broken or CD is not working, you can claim to get a new one.

However, there is NOT A SINGLE CASE, where an MMO customer could get his money back from bugs in the game, or lack of content etc.

I ask you now, can you get your money back from Age of Conan (or any other MMO) by using your magical rights, if you file a suit claiming "oh they promised me PvP, there is no PvP in AoC" or "They promised me end game content, there is no end game content in AoC" ?

Answer these questions, com'on.

The level of service they provide is related to the game's quality. You can claim that AoC does not have quality, but you can not use your rights to get your money back. Because you can actually play the game. You can create a toon, play it to lvl80, and drown in water, jump from cliffs, make sweet love to the pigs in Poutain etc. etc.

You can do all of these.

You would have a problem with the quality of the game. Then you can simply quit the game, and go play something else. No one has any problem with that.

But coming to these forums, trash talking about the game, wtf is that? Is this mature? Is this normal?

Do I go back to LOTRO forums and trash talk about the PvP system (or lack of) or the only one raid (Helegrod) while I played it? No. Because I will neither trash talk about a game, nor I will be a fanboi of a game in which I will move on to the next one when I dont get any more fun.

Did you get me now?

Originally posted by Bladeinhand

Originally posted by hdnine

Because this means one of several things:

1. You really, truly, do not like the game for some reason only you are privileged to. To me this is odd because there are so many other games out there - mmo, pc or console based - that suck even worse than AoC. You feel a need to let the world know why this game is bad, and you do just that by flaming everyone related to it.

People hate this game more because they were lied too about its content, there are worse games yes, but this is the latest in a long line of MMO rubbish that has come out and people are pi**ed of with how rushed out this game was. I also think people are more enraged by Funcom as a company than Conan as a game.

2. AoC is surprisingly good and is a real threat to your favorite game - may it be WoW, LoTRO, Everquest, GW or what ever - so you feel forced to try and push it down into the ground. You need for people not to like AoC so they can continue playing your favorite instead.

This is complete crap, I could'nt care less what people play. And to be honest I doubt Conan will do much to reduce any of these games subscriptions in the long run. I would even say the opposite is happining and people disgusted with Conan are going back to other MMO's to get their fix. Look at Vanguard for instance lots of people coming back, who played AoC.

3. You simply do not care about the game one way or another but you love to indulge yourself in the spirit of forum posting. You love hacking down on games just to create a reaction.

I did care about the game, I played the OB and thought this was going to be good game. Got the retail and played through it, gritted my teeth through the bugs and gradualy relised what a shallow and empty game this was. Forums go two ways, if this was a forum just praising the game and ignoring every issue and complaint people had, what a boring place it would be.

Maybe there are more, sure there are, but i might be close to one of which that you represent am i not? Ladies and gentlemen, start you flaming!!

 

Well said. No big conspiracy or secret  as to why people are upset.

Originally posted by Xtort

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Actually, Shastra was right.... I have made 4 points, all of them about the original post (ok, maybe the last one not 100%).

Now read your last post and think. You are doing nothing else but trolling me (for pointing out your lack of konwledge/incorrect terminology (I work in IT and I know how IT companies do differentiate products/services totally, but trust me, in economics it is not the same...)

So, as my last attempt to counter your flaming/trolling/derailing with actual ontopic points, I'll answer my own questions.

You think that MMORPG's are *not* products. That speaks for itself. I'm sorry, you're wrong, they are. And no matter if you insist on labeling them servies - here's a surprise: you have EVERY right to complain about a service if you don't get what you bargained for. Think about a cellphone subscription, maybe you'll have a harder time to dismiss this analogy than with the LCD TV. 

My cellphone service has no monthly fee. I only pay for the time I speak, and it's not expensive at all.

What if there is no service for a week? Do I have any right to complain? According to your "logic", I don't, since it's Soooo cheap, it's actually free. And I did not pay a cent for that week on which I couldn't use my phone.

I am pretty sure you understand this analogy now, and I also have a suspicion that you did understand the earliers ones, but for some reason you *seem to be* mindlessly defending Funcom, and labeling yourself "non-fanboi" in every second post did not help to get your ideas through any better - I'm sorry.

We can continue this debate, you can call me any kind of "nubcake" with the almost 100 posts you have here, but as you can see from other replies, your credibility and reputation as a partner in an argument is falling more rapidly than AoC subs :)

DB

 

I never claimed that you have NO rights about what you paid for in services, such as cell phones. Yes, cell phone subscribtions are services. And if you don't have any access to that service, you can claim your money back.

MMOs are services too. Yes, they come with a box. That is the product part. If it's broken or CD is not working, you can claim to get a new one.

However, there is NOT A SINGLE CASE, where an MMO customer could get his money back from bugs in the game, or lack of content etc.

I ask you now, can you get your money back from Age of Conan (or any other MMO) by using your magical rights, if you file a suit claiming "oh they promised me PvP, there is no PvP in AoC" or "They promised me end game content, there is no end game content in AoC" ?

Answer these questions, com'on.

The level of service they provide is related to the game's quality. You can claim that AoC does not have quality, but you can not use your rights to get your money back. Because you can actually play the game. You can create a toon, play it to lvl80, and drown in water, jump from cliffs, make sweet love to the pigs in Poutain etc. etc.

You can do all of these.

You would have a problem with the quality of the game. Then you can simply quit the game, and go play something else. No one has any problem with that.

But coming to these forums, trash talking about the game, wtf is that? Is this mature? Is this normal?

Do I go back to LOTRO forums and trash talk about the PvP system (or lack of) or the only one raid (Helegrod) while I played it? No. Because I will neither trash talk about a game, nor I will be a fanboi of a game in which I will move on to the next one when I dont get any more fun.

Did you get me now?

Excellent post.

Originally posted by Xtort

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Actually, Shastra was right.... I have made 4 points, all of them about the original post (ok, maybe the last one not 100%).

Now read your last post and think. You are doing nothing else but trolling me (for pointing out your lack of konwledge/incorrect terminology (I work in IT and I know how IT companies do differentiate products/services totally, but trust me, in economics it is not the same...)

So, as my last attempt to counter your flaming/trolling/derailing with actual ontopic points, I'll answer my own questions.

You think that MMORPG's are *not* products. That speaks for itself. I'm sorry, you're wrong, they are. And no matter if you insist on labeling them servies - here's a surprise: you have EVERY right to complain about a service if you don't get what you bargained for. Think about a cellphone subscription, maybe you'll have a harder time to dismiss this analogy than with the LCD TV. 

My cellphone service has no monthly fee. I only pay for the time I speak, and it's not expensive at all.

What if there is no service for a week? Do I have any right to complain? According to your "logic", I don't, since it's Soooo cheap, it's actually free. And I did not pay a cent for that week on which I couldn't use my phone.

I am pretty sure you understand this analogy now, and I also have a suspicion that you did understand the earliers ones, but for some reason you *seem to be* mindlessly defending Funcom, and labeling yourself "non-fanboi" in every second post did not help to get your ideas through any better - I'm sorry.

We can continue this debate, you can call me any kind of "nubcake" with the almost 100 posts you have here, but as you can see from other replies, your credibility and reputation as a partner in an argument is falling more rapidly than AoC subs :)

DB

 

I never claimed that you have NO rights about what you paid for in services, such as cell phones. Yes, cell phone subscribtions are services. And if you don't have any access to that service, you can claim your money back.

MMOs are services too. Yes, they come with a box. That is the product part. If it's broken or CD is not working, you can claim to get a new one.

However, there is NOT A SINGLE CASE, where an MMO customer could get his money back from bugs in the game, or lack of content etc.

I ask you now, can you get your money back from Age of Conan (or any other MMO) by using your magical rights, if you file a suit claiming "oh they promised me PvP, there is no PvP in AoC" or "They promised me end game content, there is no end game content in AoC" ?

Answer these questions, com'on.

The level of service they provide is related to the game's quality. You can claim that AoC does not have quality, but you can not use your rights to get your money back. Because you can actually play the game. You can create a toon, play it to lvl80, and drown in water, jump from cliffs, make sweet love to the pigs in Poutain etc. etc.

You can do all of these.

You would have a problem with the quality of the game. Then you can simply quit the game, and go play something else. No one has any problem with that.

But coming to these forums, trash talking about the game, wtf is that? Is this mature? Is this normal?

Do I go back to LOTRO forums and trash talk about the PvP system (or lack of) or the only one raid (Helegrod) while I played it? No. Because I will neither trash talk about a game, nor I will be a fanboi of a game in which I will move on to the next one when I dont get any more fun.

Did you get me now?

Your perception of what is going on in these forums is your own, what you see as trash talking I see it as people discussing about a game that failed to deliver what it had promise to its customers.

You dont go back to the LoTR section because LoTRO didnt promise the "cure for cancer" like AoC did, sure you might not enjoy it but what's on the box is there, and it was there on release, comparing LoTRO with AoC is just silly, I have seen hyped mmos but the FC hype machine was just amazingly good, the only other mmo i can compare it to is DnL.

Originally posted by Xtort

Originally posted by DonnieBrasco

Actually, Shastra was right.... I have made 4 points, all of them about the original post (ok, maybe the last one not 100%).

Now read your last post and think. You are doing nothing else but trolling me (for pointing out your lack of konwledge/incorrect terminology (I work in IT and I know how IT companies do differentiate products/services totally, but trust me, in economics it is not the same...)

So, as my last attempt to counter your flaming/trolling/derailing with actual ontopic points, I'll answer my own questions.

You think that MMORPG's are *not* products. That speaks for itself. I'm sorry, you're wrong, they are. And no matter if you insist on labeling them servies - here's a surprise: you have EVERY right to complain about a service if you don't get what you bargained for. Think about a cellphone subscription, maybe you'll have a harder time to dismiss this analogy than with the LCD TV. 

My cellphone service has no monthly fee. I only pay for the time I speak, and it's not expensive at all.

What if there is no service for a week? Do I have any right to complain? According to your "logic", I don't, since it's Soooo cheap, it's actually free. And I did not pay a cent for that week on which I couldn't use my phone.

I am pretty sure you understand this analogy now, and I also have a suspicion that you did understand the earliers ones, but for some reason you *seem to be* mindlessly defending Funcom, and labeling yourself "non-fanboi" in every second post did not help to get your ideas through any better - I'm sorry.

We can continue this debate, you can call me any kind of "nubcake" with the almost 100 posts you have here, but as you can see from other replies, your credibility and reputation as a partner in an argument is falling more rapidly than AoC subs :)

DB

 

I never claimed that you have NO rights about what you paid for in services, such as cell phones. Yes, cell phone subscribtions are services. And if you don't have any access to that service, you can claim your money back.

MMOs are services too. Yes, they come with a box. That is the product part. If it's broken or CD is not working, you can claim to get a new one.

However, there is NOT A SINGLE CASE, where an MMO customer could get his money back from bugs in the game, or lack of content etc.

I ask you now, can you get your money back from Age of Conan (or any other MMO) by using your magical rights, if you file a suit claiming "oh they promised me PvP, there is no PvP in AoC" or "They promised me end game content, there is no end game content in AoC" ?

Answer these questions, com'on.

The level of service they provide is related to the game's quality. You can claim that AoC does not have quality, but you can not use your rights to get your money back. Because you can actually play the game. You can create a toon, play it to lvl80, and drown in water, jump from cliffs, make sweet love to the pigs in Poutain etc. etc.

You can do all of these.

You would have a problem with the quality of the game. Then you can simply quit the game, and go play something else. No one has any problem with that.

But coming to these forums, trash talking about the game, wtf is that? Is this mature? Is this normal?

Do I go back to LOTRO forums and trash talk about the PvP system (or lack of) or the only one raid (Helegrod) while I played it? No. Because I will neither trash talk about a game, nor I will be a fanboi of a game in which I will move on to the next one when I dont get any more fun.

Did you get me now?

Originally you said this: you have NO right no complain about an MMORPG, since it's only 15 USD per month, and that's cheap.

This is what you wrote EXACTLY. Read back. This is what we said "Bullshit" about. And THIS is what I have found stupid enough to reply to as well. I had never come to these forums to troll, but since I bought and played AOC (and did not return, as I think it's not that bad, and trust its future), so I don't think i fall into the "trolling hater" category either. I just hate BS and love to point it out.

And I'm not sure how it works where you live, but where I live, if I buy a software, or buy/licence any kind of service, and I do NOT get what was promised for, chances are good that I CAN get my money back. This is true for the bigger part of Europe, actually.

How it works out with MMORPG's in practice, differs by the region and is highly dependant on luck. But in Europe Bill Gates had already been fined 25M USD for not delivering what was promised (on option for indepent media player in Windows), so we have a good lead on achieving the brighter future where scammers get fined and consumers get compansated.

Here's my answer, enjoy it :)

DB

Originally posted by hdnine

I see this kind of reactions everywhere. People, like the most of you who are upset, need to vent it onto others. That's normal i guess since we all do it.

I just love the posts where people write that they quit the game for whatever reason. They feel compelled to let everyone else know that they did just that, what they think is wrong with the game (which is great but really has no effect) and in the end they are the once ending up looking like the fool.

I'm not saying that you people shouldn't share your thoughts or concerns for any topic, but seriously, which MMO or almost any other game out there had zero problems at its release?

I'm not a "fanboi" (or troll for that matter) because that implies so much more. I enjoy the game, yes. It has problems, annoying bugs and what not... YES! But when it comes to game play, animations, graphics, player control and a lot of other things - the game is the first MMO to capture my interest since WoW and before that, SWG.

Everyone says AoC is such a let down but in the end, they all seem to base it on all the current bugs and problems. It will get better, give it some time. As for PvP... the game does have a lack of it yes which might be a main issue for some of you. But if we compare it to let's say WoW, they too started of with world-pvp which almost disappear when the battlegrounds arrived. Battlegrounds in my opinion are great fun and is something i really miss. In SWG we had these large PvP areas - great fun too.

AoC failed to deliver on many fronts.  And while you can say, "well it didn't suck more then other new releases", that is a BS attitude and not true.  LoTR for example had a good launch.  I think consumers need to say something when a company ships a substandard product.  AoC is worse then most launchs. 

People coming to the forums looking for information on a new game deserve to have all the facts about a game the good and the bad.  People posting about the bad aspects of the game are providing a service to the community by letting people know what the state of the game is before they buy it that way when they buy it they don't have expectations that the game on the box and the game in the box match. 

I know that if I had read these forums before I bought the game I would have saved myself $50 and would in hindsight have been better off.

Originally posted by Steelrose

Because of the amazingly idiotic unprofessional claim by AoC game designer that AoC is a steakhouse while Lotro/WoW are McDonalds.

hehe wow is the mcdonalds. but claiming they are the steakhouse was pretty arrogant considering how unfinsihed aspects of the game are.

Originally posted by ethion

AoC failed to deliver on many fronts.  And while you can say, "well it didn't suck more then other new releases", that is a BS attitude and not true.  LoTR for example had a good launch.  I think consumers need to say something when a company ships a substandard product.  AoC is worse then most launchs. 

People coming to the forums looking for information on a new game deserve to have all the facts about a game the good and the bad.  People posting about the bad aspects of the game are providing a service to the community by letting people know what the state of the game is before they buy it that way when they buy it they don't have expectations that the game on the box and the game in the box match. 

I know that if I had read these forums before I bought the game I would have saved myself $50 and would in hindsight have been better off.

 

I've just paid the $50.00 but I am not going into the game with a lot of high expectations. After all it's a only game...and not my life.

To the op

I think ppl are perfectly fine stating their opinions on these forums.  I doubt you need to catagories those for them.

BTW - where do you fit into this group?  

Originally posted by Steelrose

Because of the amazingly idiotic unprofessional claim by AoC game designer that AoC is a steakhouse while Lotro/WoW are McDonalds.

Actually, LOTRO still falls into the steak category. What's amazingly ridiculous is putting WoW and LOTRO together. AoC is doing fine. WoW is still the AOL of the MMO world. LOTRO is extremely well done with beautiful graphics, but..... it gets boring. Everything is so goody-goody

Not to under value anyones opions,  but if you are looking at this forum to determine whether or not to play this game please keep in mind one thing.  The average happy/content player does not come to or post on forums.  The percentage of unhappy customers which post is much higher than the happy ones that post

My opinions:

AoC has issues but I enjoy playing it much more than WOW, DAoC,LOTRO, EQ2, Vangard.

LOTRO seems to be a good game but I stopped playing because not many people I knew were playing and lack of end game content

wow is good.  Been  playing for several years but I am just looking for something new

Originally posted by dbell1967

LOTRO seems to be a good game but I stopped playing because not many people I knew were playing and lack of end game content

 

i feel that AoC lacks much more end game content

Originally posted by laresloci

I've just paid the $50.00 but I am not going into the game with a lot of high expectations. After all it's a only game...and not my life.

Its the principle.  Nobody is acting as if $50 is the end of the world.  However, if companies can deliver bad products and get away with it, the quality of future products is at risk.

Why do the fans of this game have such a big problem with people complaining here anyway?  If it bothers you, go and talk on AoC forums or just play.

Originally posted by laresloci

Originally posted by ethion

AoC failed to deliver on many fronts.  And while you can say, "well it didn't suck more then other new releases", that is a BS attitude and not true.  LoTR for example had a good launch.  I think consumers need to say something when a company ships a substandard product.  AoC is worse then most launchs. 

People coming to the forums looking for information on a new game deserve to have all the facts about a game the good and the bad.  People posting about the bad aspects of the game are providing a service to the community by letting people know what the state of the game is before they buy it that way when they buy it they don't have expectations that the game on the box and the game in the box match. 

I know that if I had read these forums before I bought the game I would have saved myself $50 and would in hindsight have been better off.

 

 

 

I've just paid the $50.00 but I am not going into the game with a lot of high expectations. After all it's a only game...and not my life.

And that is the entire point of my post.  You are going into the game informed that their are some issues and you can make a decision if that is something you want to do in spite of shortcomings.

BTW One can easily make the case that the $50 is worth it if you are in fact only getting a months worth of entertainment.  I logged over 120 hours playing and while if I knew what I do now I might not have spent that $50 I'm not going to say I didn't get a fair entertainment value for it.  In my book less then 50 cents per hour for entertainment is a good value.