I really should put this in the official VG forums but i'll put it here anyway. (I have posted this idea before.

This idea would attract players from games like EVE and people who are sick of enviorments that are "safe"

Makes it a world where anything can happen but at your own risk.

Without This it wont stop me from playing the game but it would be more awesome then i could say.

Now i know the game already has lots of bugs and shit wrong but what would make this game the ultimate one is if it had a PVP style like EVE online's. Those who have never played EVE should know its like security zones the further you are from big stations the lower the zone security status is. the lower it is the longer time Concord ( the police) take to get there. If you get so low into space that your in a negative security zone you are free kill. The penalty for killing in high sec is not only your ship getting powned but you will lose security rating if you get too low of a rating you wont be able to go near good NPCs and if you get soo low you will become "wanted" and have a bounty placed on your head. Thats what would make this game shine above every MMO out there. FFA is stupid cause there is no penalty for killing in front of hundreds of folks.now let me point out another thing, you can delcare war on other guilds in EVE thus allowing you to kill in the streets , it just puts things in perspective making it more real. FFA is basically just a giant PVP zone, Security zones and personal status would rock and make this game even better than it is now. ALOT BETTER!

No, it wouldn't.  VG has its fans and those fans are there for a reason.  Give kids the ability to come in and gank their carebear toons and the steadfast fans would leave.  We all already know that the pvp crowd is fickle.  VG should not cater to their wants and needs because they change more than carebears .  My opinion, even though I am not playing VG anymore.

i completely agree.. but it aint happening.. the good news is vg is already good tho

this should get done on Sartok, the PvP server.

Great idea

Apparently you've never actually played Eve.

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Originally posted by daeandor
No, it wouldn't. VG has its fans and those fans are there for a reason. Give kids the ability to come in and gank their carebear toons and the steadfast fans would leave. We all already know that the pvp crowd is fickle. VG should not cater to their wants and needs because they change more than carebears . My opinion, even though I am not playing VG anymore.

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LOL

It is obvious you havent played EVE. I try and picture a 8 year old flying a raven Powning people in low sec hahaha.

#1 A lone 8 year aint getting no raven for about 1 year all by himself.

#2 Anyone pissing around like that for too long and doing it to the wrong people is going to get a corp to beat his ass in no time.

It appears though you like a safe enviorment with the ability to get powerful against the world of NPC's. Which is fine.

I am not talking about FFA shit were you can kill at will, now that is where i can picture a kid laughing his rear end off wile killing some noob in Tursh.

anyone who does that should be immediately killed by NPC police lose all his geer and maybe a level or 2 for killing in high security.

See this is what i am talking about.No penalty for killing in a city is bull-shit. think about it just don't make sense.If your out in the wilderness exploring yeah okay nobody sees ya fine, thats why you dont go alone.

In EVE there is bounties on folks heads for killing too much even though they lost their ship something still possesses them to kill more innocents so eventually they get wanted and are KOS by "ANYONE" and some guy winds up finding him on the outskirts of space kills him and makes a shit-load for his bounty.

Does anyone get where i am going?

Would be great to see the PVP server get something like this, only reason i dont play EVE anymore is cause i hate the Genre can't stand slow fighting star treck stuff.Even thought the ships have good customization and all i really dont care for the Genre although since the rest of the game is awesome maybe i shouldn't care.

But hey i think this implemented on the FFA server would make the game rock.

Originally posted by Bedlem3342

 

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Originally posted by daeandor
No, it wouldn't. VG has its fans and those fans are there for a reason. Give kids the ability to come in and gank their carebear toons and the steadfast fans would leave. We all already know that the pvp crowd is fickle. VG should not cater to their wants and needs because they change more than carebears . My opinion, even though I am not playing VG anymore.

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LOL

It is obvious you havent played EVE. I try and picture a 8 year old flying a raven Powning people in low sec hahaha.

#1 A lone 8 year aint getting no raven for about 1 year all by himself.

#2 Anyone pissing around like that for too long and doing it to the wrong people is going to get a corp to beat his ass in no time.

It appears though you like a safe enviorment with the ability to get powerful against the world of NPC's. Which is fine.

I am not talking about FFA shit were you can kill at will, now that is where i can picture a kid laughing his rear end off wile killing some noob in Tursh.

anyone who does that should be immediately killed by NPC police lose all his geer and maybe a level or 2 for killing in high security.

See this is what i am talking about.No penalty for killing in a city is bull-shit. think about it just don't make sense.If your out in the wilderness exploring yeah okay nobody sees ya fine, thats why you dont go alone.

In EVE there is bounties on folks heads for killing too much even though they lost their ship something still possesses them to kill more innocents so eventually they get wanted and are KOS by "ANYONE" and some guy winds up finding him on the outskirts of space kills him and makes a shit-load for his bounty.

Does anyone get where i am going?

Would be great to see the PVP server get something like this, only reason i dont play EVE anymore is cause i hate the Genre can't stand slow fighting star treck stuff.Even thought the ships have good customization and all i really dont care for the Genre although since the rest of the game is awesome maybe i shouldn't care.

But hey i think this implemented on the FFA server would make the game rock.

I have 2x 25mil + sp toons in EVE if you care to come meet up with me sometime in 0.0, one of which I have played since 2004 (35mil SP).  VG environment does not play into EVE pvp setup.  Period.  EVE is good, but their mechanism does not easily apply to all other games.  Sure, they could make a whole new server with that type of ruleset, but my statement about VG fans stands:  the people who really like this game are not playing it for pvp.

Oh, and you obviously don't know EVE very well.  In order to outfit a new toon with a Raven completely decked out in tech II gear, it would take less than 90 days with +3 implants.  That's T2 cruise launchers, shield boosters, shield amps, hardeners, pdu's, CPU's... everything.  To have all the supporting skills to level 4 and some at 5, it would take about 4-5 months tops.  Oh, and people rarely "PWN" anyone in 0.0 in a Raven.

So you want to take the only decent pure PvE game left and turn it into a PvP gankfest?  no.

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Originally posted by daeandor

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Originally posted by Bedlem3342

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Originally posted by daeandor
No, it wouldn't. VG has its fans and those fans are there for a reason. Give kids the ability to come in and gank their carebear toons and the steadfast fans would leave. We all already know that the pvp crowd is fickle. VG should not cater to their wants and needs because they change more than carebears . My opinion, even though I am not playing VG anymore.

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LOL
It is obvious you havent played EVE. I try and picture a 8 year old flying a raven Powning people in low sec hahaha.
#1 A lone 8 year aint getting no raven for about 1 year all by himself.
#2 Anyone pissing around like that for too long and doing it to the wrong people is going to get a corp to beat his ass in no time.
It appears though you like a safe enviorment with the ability to get powerful against the world of NPC's. Which is fine.

I am not talking about FFA shit were you can kill at will, now that is where i can picture a kid laughing his rear end off wile killing some noob in Tursh.
anyone who does that should be immediately killed by NPC police lose all his geer and maybe a level or 2 for killing in high security.
See this is what i am talking about.No penalty for killing in a city is bull-shit. think about it just don't make sense.If your out in the wilderness exploring yeah okay nobody sees ya fine, thats why you dont go alone.
In EVE there is bounties on folks heads for killing too much even though they lost their ship something still possesses them to kill more innocents so eventually they get wanted and are KOS by "ANYONE" and some guy winds up finding him on the outskirts of space kills him and makes a shit-load for his bounty.
Does anyone get where i am going?
Would be great to see the PVP server get something like this, only reason i dont play EVE anymore is cause i hate the Genre can't stand slow fighting star treck stuff.Even thought the ships have good customization and all i really dont care for the Genre although since the rest of the game is awesome maybe i shouldn't care.
But hey i think this implemented on the FFA server would make the game rock.

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I have 2x 25mil + sp toons in EVE if you care to come meet up with me sometime in 0.0, one of which I have played since 2004 (35mil SP). VG environment does not play into EVE pvp setup. Period. EVE is good, but their mechanism does not easily apply to all other games. Sure, they could make a whole new server with that type of ruleset, but my statement about VG fans stands:the people who really like this game are not playing it for pvp.

Oh, and you obviously don't know EVE very well. In order to outfit a new toon with a Raven completely decked out in tech II gear, it would take less than 90 days with +3 implants. That's T2 cruise launchers, shield boosters, shield amps, hardeners, pdu's, CPU's... everything. To have all the supporting skills to level 4 and some at 5, it would take about 4-5 months tops. Oh, and people rarely "PWN" anyone in 0.0 in a Raven.

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Heh too bad i dont play it anymore, but i do have some friends who always are looking for a good fight.
My point with the raven joke was how long do you think it would take an 8 year old to figure something like that out all by himself?

let me ask you this question,if VG is for PVE and PVE only why is there a whole God damn server of PVP?

If you really played EVE and experienced the greatness of their PVP style you would agree that this would rock maybe on its own server sartok and at least allow the noobs to have their safe enviorment untill they get high enough lvl to be competitive.

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So you want to take the only decent pure PvE game left and turn it into a PvP gankfest? no.

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And a entire server in the game for PVP is suppose to mean that people can't stand PVP in VG LOL

Secondly one of my big points in the thread here is FFA sucks cause there is no penalty for killing in the open streets without a kill right or something.Makes it immpossible for new guys.

And you call FFA a gankfest? lol i guess i never realized heh my bad.

I'll tell VG you said so. They're sure to impliment the idea.

this idea is good but it should be only implemented in the pvp server or create a whole newserver based on this concept, if you set these rules on other servers, many of the fans who likes the game just the way it is will leave

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Originally posted by rasgrix
this idea is good but it should be only implemented in the pvp server or create a whole newserver based on this concept, if you set these rules on other servers, many of the fans who likes the game just the way it is will leave

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Bedlam,

By all means, keep responding.  I haven't had a good laugh like this at someone's expense in quite a while.  What is even more hilarious, is the fact that you don't even realize just how badly you are embarrassing yourself.

VG doesn't have the game mechanics to support EVE style game play. The core game play mechanics would need to be overhauled and it would need to move away from a level based system to a skill based system for such a system to work for various reasons.