Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

I only started playing recently but this game doesn't seem very good at all. It seems like a poor WoW clone with worse graphics and slower. I was really hyped to play this game after reading some good reports but playing it now just seems like a let down. It still seems buggy and nothing seems new or interesting.

Could anyone tell me what I should have to look forward too. Atm it just seems like the same old same old with a poor engine. I'm not here to slate the game but I feel a little let down after spending 12+hours patching it to find nothing new. I would love it if some experience gamers could let me know the big pros I should look forward to and aim for. Because as it is I'm really not sure if I have the patience to put in the hours for the same things I can find in another game. I'm a bit biased because my pc runs it ok but not as smooth as it could be and I might as well play a game where I can enjoy a smooth experince while putiing the time in.

I will be getting a new pc in the near (ish) future so if it's worthwhile I'd contine but as it stands it's not looking like a great investment of time. I feel bad asking this so early in playing but these are real concerns.

I can see you've played 3000 hours of WoW, that may have a little something to do with it.

Anyway, IMO VG is one of the best PvE games out there.  The crafting is pretty ineteresting, and it seems you were a little bit of a lower level before you reached it.  I found it rather addicting.

I am reaching the grind though, but at the moment it's the best thing I can find on the market (that is released). 

seriously dont even start to compare this to WoW if anything its an EQ clone. ......god im so sick of WoW fanbios....its getting so old.

Originally posted by zanfire

seriously dont even start to compare this to WoW if anything its an EQ clone. ......god im so sick of WoW fanbios....its getting so old.

WoW IS an EQ clone.  And VG is a WoW clone with worse art but more pixels.  It has nothing to do with being a WoW fanbios (which is an interesting word, I assume you meant fanboi). 

Once upon a time Vanguard was its own unique and interesting game.  Then beta testers complained about the game being too difficult in Beta 2 and then Sigil radically WoW-ified it from that point on.  The UI is virtually identical to WoW, at least on a superficial level.  The combat and gameplay were supposed to be unique in Vanguard but wound up being more typical MMO-fare (and by association, WoW-ified).  This game is A LOT like WoW.  With the exception of world design, diplomacy, and crafting there's very little to differentiate it except that WoW is 100x more polished.  Polish is something Vanguard severely lacks and will likely never get with the skeleton crew SOE has on the game. 

In fact, I would argue Vanguard has more in common with WoW than with EQ, in a lot of ways.  Vanguard's world design is probably what differentiates it the most from the two.

I would also argue that Vanguard has a lot going for it.  The game radically improved the healer experience in MMORPGs, especially clerics.  The ability to cast while moving certainly made casters far more interesting.  Diplomacy is hokey in my opinion and not a very good selling point except to the people that already enjoy it.  Crafting is probably the best since Horizons or SWG, but it's also tedious and also a minority selling point. 

 But most people like the OP are turned off by the game's lack of polish and all around amateurish appearance.  A lot of this is because Sigil was a company full of untalented amateurs (a lot of the devs were very talented, but if you know the history of the company and the game you know this sentence is true).  Vanguard is an okay game, with some amazing parts to it, but with a lot of ridiculously bad parts.  And then you add in the community (or what's left of it), some of whom still think this game is for "hardcore players" and the "anti-WoW" when nothing could be further from the truth, I can understand why people are reluctant to get into the game.

I recently restarted with the free time offer they gave out the other day.  And the very first thing I thought was "Either the people on the forums lied about how much the game has improved in the last year, or they're so used to mediocrity that they actually think this is improvement".  I'm leaning toward the latter.  I give SOE credit for keeping the game going and trying to improve it, but man do they have their work cut out for them.  Vanguard is a mess. 

Originally posted by Korusus

Originally posted by zanfire

seriously dont even start to compare this to WoW if anything its an EQ clone. ......god im so sick of WoW fanbios....its getting so old.

WoW IS an EQ clone.  And VG is a WoW clone with worse art but more pixels.  It has nothing to do with being a WoW fanbios (which is an interesting word, I assume you meant fanboi). 

Once upon a time Vanguard was its own unique and interesting game.  Then beta testers complained about the game being too difficult in Beta 2 and then Sigil radically WoW-ified it from that point on.  The UI is virtually identical to WoW, at least on a superficial level.  The combat and gameplay were supposed to be unique in Vanguard but wound up being more typical MMO-fare (and by association, WoW-ified).  This game is A LOT like WoW.  With the exception of world design, diplomacy, and crafting there's very little to differentiate it except that WoW is 100x more polished.  Polish is something Vanguard severely lacks and will likely never get with the skeleton crew SOE has on the game. 

In fact, I would argue Vanguard has more in common with WoW than with EQ, in a lot of ways.  Vanguard's world design is probably what differentiates it the most from the two.

I would also argue that Vanguard has a lot going for it.  The game radically improved the healer experience in MMORPGs, especially clerics.  The ability to cast while moving certainly made casters far more interesting.  Diplomacy is hokey in my opinion and not a very good selling point except to the people that already enjoy it.  Crafting is probably the best since Horizons or SWG, but it's also tedious and also a minority selling point. 

 But most people like the OP are turned off by the game's lack of polish and all around amateurish appearance.  A lot of this is because Sigil was a company full of untalented amateurs (a lot of the devs were very talented, but if you know the history of the company and the game you know this sentence is true).  Vanguard is an okay game, with some amazing parts to it, but with a lot of ridiculously bad parts.  And then you add in the community (or what's left of it), some of whom still think this game is for "hardcore players" and the "anti-WoW" when nothing could be further from the truth, I can understand why people are reluctant to get into the game.

I recently restarted with the free time offer they gave out the other day.  And the very first thing I thought was "Either the people on the forums lied about how much the game has improved in the last year, or they're so used to mediocrity that they actually think this is improvement".  I'm leaning toward the latter.  I give SOE credit for keeping the game going and trying to improve it, but man do they have their work cut out for them.  Vanguard is a mess. 

A lot of what you say I'd almost agree with...  I think any game in this generation could be called a wow clone very generally or maybe an eq2 clone since eq2 came out first ;)

I would say that I feel the combat system and characters in vg are better then wow so evolutionary?  I'd say wow has better customization, with eq2 being close and vg last.  But VG has some of the most interesting classes.

Wow is without question most polished and has some of the best artwork.

VG has some of the technically and visually most impressive environments.

Where VG blows wow apart is on breadth.  if you look at feature type list wow is a fraction of VG.

But where fun factor comes in I prefer eq2 most.  Wow is good too but the constant solo gameplay and quest grinding gets rather old for me.  VG is probably last on the overall fun factor.

but VG is probably first on the variety of things to do an entertainment factor.

If I was choosing a game to play my order would be EQ2, VG, Wow.  I currently play eq2 and VG and canceled my wow account last month, actually the last active day was like 3 days ago.  I haven't played in over a month and mostly had it active for my daughter who is now playing VG....

Attack of wow fanboys ?

Vg is a wow clone, even Eve online is a wow clone, Roma victor is a wow clone,  my computer is a wow clone, I'm a wow clone, my dog is a wow clone, my car is also a wow clone, my house is a wow clone i eat wow clones, i sleep on wow clones, i don't even have an Ipod but listening MP3 with a wow clone...

Thanks for this interesting thread.

A Wow clone

OP's xfire signature shows that he spend 3000+ hours playing WoW and  a vast majority of VG players could not stand WoW for 3 hours...Ask on the official forum if you don't believe...

No my friend VG is totally not for you.

can i use this oppurtunity to ask if there is a way to get a free trail account to test the game?