Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by Zorvan

Nah, they can keep the forums. Just remove the links to Aventurine, the hype meters and the game from the game list, like they did with Mourning, Thrones of Chaos, and Star Trek: Online.
 

 

Heh, I wish I was there for those forum days....they seemed intense

 

Oh they were!!!

 

Then MMORPG.com's new staff reared their ugly head and locked the most famous MMO thread in the site's history... a multi-year thread about 1 singular game with Developers from 4 different controlling companies and history of links and information.

I remember posting in that thread awhile back, but it got deleted

I may not have been there for that, but I'll be there for the rest of DF!

Now how long this will go on for is something only time will tell

Originally posted by Friction2u

 

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and the latest BS about the 30-60 fps with a battle of hundreds of people, makes me trust the developers even less. On an average machine with the graphics this game has is complete BS. And im surprised anybody believed him.

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You need to broaden your gaming horizons somewhat. There are a lot of games that can display a battle with a couple of hundred peeps with good frame-rates. Operation Flashpoint and Mount & Blade (with a battle sizer mod) come to mid. WW2Online even. Of course most mmorpg's can't do that because everyone wants to sculpt their character's faces etc 'just so' with oodles of slider bars. Having one head model rendered 200 times on screen takes less computing power than 200 different head models rendered all at once on the screen.

We already know from past dev updates that those levels of character customisation have been sacrificed for better performance. Performance is everything to them. I suspect that creating your character's face in Darkfall will be little more than choosing a face texture that gets slapped on a standard head model.

 

lol your comparing Mount&Blade and WW2Online graphics to DF ... thats cute .... And on a average machine if you made a 200vs200 battle in M&B YOU WOULD NOT GET 30-60 FPS. You would need a pretty good machine to do that. This game i can already tell will fail, just due to the fact they havent properly tested it, and if they do release this year. I sense a Vangaurd epic fail release.
 

The only actual MMOG that Friction mentioned was WWIIOL.  And it sure as hell does not handle large battles well.   I played it at launch and for a few years after.  I have given it a try a few times since, though not very recently.  The WWIIOL client back then limited the number of chars displayed to 64 maximum.  Any additional characters were just not displayed by your client. (Here is the kicker - some of those players that are invisible to you, may be able to see and kill you.)  Now, I know they were talking about increasing that to 128, but I very much doubt it is beyond that number.  Even so, lag was bad, especially as infantry trying to engage infantry. 

Here is the WWIIOL wiki entry regarding the visibility limit - though they dont give hard numbers for each setting:

http://wiki.wwiionline.com/index.php/Visibility_limit

I also played WW2 online from launch for 5 years, and what theogrim says is true, anyone who has actually played WW2 online knows that this statement from Tasos is extremely dubious.

"We’ve been simulating massive battles and sieges with more than two hundred characters and getting a good 30-60 fps on average machines so far. Under normal loads we typically get over 150 fps and there are still several optimizations to be made so we expect these figures to improve quite a bit."

This seems much more likely in my opinion.

"We’ve been testing massive battles and sieges with more than two hundred players and getting a good 3-6 fps on average machines so far. Under normal loads we typically get over 15 fps and there are still several optimizations to be made so we expect these figures to improve quite a bit."

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by Zorvan

Nah, they can keep the forums. Just remove the links to Aventurine, the hype meters and the game from the game list, like they did with Mourning, Thrones of Chaos, and Star Trek: Online.
 

 

Heh, I wish I was there for those forum days....they seemed intense

 

Oh they were!!!

 

Then MMORPG.com's new staff reared their ugly head and locked the most famous MMO thread in the site's history... a multi-year thread about 1 singular game with Developers from 4 different controlling companies and history of links and information.

its BS that they locked it, it wasnt being derailed or trolled, there was no flame wars except the massive one against colton and Mourning. But w.e i cant remember the last time i ever agreed with the forum mods here.

I had to vote "yes" on a 2008 release. Nothing personal or anything, i just want to play a MMO as DF as soon as possibly.

Right now i have nothing to play (MMOs) and i feel i deserve something.

Originally posted by daarco

I had to vote "yes" on a 2008 release. Nothing personal or anything, i just want to play a MMO as DF as soon as possibly.

Right now i have nothing to play (MMOs) and i feel i deserve something.

You get points for an honest answer.  I cant argue with that.  If you believe it will release just because you want it to, that is your right.  At least you are not making up reasons that I could argue about.  :P

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Your're right. However since I could see people actually playing them at E3 and other public places including major gamesites/magazines, I at least knew those games existed, and that there would be something eventually released.

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You're comparing Darkfall with big budget titles like AoC and WAR there. You really should be comparing Aventurine to other small outfits like the people behind Mortal or Fallen Earth etc.

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along with the vaporware bashing they've already started getting from major sites,

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One guy cries "poopy" ... then all the other idiots cry "poopy" too because they want to be in the cool crowd. That sums up the vapour-callers nicely I think.

Darkfall does not deserve it's "Vaporware" label. What sparked it was Aventurine taking over Razorwax five years ago or so and starting pretty much from scratch. All the poor emo kiddies then went off to in their bedrooms and shout "vaporware" because they had to wait for a bit longer.

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and get them to show something more than screenshots that look like renders and videos which show nothing of any substance that could've been made with Blender on a bored Sunday afternoon.

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Funny ... they look like in-game screenshots and in-game videos to me.

What's more likely, a game developer releasing vids and pics of the game that they've been working on for five years ... or a developer that has to fake in-game images because they have done nothing after five years?

And why would anyone use Blender? It's a user unfriendly piece of crap.

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Oh, I offer a very big prize. If noone can tell, I tend to have a very big ego.

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Why would I care about your personal faults?

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So if this game were to actually launch in any kind of functional and playable state with even half of everything they've promised,

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No, you'll just do what the trolls do in the AoC forums and claim that it isn't functional or playable. What's playable is up to personal opinion.

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I would be taking a major blow from having to admit how wrong I was. Hell, I may have to leave the forums forever as the shame of it all would be too great.

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Don't go emo on me. Where's your balls? (I have first dibs on your left one remember)

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So we'll do this:

 

No Darkfall in 2008, kick it and Aventurine to the curb.

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No. As long as there is evidence that Darkfall is undergoing development it will remain here on mmorpg. I'm sure the mmorpg administrators will remove it if it stops development. They don't need Vapor-trolls and bored haters telling them what to do.

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Darkfall releases in 2008, I'll leave and even retire my moniker which I use in more places than just this one, after apologizing profusely to the fanbois for my lack of faith.

 

Fair enough?

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Why would we care what one vapor-troll does? You're an anonymous person on a forum. The only thing that distinguishes you from everyone else here is the size of your sig. [sarcasm] Oh, no! Your sig will no longer be seen on forums! How terrible! [/sarcasm]

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by Friction2u

 

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and the latest BS about the 30-60 fps with a battle of hundreds of people, makes me trust the developers even less. On an average machine with the graphics this game has is complete BS. And im surprised anybody believed him.

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You need to broaden your gaming horizons somewhat. There are a lot of games that can display a battle with a couple of hundred peeps with good frame-rates. Operation Flashpoint and Mount & Blade (with a battle sizer mod) come to mid. WW2Online even. Of course most mmorpg's can't do that because everyone wants to sculpt their character's faces etc 'just so' with oodles of slider bars. Having one head model rendered 200 times on screen takes less computing power than 200 different head models rendered all at once on the screen.

We already know from past dev updates that those levels of character customisation have been sacrificed for better performance. Performance is everything to them. I suspect that creating your character's face in Darkfall will be little more than choosing a face texture that gets slapped on a standard head model.

 

 

Those graphics are pretty damned good Friction.  They're not great, but having the ability to get 150FPS everywhere and 30-60FPS with 200v200 battles on an average PC in a seamless world is rediculous.

It had never been done before in any MMOs before.  You can see games struggling to even get 100v100 battles, let alone 200v200 on average computers!

Not only that, but if you take DarkFall's AI, graphics, and seamless world into effect, it just makes it more and more unlikely that they actually have the ability to do this.  Until they actually prove all of these big statements, I refuse to believe anythign that Tasos says.

They claim to release inside of 2008 so we shall see. But don't take the screenshots to mean THAT will be what the graphics will look like in large battles. If they're scaling the graphics like in well optimised games then they will cut down poly-counts and texture sizes automatically.

We'll see.

I voted yes, on a hunch and hope that they do finally pull it off.  No, I've seen nothing to really support that belief, but one can hope.

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by Friction2u

 

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and the latest BS about the 30-60 fps with a battle of hundreds of people, makes me trust the developers even less. On an average machine with the graphics this game has is complete BS. And im surprised anybody believed him.

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You need to broaden your gaming horizons somewhat. There are a lot of games that can display a battle with a couple of hundred peeps with good frame-rates. Operation Flashpoint and Mount & Blade (with a battle sizer mod) come to mid. WW2Online even. Of course most mmorpg's can't do that because everyone wants to sculpt their character's faces etc 'just so' with oodles of slider bars. Having one head model rendered 200 times on screen takes less computing power than 200 different head models rendered all at once on the screen.

We already know from past dev updates that those levels of character customisation have been sacrificed for better performance. Performance is everything to them. I suspect that creating your character's face in Darkfall will be little more than choosing a face texture that gets slapped on a standard head model.

 

lol your comparing Mount&Blade and WW2Online graphics to DF ... thats cute .... And on a average machine if you made a 200vs200 battle in M&B YOU WOULD NOT GET 30-60 FPS. You would need a pretty good machine to do that. This game i can already tell will fail, just due to the fact they havent properly tested it, and if they do release this year. I sense a Vangaurd epic fail release.
 

Using the battle sizer utility, the biggest battles I've played in M&B are 100 vs 100 battles and I still get good frame rates (30-40 fps according to fraps).

Having said that my computer does not suck. People with sucky computers are stuck with playing  WoW.

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by Zorvan

Nah, they can keep the forums. Just remove the links to Aventurine, the hype meters and the game from the game list, like they did with Mourning, Thrones of Chaos, and Star Trek: Online.
 

 

Heh, I wish I was there for those forum days....they seemed intense

 

Oh they were!!!

 

Then MMORPG.com's new staff reared their ugly head and locked the most famous MMO thread in the site's history... a multi-year thread about 1 singular game with Developers from 4 different controlling companies and history of links and information.

 

its BS that they locked it, it wasnt being derailed or trolled, there was no flame wars except the massive one against colton and Mourning. But w.e i cant remember the last time i ever agreed with the forum mods here.

The thread in question was locked recently due to a number of posts that shared a user's personal, private information without the users consent.  These posts were of course deleted, thus why you probably didn't see them :).  The thread may be unlocked in the future, once the air has had some time to clear.  We understand and respect the importance of that thread, and thus it was locked and not deleted, but the privacy and security of all of our users is of utmost value.

Originally posted by Taera

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by Zorvan

Nah, they can keep the forums. Just remove the links to Aventurine, the hype meters and the game from the game list, like they did with Mourning, Thrones of Chaos, and Star Trek: Online.
 

 

Heh, I wish I was there for those forum days....they seemed intense

 

Oh they were!!!

 

Then MMORPG.com's new staff reared their ugly head and locked the most famous MMO thread in the site's history... a multi-year thread about 1 singular game with Developers from 4 different controlling companies and history of links and information.

 

its BS that they locked it, it wasnt being derailed or trolled, there was no flame wars except the massive one against colton and Mourning. But w.e i cant remember the last time i ever agreed with the forum mods here.

 

The thread in question was locked recently due to a number of posts that shared a user's personal, private information without the users consent.  These posts were of course deleted, thus why you probably didn't see them :).  The thread may be unlocked in the future, once the air has had some time to clear.  We understand and respect the importance of that thread, and thus it was locked and not deleted, but the privacy and security of all of our users is of utmost value.

No offense, the "user" in question admitted in multiple places to having several accounts.  The original person the thread fought against (Egomancer) tried to sue MMORPG.com for private information multiple times in order to shut that thread, and other similar threads, down.

The new user was a little more slick with his dealings with MMORPG.com, even then Dana Massey saw through the veil and left the thread open for more information to be posted.  Even with ads for the new title everywhere, Dana stood fast and allowed the thread to continue.

It's not about "private information" anymore.  If they post the information on public websites, it ceases to be private information... it's now about Freedom of Information existing elsewhere.

I don't recall my private information (including my address) getting locked on this website when Rapid Reality folded... I'm still here though, under the same handle (as Zorvan will remember)... wiser for the taking.

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Originally posted by Taera

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by Zorvan

Nah, they can keep the forums. Just remove the links to Aventurine, the hype meters and the game from the game list, like they did with Mourning, Thrones of Chaos, and Star Trek: Online.
 

 

Heh, I wish I was there for those forum days....they seemed intense

 

Oh they were!!!

 

Then MMORPG.com's new staff reared their ugly head and locked the most famous MMO thread in the site's history... a multi-year thread about 1 singular game with Developers from 4 different controlling companies and history of links and information.

 

its BS that they locked it, it wasnt being derailed or trolled, there was no flame wars except the massive one against colton and Mourning. But w.e i cant remember the last time i ever agreed with the forum mods here.

 

The thread in question was locked recently due to a number of posts that shared a user's personal, private information without the users consent.  These posts were of course deleted, thus why you probably didn't see them :).  The thread may be unlocked in the future, once the air has had some time to clear.  We understand and respect the importance of that thread, and thus it was locked and not deleted, but the privacy and security of all of our users is of utmost value.

No offense, the "user" in question admitted in multiple places to having several accounts.  The original person the thread fought against (Egomancer) tried to sue MMORPG.com for private information multiple times in order to shut that thread, and other similar threads, down.

The new user was a little more slick with his dealings with MMORPG.com, even then Dana Massey saw through the veil and left the thread open for more information to be posted.  Even with ads for the new title everywhere, Dana stood fast and allowed the thread to continue.

 

It's not about "private information" anymore.  If they post the information on public websites, it ceases to be private information... it's now about Freedom of Information existing elsewhere.

I don't recall my private information (including my address) getting locked on this website when Rapid Reality folded... I'm still here though, under the same handle (as Zorvan will remember)... wiser for the taking.

I agree CG.  That thread was very highly moderated.

The topic, before it got locked, was about how the devs werre harrassing this one person (cannot remember his name).  I said "Wow, it's amazing what Google can do these days" and it was deleted.  Hell, threads were getting deleted constantly in that thread.

Nothing bad was happening.  He was telling us of all of the work he had done, sharing information about what had happened, and it got locked.  And as you said, it was nothing private anymore.  People could have easily founded it out in 5 minutes.

NOT only that, but we did not even recieve a warning (within the month before it was locked) to be more careful.  It was locked on a knee jerk reaction.

Things were much worse when you were around, and after reading through some of the pages, they were hardly comparable to the things that went on near the end (April, March '08). 

WE should have at least been given a warning, let alone the thread just getting locked.

..no offence, and forgive me if I did sound offensive.

Nope.

According to Tasos in the june 20th update:-

"Things are going well with the game testing and with the publishing activities. There are no serious problems to speak of, and we’re on schedule with our milestones."

Apparently so far the developers themselves at least are still confident Darkfall will release inside 2008.

(Assuming of course these milestones are still public beta and release, and that the schedule is still for some time this year.)

Originally posted by Taera

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by CaesarsGhost

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by Zorvan

Nah, they can keep the forums. Just remove the links to Aventurine, the hype meters and the game from the game list, like they did with Mourning, Thrones of Chaos, and Star Trek: Online.
 

 

Heh, I wish I was there for those forum days....they seemed intense

 

Oh they were!!!

 

Then MMORPG.com's new staff reared their ugly head and locked the most famous MMO thread in the site's history... a multi-year thread about 1 singular game with Developers from 4 different controlling companies and history of links and information.

 

its BS that they locked it, it wasnt being derailed or trolled, there was no flame wars except the massive one against colton and Mourning. But w.e i cant remember the last time i ever agreed with the forum mods here.

 

The thread in question was locked recently due to a number of posts that shared a user's personal, private information without the users consent.  These posts were of course deleted, thus why you probably didn't see them :).  The thread may be unlocked in the future, once the air has had some time to clear.  We understand and respect the importance of that thread, and thus it was locked and not deleted, but the privacy and security of all of our users is of utmost value.

mm good answer. It's good to hear it might be reopened.

lol like that thread matters..  its like 17 years old and no game even exists for that...  not to mention 90% of it is filled with broken links and old hearsay..

Originally posted by Polarization

 According to Tasos in the june 20th update:-

"Things are going well with the game testing and with the publishing activities. There are no serious problems to speak of, and we’re on schedule with our milestones."

 

 Apparently so far the developers themselves at least are still confident Darkfall will release inside 2008.

(Assuming of course these milestones are still public beta and release, and that the schedule is still for some time this year.)

DnL dev's were real confident for launching after they released SoG too.  eheheheeheh

You.. haven't read much about Dark and light right..? Nor you know shite about DF troll. 17years? Try to be exaggerating it more.. like 100years, works much better to smell your irony :-p

Anyhow, IF it's released this yeah, that would be awesome. If not, meh.. Then we are back to last year :p

I don't really care much about darkfall anymore, ive followed it too long to even bother nowadays. But i'll check if it's released this year anyhow.

Im more interested in what blizzard have to announce at saturday :p

Originally posted by Bakoryo

You.. haven't read much about Dark and light right..? Nor you know shite about DF troll. 17years? Try to be exaggerating it more.. like 100years, works much better to smell your irony :-p

Not much of an exaggeration considering its been 13 years, if you count from when Claus said he started planning Darkfall in 1995.

Anyhow, IF it's released this yeah, that would be awesome. If not, meh.. Then we are back to last year :p

I think it will be interesting to see what happens either way, but it wont definitely be awesome just becuase its released.

I don't really care much about darkfall anymore, ive followed it too long to even bother nowadays. But i'll check if it's released this year anyhow.

I don't believe that you dont really care much about Darkfall anymore, becuase you're still bothered enough to be reading and making post's about Darkfall, planning to check if it's released and defending the game and calling people who are critical of it "trolls".

Im more interested in what blizzard have to announce at saturday :p