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6/22/08 10:13:57 AM#61
Originally posted by Daffid011
WoW so many doubles standards here.
I seem to recall talking to you about everything that was being written about Vangaurd and you just would not hear of it, because you were the only person on the planet to run Vangaurd on max from day one without a single problem in the game. How funny now you can point out the flaws in another game, because of what you read? As for you not paying money to people that don't reveal that nature of their games or fix things until they are forced to by player complaints... You do realize your Vanguard subscription goes to SOE right? I'm not saying Funcom doesn't deserve to get thrashed for their ethics in launching the game, you can't make those kind of statements when you pay money to a company ten times worse. For that matter I don't recall Sigil running any adds saying just how unfinished Vanguard was at launch. Wouldn't that mean you have payed money to two different companies doing the same thing?
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6/22/08 12:13:17 PM#62
Eh AoC is a let down for me. Until lvl50-55 its nice, enough quests that your lvling is smooth. Past that is a grindfest. At lvl55 i have 2 quests which are orange and red(group q) and shitload of green/yellow quests in a public instance (main system/cistern) where trash respawns ever 2min and bosses need 1h+ to respawn. And with many 6men groups in there, you must be very lucky to get the kill. Not to mention FPS drops. And the zones are really restricting and linear and i dont get that freedom feeling that i got in WoW. Not to mention lack of conent. 1 lvl50-60 zone, 2 lvl60-70 zone where you get enough quests to gain a lvl or two and then you need to grind your brains out. |
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6/22/08 12:21:49 PM#63
Originally posted by jsvete
Obviously they completely under estimated or had poor idea of "Levelnomics". Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands? ~Ernest Gaines |
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6/22/08 1:52:36 PM#64
Originally posted by swede2
Swede2 First I want to say Im not against Vanguard or AoC, but I think you got it. From level 1 to 30 solo content in Age of Conan is a bit easy ( it deppends a bit on wich class you are playing ). After 40 dungeons and Raids in AoC are indeed harder than VG, in VG I was able to do raid content ( not APW ) with a good group, see beside pulls and respawn rating, VG doesnt have much challenge in dungeons and group ocasions, dungeons in Age of Conan and Everquest 2 require more than just good pulls. After level 50 Age of Conan has less content than AoC in 1-30, but it has much more adventure content than Vanguard after level 30, see, the only way to know is experiencing both games. What you are talking about AoC is the same ( or even worst ) with Vanguard, for how long they are fooling us with the new models? The starting area ? See, it is cool now say AoC is a crappy game, it was the same ( and in some way it is the same ) with Vanguard. Vanguard can be at times more time consuming than AoC and EQ2, but it has less challenge. |
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6/22/08 2:01:58 PM#65
Originally posted by Zorndorf
You do realize if you are telling AoC is the worst launch in MMO history you are lying or just dont know much about MMO history, right? But I agree it is a curious fight, between 2 games with good artstyle, very good music, gameplay, a mature and deep lore and very cool classes. At least 2 games with atmosphere, some people ( the majority ) will prefer something like WoW, some other people just need more than the simple cliche. See, some people just need bland action movies, tv shows, cartoons... and WoW...some other people just need more...you should be glad we can play Vanguard, Age of Conan, DDO, EvE etc ... |
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6/22/08 3:00:53 PM#66
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6/22/08 3:32:20 PM#67
Originally posted by etwynn
Yeah, this.
hmm it seems AoC is way more MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER(population) than Vanguard, but Im sure that the above statement makes sense to the Vanbois. ------------------------------------------------ |
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6/22/08 6:16:35 PM#68
Originally posted by Kenze
hmm it seems AoC is way more MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER(population) than Vanguard, but Im sure that the above statement makes sense to the Vanbois.
Well it would depend on how you want to look at your own statement,yes AoC atm has more of a population but as all there zones are instanced and only hold a certain number of ppl before a new instance opens then your statement is wrong as Vanguard has no such instances so therefore is the more massive multiplayer game. |
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6/22/08 6:19:04 PM#69
Originally posted by daylight01
hmm it seems AoC is way more MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER(population) than Vanguard, but Im sure that the above statement makes sense to the Vanbois.
Well it would depend on how you want to look at your own statement,yes AoC atm has more of a population but as all there zones are instanced and only hold a certain number of ppl before a new instance opens then your staement is wrong as Vanguard has no such instances so therefore is the more massive multiplayer game. lol you guys are hilarious. Id wager that each AoC Instance has more people than 3 or 4 VG "chunks" combined. So I still dont see the validity of the statement ------------------------------------------------ |
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6/22/08 6:23:16 PM#70
Originally posted by Kenze
Well it would depend on how you want to look at your own statement,yes AoC atm has more of a population but as all there zones are instanced and only hold a certain number of ppl before a new instance opens then your staement is wrong as Vanguard has no such instances so therefore is the more massive multiplayer game. lol you guys are hilarious. Id wager that each AoC Instance has more people than 3 or 4 VG "chunks" combined. So I still dont see the validity of the statement
I aint here to argue on who has the biggest,I am simply saying your orginal quote was wrong..Vg is an open mmo where as AoC has set amounts to its zones so is not as you put it "way more massively multiplayer"It does have a bigger population but that is 2 different things. |
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6/22/08 6:33:54 PM#71
Wow, I cant believe this thread is still active.. |
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6/23/08 1:00:10 AM#72
Originally posted by Daffid011
I find this whole VG >< AoC thread amusing and decpetive, because it is two games that suffer from nearly the same exact problems of being rushed out the door prematurely. VG players coming here to try to boost the image of their game by tearing down AoC is dishonest at best. VG is what it is regardless of how well AoC is doing.
Huge world to "explore", yeah right. I love the fact that VG isn't instanced,looks big without zone walls and gives a great feeling of an open world, but what is there to explore? Everything is neatly spelled out for you on the mini map. Every dungeon has its exact location marked with handly little tooltip information, quest objectives are the same, major towns, etc, etc. Exploring implies discovery and neither game offers it. The only difference is in one game you don't have load screens between following a preset path to the destination that is handed to you. I haven't gotten far enough in AoC to criticize it for lack of exploration, but VG doesn't really have much to "discover" except a few hidden quest givers here and there.
Diplomacy has been tabled after SOE admitted it needs a lot of work which it is not likely to ever get. Once you have a few cards diplomacy plays almost the exact same way every single time. Sure you can level it to 50 once you max your character level, but whats the point other that to gain more levels. Crafting might be "deeper", but it is just more button clicking padded on top of typical MMO crafting. It isn't some hot selling point like the crafting in SWG was. Maybe for a small few who want more time between item creations I guess.
All this talk of VG being something you play long haul is silly. VGs development has effectively stopped. SOE is content letting it wither away. They don't promote the game like they do with their EQ sweethearts. There is likely to never be an expansion and I would bet the content if VG is almost the exact same in one year as it is now, save a few new overloand boss encounters. As it stands right now VG is only a game to play if you are looking to fill a few months time before you see the credits scroll and the game ends. Lets face it, neither VG of AoC has enough content to offer much of a future once you play for a couple of months. The only difference is that AoC still has a chance to make enough to satisfy people in the long run. VG is already spent and the team slashed to maintenance mode already. Not to say that I think the future is exceptional for AoC either. It sounds like funcom missed the mark from what I read, but I can't really say yet from experience.
Dude, there are so many little secret areas in Vanguard, all kinds of mini dungeons that no one knows about, that you can't find on any spoiler site. This game is the best game I have ever played in terms "off the beaten path" exploration. It seems most people just think "who cares what is over that invisible wall, the quest giver is over here!" anymore. My biggest gripe about AoC is how shallow and tiny the game is. That is where the AoC/VG comparison comes in. Because Vanguard is everything AoC is not. |
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Autodidact82
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Joined: 2/12/08
"Sleep on...fly on. |
6/23/08 3:59:48 AM#73
Wow... majority of the AoC fanboys here have shown major ignorance bout VG... Im more lead to believe their getting even worse then WoW fanboys.... which is pathetic.
I'll keep welcoming all the AoC players quiting and coming to VG |
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6/23/08 4:23:05 AM#74
I would be happy to join if i could just try the game first via free trial or buddy key. I just dont want to make the same mistake as i did with AoC where i spent 70eur on CE edition. Plus i cant find Vanguard in any of the online stores here in my country (dont have mastercard/visa). |
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lupisenparis
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Joined: 11/22/05
To make a difference isnt right or wrong, it is rather to differ--me |
6/23/08 4:46:17 AM#75
If AoC isnt ready to be fully enjoyed yet then I dont see why a person couldnt temporarily move to vanguard for the time being. What I dont understand is why is there 'roid rage coming from cookie cutter pvpers? yea yea yea pvp can be fun but it doesnt mean to go and get a high n tight hair cut. |
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6/23/08 2:23:22 PM#76
Originally posted by Autodidact82
But a lot of people that really knows both games made a lot of realistic afirmations. I have the impression you are trying to generalize everyone that doesnt agree with you, even people that is able to realize Vanguard´s flaws and qualities and Age of Conan´s flaws and qualities. The idea of Vanguard is perfect and AoC is crappy is worse than any WoW fanboism... ... |
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6/23/08 4:45:59 PM#77
Originally posted by ghettobooste
It was my experience that those secret little mini dungeons eventually get pointed to by some quest or another. I found the exploration cheapened when almost every major interest is spelled out as a waypoint on the map. Hit a new level and new waypoints with information are automatically added. Get a quest to do something interesting? Just open the map and travel to the X pre-marked for you by the quest giver. Hover the mouse over the marks to find out information about it... Blah. Same thing in Conan. I agree with your that is seems most players now just want instant information and ignore anything off the beaten path. However I don't really want a built in alakhzams/wowhead site built into the games interface. It really does cheapen the thrill of exploring IMHO.
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6/23/08 5:43:27 PM#78
Lol, Being an old git it does make me smile at all the.. my games better than yours crap. I'm thinking its the opposite, theres a fantastic selection out there, and to me its nearly all great stuff. Heh.. I played original EQ which some still hanker for... square heads and rats that go ouch! cause they had'nt fixed the sound.But it was something new. Played AoC for awhile, awesome graphis and great action, but am going back to Vanguard for a bit. Beautiful world (respect Keith Parkinson RiP) and no instancing... great community as well... there all good but not enough time ...... |
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Autodidact82
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Joined: 2/12/08
"Sleep on...fly on. |
6/23/08 7:01:18 PM#79
Originally posted by Umbral
But a lot of people that really knows both games made a lot of realistic afirmations. I have the impression you are trying to generalize everyone that doesnt agree with you, even people that is able to realize Vanguard´s flaws and qualities and Age of Conan´s flaws and qualities. The idea of Vanguard is perfect and AoC is crappy is worse than any WoW fanboism... ... God... you made me want to slam my head into a wall real fricken hard. I never said VG is perfect and AoC is crappy. I realize and understand both games flaws and qualities. But when i said the MAJORITY (not meaning all) of the AoC fanboys, bitching bout stuff in VG, that's not even in the game anymore. Let's me know their still stuck on a year ago. And when someone simply talks bout how he likes VG better then AoC... the vultures are quick to judge and bash VG right away. Which is bad as WoW fanboyism. |
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6/23/08 7:42:35 PM#80
I understand Autodidact82, but this topic was posted on AoC forum in a provocative way, if you take this detail and read the OP, you should realize we cant blame the AoC crowd. VG crowd is bashing AoC too.... well, anyway, Im glad I can play both games. |
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and well said!
