Age of Conan

Originally posted by ThaneB

Originally posted by Gishgeron

 

  To comment on this part.....

  Killing the lairs....sucked.  However, watching my avatar grow in the areas I specifically targeted once the lair was GONE.....awesome.   But, here is the thing.  The lairs?  They were quests.  Yeah, quests.  What exactly makes THAT experience so different from the rest of the MMO world's "Kill X boars" quests?  Its not like these other games are constantly offering tales of epic proportions here....in any given MMO, for each "Go do something AWESOME" quest you have 500 "Go do something really crappy for a few hours and then run across teh globe 5 times to 5 different people to gain less than a 10th of your level" quests.

  Quests do not actually make ANYTHING more fun.  At best, they trick really dumb people into thinking they aren't still just grinding mobs.  The rest of us still view it as "grinding mobs"....we just get an xp bonus for talking to someone before we went.

 

 

  Also, not to attack you or anything (I honestly just got a chuckle and wanted to share it)....but if you went to Tatooine (a desert planet) and expected to see anything BUT rocks and sand for miles...you perhaps expected the wrong thing.  I do agree that they used WAY large maps to be free for player housing.

 

It is different actually, because not all quests in other mmorpgs are the simple kill ? get ? quests. SWG on the other hand only has those types of quests. Other mmorpgs actually have some quests with storylines.  Don't get me wrong I used to love SWG, but it had problems. It wasn't perfect, like almost everyone claims.

Do I need to use a planet other than Tatooine as an example? Go back to any planet in SWG if you haven't quit SWG and search every planet. They are all barren. The only planet with vegetation is Naboo.

Our discussion is clearly becoming this isn't the SWG forums.

  Oh, I'm aware (and even said so in the post).  I didn't intend to roll into an actual SWG debate...I really just wanted to tear into the ideal that any game uses a quest system that is anything more than grind-redefined.  You can name any game you want, I'll gladly show you 10 "sucky" quests for each "awesome" one you provide me.

If Funcom can't come out with a game that works and has all featured content why should consumers not hate on them?

Originally posted by Gishgeron

 

  Interesting that you quoted me and then put words into my mouth.  I do not recall saying ANYONE (besides myself...and even then such a thing could only be inferred from my post, as I did not actually STATE such a thing) hated the game.  

  I've also never given a review of the game.  More so, I have not given a completely negative OPINION of the game either.  In fact, most times my "opinions" are focused on the company behind the game rather than the game itself, even.  If you'd like, I can classify my hate into two separate levels.

  A:  I hate Funcom (on principle) for ______ reasons.

  B:  I greatly dislike AoC for many design reasons.  I also dislike how they launched the game, and the quality therein.  But, and this is important, I actually defer THAT dislike back into column A as it pertains more to my hate of the company (for making such choices and failing on so many promises) than it does to my dislike of the game.

  The post you quoted was me being glad that someone finally attacked AoC from a design level (which is what I did initially, as the game was openly walking down a path which removes it from being anything LIKE the PvP experience they promised for years) instead just whining about release issues (which are important, and justified things to whine about). 

You called the game a "tread mill" mmo that is a review. You were calling the mmo crap. I haven't read any of your other posts how am I supposed to know that you don't just write completely negative reviews of AoC. The only evidence I have is the post you have in this thread. Do you expect me to read all your posts in this forum? What the heck man I've got a life.

Originally posted by brostyn

If Funcom can't come out with a game that works and has all featured content why should consumers not hate on them?

Take out the part that says AoC dosen't work and then you will have an excellent argument.

Originally posted by twistedvenom

I would like to say that AOC is a good game that will only get better with time.

Yes I understand why alot of people would get upset with the bugs, bugs and more bugs in the game.

Yes I understand where we as gamers spend money on a game and we get a game thats not all the way done.  It would be like ordering a uncooked food and told to eat.

be honest  people this game is fun and it not like Funcom is not trying to fix it.  Unlike TR, who knows what they are doing over there.  Funcom is giving the gamers at least 2 patches a week!!! 

For me that shows they are trying to make it right. For me that shows that the DEVS are working thier butts off.

Should they have waited a little longer?

I would say yes.

All in all I'm having fun most of the time.

So why so much Hate for the game? 

thanks,

Actually, the reason why AoC sucks is because it's NOT a TRUE MMORPG. Why create a MMORPG where the characters can pretty much accomplish EVERYTHING on their own. It plays more like a single player rpg, than a MMO, so the replay value and features many people like in MMO's are NOT in AoC. This is why it fails. Its a heavily instanced platform RPG, not a MMORPG....thats the problem.

Originally posted by ThaneB

Originally posted by Gishgeron

 

  Interesting that you quoted me and then put words into my mouth.  I do not recall saying ANYONE (besides myself...and even then such a thing could only be inferred from my post, as I did not actually STATE such a thing) hated the game.  

  I've also never given a review of the game.  More so, I have not given a completely negative OPINION of the game either.  In fact, most times my "opinions" are focused on the company behind the game rather than the game itself, even.  If you'd like, I can classify my hate into two separate levels.

  A:  I hate Funcom (on principle) for ______ reasons.

  B:  I greatly dislike AoC for many design reasons.  I also dislike how they launched the game, and the quality therein.  But, and this is important, I actually defer THAT dislike back into column A as it pertains more to my hate of the company (for making such choices and failing on so many promises) than it does to my dislike of the game.

  The post you quoted was me being glad that someone finally attacked AoC from a design level (which is what I did initially, as the game was openly walking down a path which removes it from being anything LIKE the PvP experience they promised for years) instead just whining about release issues (which are important, and justified things to whine about). 

 

You called the game a "tread mill" mmo that is a review. You were calling the mmo crap. I haven't read any of your other posts how am I supposed to know that you don't just write completely negative reviews of AoC. The only evidence I have is the post you have in this thread. Do you expect me to read all your posts in this forum? What the heck man I've got a life.

  No, I actually do not expect you to.  I am quite fine with you only using what you read in THIS post to address me.  The problem here is that you "ad libbed" some parts.  You started to go into hyper "DEFEND MY BELOVED GAME" mode before it was even warranted.

  I called the game a treadmill because thats what it is.  The moment I read one of the leaders on the project stating that "raid gear should be the best" I felt what I felt.  I watched this situation unfold in other games, for the same reason.  I have no reason to assume this game will be different, and in fact have nothing but evidence from the devs themselves that it will be the same.  That's not a review, its an assumption.  An educated and rationalized assumption, but one none the less.  I take pride in what reviews I HAVE done (none for this game) and I would never sum up any game in just a few sentences.

  Also, there is a plenty LARGE market for "treadmill" MMO games.  Take a look around, there are 10 million players in one right now.  So calling one a treadmill isn't really the same as calling it crap.  It IS the same, however, as saying that this team really isn't "evolving" the genre liked they claimed.   If you want my 100% full opinion, they took a tired system used by 5000 other games and tried to sell it with pretty graphics.  They were so sure the IP and prettiness would sell their game that they sold it without even half the features they promised and without even coming close to properly bug testing their game.

  I hate Funcom because they just looked every last one of us in the face and said "We KNOW you're so stupid that you'll ignore everything wrong if we "promise to do better" and give you tits to look at".   They didn't even TRY.  Listening to them speak, and watching their actions, tells me that they are cocky and arrogant....and they have every right to be.  I'll even tell you WHY.  Because they were right.  I won't even bother wasting the page and a half it would take to list the major issues it launched with.  I won't bother ranting about how their design is setting them up to repeat well over half of WoW's mistakes (which they themselves actually fixed)/  I will say that Funcom was right, in that they COULD sell us that kind of quality and we'd LOVE it.

  What they did was sloppy, and now we have people like you crawling around to make excuses for them and defending them for every wrong action they took.  I wondered "why" for a few weeks...but then it hit me.  You guys DO love the game, and all it DID take was some pretty pictures and boobs to make you feel that connected to it.   You guys were so enamored by the "new" combat and gorgeous landscape that you completely ignore everything wrong. 

  Bah, I don't guess I blame you.  If you are having fun, then have fun.  I do hate knowing that the business model of "Give the babies a shiny toy to distract them while we make millions of a half finished product" is actually the BEST one out.   I hate it because I've endorsed it myself, with MMO purchases over the years.  We've been enabling them to make tons of money on half-arsed attempts, and its really sad because the other genres of gaming are moving ahead really well....and ours never will.

Originally posted by Gishgeron

 

You called the game a "tread mill" mmo that is a review. You were calling the mmo crap. I haven't read any of your other posts how am I supposed to know that you don't just write completely negative reviews of AoC. The only evidence I have is the post you have in this thread. Do you expect me to read all your posts in this forum? What the heck man I've got a life.

 

  No, I actually do not expect you to.  I am quite fine with you only using what you read in THIS post to address me.  The problem here is that you "ad libbed" some parts.  You started to go into hyper "DEFEND MY BELOVED GAME" mode before it was even warranted.

  I called the game a treadmill because thats what it is.  The moment I read one of the leaders on the project stating that "raid gear should be the best" I felt what I felt.  I watched this situation unfold in other games, for the same reason.  I have no reason to assume this game will be different, and in fact have nothing but evidence from the devs themselves that it will be the same.  That's not a review, its an assumption.  An educated and rationalized assumption, but one none the less.  I take pride in what reviews I HAVE done (none for this game) and I would never sum up any game in just a few sentences.

  Also, there is a plenty LARGE market for "treadmill" MMO games.  Take a look around, there are 10 million players in one right now.  So calling one a treadmill isn't really the same as calling it crap.  It IS the same, however, as saying that this team really isn't "evolving" the genre liked they claimed.   If you want my 100% full opinion, they took a tired system used by 5000 other games and tried to sell it with pretty graphics.  They were so sure the IP and prettiness would sell their game that they sold it without even half the features they promised and without even coming close to properly bug testing their game.

  I hate Funcom because they just looked every last one of us in the face and said "We KNOW you're so stupid that you'll ignore everything wrong if we "promise to do better" and give you tits to look at".   They didn't even TRY.  Listening to them speak, and watching their actions, tells me that they are cocky and arrogant....and they have every right to be.  I'll even tell you WHY.  Because they were right.  I won't even bother wasting the page and a half it would take to list the major issues it launched with.  I won't bother ranting about how their design is setting them up to repeat well over half of WoW's mistakes (which they themselves actually fixed)/  I will say that Funcom was right, in that they COULD sell us that kind of quality and we'd LOVE it.

  What they did was sloppy, and now we have people like you crawling around to make excuses for them and defending them for every wrong action they took.  I wondered "why" for a few weeks...but then it hit me.  You guys DO love the game, and all it DID take was some pretty pictures and boobs to make you feel that connected to it.   You guys were so enamored by the "new" combat and gorgeous landscape that you completely ignore everything wrong. 

 

 

  Bah, I don't guess I blame you.  If you are having fun, then have fun.  I do hate knowing that the business model of "Give the babies a shiny toy to distract them while we make millions of a half finished product" is actually the BEST one out.   I hate it because I've endorsed it myself, with MMO purchases over the years.  We've been enabling them to make tons of money on half-arsed attempts, and its really sad because the other genres of gaming are moving ahead really well....and ours never will.

Quit acting like I'm a fanboy. I don't even play AoC anymore.I'm not trying to call AoC a great game. I am saying that I'm tired of people telling lies, like how AoC is a broken game.  Funcom lied and I didn't deny that( since you don't like it when people put words in your mouth don't put words into other peoples' mouths). I am not defending the game itself . I'm trying to defend all games that aren't reviewed fairly.

By the way I like how you completely degrade AoC players. Yep you're right all I need is a game with nice graphics and some boobies.

Your post is a perfect example of a flame post. First you acted like you are being respectful then you attacked people on a personal level.