Originally posted by Umbral

 

 I never saw so much people obsessed with a game before.

 

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Ever visit the SWG veteran forum?

Don't know about people hating the game but yeah there is alot of people who are disappointed with the game.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Don't know about people hating the game but yeah there is alot of people who are disappointed with the game.

QFT

You're absolutely right: This is a great game.

So is WoW, but look at how people talk about it on these forums.

These forums are mostly a cesspool of stupid, elitist teenagers; they can rarely substantiate their claims, but are quick to bash anything that is "mainstream". This game is great and has a strong playerbase going for it, although it is not tailored to the hardcore crowd that LIVES ONLINE AND EXPECTS games to have enough content to fill 14 hours of their pointless lives in front of the monitor.

How else do you think shitty games like FFXI are trailing WoW on the ratings? Oh... almost forgot shills too. I've learned to ignore 90% of the shit on these forums as 90% of it is posted by shit.

Originally posted by twistedvenom

I would like to say that AOC is a good game that will only get better with time.

Yes I understand why alot of people would get upset with the bugs, bugs and more bugs in the game.

Yes I understand where we as gamers spend money on a game and we get a game thats not all the way done.  It would be like ordering a uncooked food and told to eat.

be honest  people this game is fun and it not like Funcom is not trying to fix it.  Unlike TR, who knows what they are doing over there.  Funcom is giving the gamers at least 2 patches a week!!! 

For me that shows they are trying to make it right. For me that shows that the DEVS are working thier butts off.

Should they have waited a little longer?

I would say yes.

All in all I'm having fun most of the time.

So why so much Hate for the game? 

thanks,

see, you dont understand nothing...

let me tell you why there is so much hate:

I said it before and now I say it again:

PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED of all linear cookie cutter get 7 of X and bring it to Y so called "mmos".

we want what ultima online and pre-cu star wars galaxies was...

we want the ultimate sandbox style game where the players are the content and not stupid NPCs... we want aestetics, beautiness and diversity...

and most of all: an immerse open world and none instanced piece of crap like age of conan...

so dont say that you understand that its about bugs, because its not... until then I hope games like this fail

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Umbral

 

 I never saw so much people obsessed with a game before.

 

...

 

Ever visit the SWG veteran forum?

What you said about bugs, I agree with you, but I think if someone cant stand bugs this person should wait at least 3 months after release of every MMO... the only MMO I just didnt have any issue was Guild Wars....  I had a lot of issues from Lotro to EQ2 at the release.

But about SWG I disagree, AoC was released now, is a new, unique, very well done game with issues ( as most mmos are at the release ) no one felt with AoC or lost with AoC what SWG community lost and felt with Lucas Arts and SoE decisions.

Well, it is hard to accept, but SWG obsession has a reason, Age of Conan negative obsession doenst... ...or maybe it does, mmo communities are spoiled by their personal life issues, misconceptions and game concepts that only existis in their head.

Really, people can keep playing WoW, UO, EQ and move on... as I said before, hate is a strong feeling, when someone HATE something like a game, it only shows how empty the life of this person is.

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While there is certainly a good bit of hate in the MMORPG.com forums in general.  When we specifically consider the AoC forums people are often confusing vehemence or just even perfectly acceptable negative comments for hate.

To be sure there are haters here,  but I think there were more haters than in the TR forums when TR released.  Certainly many of the naysayers had far less in the way of rational criticism for TR than there is for AoC.  I did Beta for TR and did not buy because of some of the RPG problems I saw with classes etc.  So I am by no means a fanboy of that game.  And TR got hated on very badly.

But what strikes me about TR versus AoC is that both had decent releases bug wise.  And both got trashed for lack of high level content.  TR had a good bit of hype about being revolutionary, but I think for the most part TR was pretty honest about what was in the game and what the game would be I cannot say the same for AoC.

TR certainly lacked some polish but the game pretty much what they described.  People may have wanted other things but I do not recall anything major that was hyped up in one way or another that was not in the release.  Some people hated instancing other people wanted better classes or more content etc.

But there is a lot of vehemence because there are been so much hype, misrepresentations, and a lot of fanboys who don't listen and try to shout everything negative down.

The fact is there is ugly side to AoC in many aspects and there has been a concerted effort to downplay these and many posters are responding to that.  I personally hope AoC does not fail and have no real hate for the game, but I do think Funcom has been dishonest with its marketing and practices concerning the game over the last year or so now that I know what is truly in the game.

I neither respect nor trust Funcom, but I do not hate them or their game.

And to prove what some of us have said you can simply check that post about the article saying AoC had 70k subs.

A large portion of the so-called "haters" called BS on that very quickly AND called the article completely unfair.  In fact the "haters" were far more objective than many fan boys who had knee jerk reaction based on the fact that it was written by a WoW guy instead of substantive reasons.

The interesting thing about that post is it showed that there really aren't as many haters as people think.

TheChronic

First, you are wrong, people arent tired of what YOU dont like... players just want good games, as AoC is.

Second, why arent you playing UO, supporting a really good game like Saga of Ryzom or waiting for Mortal then? Yah, I know, Ryzom is dead... anyway, most players like you seems want to see every game dead anyway.

Vanguard has a non zoned world, but you dont like it, right? It has NPCs.... why not just play a FPS then?

Hating a game you dont like doesnt make you "hardcore" or "right", only make you a fool.

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Originally posted by TheChronic

Originally posted by twistedvenom

I would like to say that AOC is a good game that will only get better with time.

Yes I understand why alot of people would get upset with the bugs, bugs and more bugs in the game.

Yes I understand where we as gamers spend money on a game and we get a game thats not all the way done.  It would be like ordering a uncooked food and told to eat.

be honest  people this game is fun and it not like Funcom is not trying to fix it.  Unlike TR, who knows what they are doing over there.  Funcom is giving the gamers at least 2 patches a week!!! 

For me that shows they are trying to make it right. For me that shows that the DEVS are working thier butts off.

Should they have waited a little longer?

I would say yes.

All in all I'm having fun most of the time.

So why so much Hate for the game? 

thanks,

 

see, you dont understand nothing...

let me tell you why there is so much hate:

I said it before and now I say it again:

PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED of all linear cookie cutter get 7 of X and bring it to Y so called "mmos".

we want what ultima online and pre-cu star wars galaxies was...

we want the ultimate sandbox style game where the players are the content and not stupid NPCs... we want aestetics, beautiness and diversity...

and most of all: an immerse open world and none instanced piece of crap like age of conan...

so dont say that you understand that its about bugs, because its not... until then I hope games like this fail

WOW ok buddy if you are soooooooo smart what would you do differently with quest? Like kill so many of these and so on?
 

You are acting like DEV are not trying thier best.

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Umbral

 

 I never saw so much people obsessed with a game before.

 

...

 

Ever visit the SWG veteran forum?

 

What you said about bugs, I agree with you, but I think if someone cant stand bugs this person should wait at least 3 months after release of every MMO... the only MMO I just didnt have any issue was Guild Wars....  I had a lot of issues from Lotro to EQ2 at the release.

But about SWG I disagree, AoC was released now, is a new, unique, very well done game with issues ( as most mmos are at the release ) no one felt with AoC or lost with AoC what SWG community lost and felt with Lucas Arts and SoE decisions.

Well, it is hard to accept, but SWG obsession has a reason, Age of Conan negative obsession doenst... ...or maybe it does, mmo communities are spoiled by their personal life issues, misconceptions and game concepts that only existis in their head.

Really, people can keep playing WoW, UO, EQ and move on... as I said before, hate is a strong feeling, when someone HATE something like a game, it only shows how empty the life of this person is.

...

 

  With SWG the hate was almost worse in the beginning , At launch there were no mounts vehicles or towns(which didn't show up for months) getting anywhere was a pain , Considering it was an open world game . Local chat was filled with "hate" unless you went to Anchorhead to do the only thing in the game that worked , PVP.

OP: i don't understand how you can list 4-5 reasons of why people hate the game and then you ask why they hate it? :)

another reason is people really wanted this MMO to be one for the big switch and it just isn't it. that frustrates people.

I don't call it hate, like many said, an unfinished product is what this is all about. There are a few other things also. Even if you dropped the video quality all the way down, there is no way the game can be played on a 128MB video card. However, it's posted on the box, that in theory you can play it using that grade of card. Whether it's ATI or Nvidia makes no difference. You would have to pan the camera angle facing down always so the graphics in the horizontal view didn't drop the frame rate to 2-3. I didn't have that problem, but check other forums, many people tried to return the game for that reason. I guess it is their fault for not sticking to the recommended specs, but hey that still a monthly fee that is lost. On that note gratz funcom for taking someones 50 bucks for an opened piece of software that they cannot return, but now you have lost a subscriber.

Another problem is no customer support, again check other forums not just mmorpg.com or the funcom forums. You need help, get ready to get none. There are people that have baught the game in May that have not been able to login to the game. I kid you not !  This just happened to me. I enjoyed the game for 2 weeks, tried to do a spellweave, got booting off the game, could not log back in. They are trying to tell me it's a port/XML related issue with one of their generic responses. Checked the forums, the authentication issue they have is a mess like no other. It is server side related and nobody is doing anything to fix it.  No phone support makes this is a drag. 

forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=14651&page=34

I hate doing it but I think I'm gonna install friken WOW.

Originally posted by gestalt11

While there is certainly a good bit of hate in the MMORPG.com forums in general.  When we specifically consider the AoC forums people are often confusing vehemence or just even perfectly acceptable negative comments for hate.

 

To be sure there are haters here,  but I think there were more haters than in the TR forums when TR released.  Certainly many of the naysayers had far less in the way of rational criticism for TR than there is for AoC.  I did Beta for TR and did not buy because of some of the RPG problems I saw with classes etc.  So I am by no means a fanboy of that game.  And TR got hated on very badly.

 

But what strikes me about TR versus AoC is that both had decent releases bug wise.  And both got trashed for lack of high level content.  TR had a good bit of hype about being revolutionary, but I think for the most part TR was pretty honest about what was in the game and what the game would be I cannot say the same for AoC.

 

TR certainly lacked some polish but the game pretty much what they described.  People may have wanted other things but I do not recall anything major that was hyped up in one way or another that was not in the release.  Some people hated instancing other people wanted better classes or more content etc.

 

But there is a lot of vehemence because there are been so much hype, misrepresentations, and a lot of fanboys who don't listen and try to shout everything negative down.

 

The fact is there is ugly side to AoC in many aspects and there has been a concerted effort to downplay these and many posters are responding to that.  I personally hope AoC does not fail and have no real hate for the game, but I do think Funcom has been dishonest with its marketing and practices concerning the game over the last year or so now that I know what is truly in the game.

 

I neither respect nor trust Funcom, but I do not hate them or their game.

 

Gestalt11
 

Well, you probably like TR, right?

See, I never got into TR, but I never understood why so many people  just wanted to see TR fail...and it failed.

The ugly side of AoC is not bigger than TR, Lotro or EQ2 at the release.

It is easier to blame the hype or the company of a game you dont play, but even if you get only TR as an example you would realize how mmo communites just seems to desire the fall of some games.

When a MMO has an issue the voice of the community can fix this issue and help the game company to improve the game, as in MMOs the vision of the player also means something.

I will give you a good example, see EQ2 now , it is a great game with  really good content, the content updates are based on what the game community want, but you always see people that doenst ( and never will ) play the game saying here how garbage some updates are...

The issues of a game only matter for people that play the game or will play the game, really, if you dont like the game design of TR, AoC or any game, just let it go, pure negative and hate messages of people that doesnt like the game has no value and will not bring anything productive.

This kind of attitude is hurting games and developers.

See, I dont like and I will never play TR or WoW, there is NO reason for me to just express 300 times I dont like and I dont play these games for these games communities.

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Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by Malickiebloo

Originally posted by Umbral

 

 I never saw so much people obsessed with a game before.

 

...

 

Ever visit the SWG veteran forum?

 

What you said about bugs, I agree with you, but I think if someone cant stand bugs this person should wait at least 3 months after release of every MMO... the only MMO I just didnt have any issue was Guild Wars....  I had a lot of issues from Lotro to EQ2 at the release.

But about SWG I disagree, AoC was released now, is a new, unique, very well done game with issues ( as most mmos are at the release ) no one felt with AoC or lost with AoC what SWG community lost and felt with Lucas Arts and SoE decisions.

Well, it is hard to accept, but SWG obsession has a reason, Age of Conan negative obsession doenst... ...or maybe it does, mmo communities are spoiled by their personal life issues, misconceptions and game concepts that only existis in their head.

Really, people can keep playing WoW, UO, EQ and move on... as I said before, hate is a strong feeling, when someone HATE something like a game, it only shows how empty the life of this person is.

...

 

 

  With SWG the hate was almost worse in the beginning , At launch there were no mounts vehicles or towns(which didn't show up for months) getting anywhere was a pain , Considering it was an open world game . Local chat was filled with "hate" unless you went to Anchorhead to do the only thing in the game that worked , PVP.

Well

So the sad conclusion is, mmo community is dumb and full of hate for a long time.

To tell the truth, I remember the same at Lineage 2 and EQ2 releases.

Anyway, when people will realize MMOs are an always evolving project? It is so much easy wait a couple of months before start a MMO.

Most players will never know how hard is to develop a online complex games, most players will never learn to wait before buy a game ... and the sad part, all this hate/gaming culture seems to be the joy of the mmo communities.

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 I think that some people hate AoC, because it has a big chance of going mainstream. People, especially trolls love to bash mainstream games. For instance trolls love to bash WoW. A couple of thousand forum posters bash it, but millions play it. They use minor issues to justify their argument, which is most often pointless. Then people who like mainstream games like WoW are called fanboys.

Seriously forums are the worst places to learn about games.Trolls and fanboys are the most common forum posters. Pure hate is associated with trolls, and blind devotion is associated with fanboys.

If you're looking for good reviews for games go to your favorite game review sites. Any decent reviews on these forums are bashed by either fanboys or trolls.And a majority of  reviews are either completely negative, or completely positive.

Originally posted by Umbral

Originally posted by gestalt11

While there is certainly a good bit of hate in the MMORPG.com forums in general.  When we specifically consider the AoC forums people are often confusing vehemence or just even perfectly acceptable negative comments for hate.

 

To be sure there are haters here,  but I think there were more haters than in the TR forums when TR released.  Certainly many of the naysayers had far less in the way of rational criticism for TR than there is for AoC.  I did Beta for TR and did not buy because of some of the RPG problems I saw with classes etc.  So I am by no means a fanboy of that game.  And TR got hated on very badly.

 

But what strikes me about TR versus AoC is that both had decent releases bug wise.  And both got trashed for lack of high level content.  TR had a good bit of hype about being revolutionary, but I think for the most part TR was pretty honest about what was in the game and what the game would be I cannot say the same for AoC.

 

TR certainly lacked some polish but the game pretty much what they described.  People may have wanted other things but I do not recall anything major that was hyped up in one way or another that was not in the release.  Some people hated instancing other people wanted better classes or more content etc.

 

But there is a lot of vehemence because there are been so much hype, misrepresentations, and a lot of fanboys who don't listen and try to shout everything negative down.

 

The fact is there is ugly side to AoC in many aspects and there has been a concerted effort to downplay these and many posters are responding to that.  I personally hope AoC does not fail and have no real hate for the game, but I do think Funcom has been dishonest with its marketing and practices concerning the game over the last year or so now that I know what is truly in the game.

 

I neither respect nor trust Funcom, but I do not hate them or their game.

 

Gestalt11
 

Well, you probably like TR, right?

See, I never got into TR, but I never understood why so many people  just wanted to see TR fail...and it failed.

The ugly side of AoC is not bigger than TR, Lotro or EQ2 at the release.

It is easier to blame the hype or the company of a game you dont play, but even if you get only TR as an example you would realize how mmo communites just seems to desire the fall of some games.

When a MMO has an issue the voice of the community can fix this issue and help the game company to improve the game, as in MMOs the vision of the player also means something.

I will give you a good example, see EQ2 now , it is a great game with  really good content, the content updates are based on what the game community want, but you always see people that doenst ( and never will ) play the game saying here how garbage some updates are...

The issues of a game only matter for people that play the game or will play the game, really, if you dont like the game design of TR, AoC or any game, just let it go, pure negative and hate messages of people that doesnt like the game has no value and will not bring anything productive.

This kind of attitude is hurting games and developers.

See, I dont like and I will never play TR or WoW, there is NO reason for me to just express 300 times I dont like and I dont play these games for these games communities.

 

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Thank you for  post
 

I like TR at first then I saw the many flaws and the DEVs not keeping thier word.  So I left the game.   I dislike alot when ppl say one thing and do another.

I have not played AoC

But when I read that grouping is not needed.

I know i wont like it.

This looks like the Soloers perfect game. I hope you all have fun

If this is true Id play the old table top D&D befor i spend 1 buck on this game.

If i wanted to solo id buy a single player game right???

I quit and sold the game and got my money back so I dont feel cheated that way. I just feel cheated cause this game had so much going for it, but it feels like SWG where the community is more or less ignored. If you get a bug reported in beta for a respawn time on a quest mob that is 6h instead of 20s and you dont fix it in a few months of beta it sums up my trust in Funcom. And explains how this game could be released in its current state.

I'd like to add my 2 cents.

Now a heads up, I have not played AoC and I have made no negative comments about it.  I do not care too much if this game succeeds or fails, although I am looking forward to WAR.

I am interested in how this game is doing, simply because at one time I was almost interested in its development, but then found it was done by Funcom.

I did play AO and got stung badly by Funcom and vowed never to play a game by them again.

Now I can live with bugs. AO had lots at launch. Lots. However, this was never the reason I left.  My reasoning is down to bad game design.  No PvP balance at all.  Poor ill thought out crafting.  Not doing missions to level left you without gear to survive.

Now im sure all these issues were eventually fixed, but basic stuff like this shouldnt need fixing.  Gameplay should be the first thing to get right.  Coding and technical problems I can understand and forgive.

So anyway, back to AoC.

What im seeing and hearing is a fair amount of people giving negative comments about the game.  Some is simply slander..  but some is also very constructive.

The people defending the game tend to be dismissing the others as 'haters' and saying Funcom are taking steps to improve the game.

Which is fine, but is only a good answer to bugs, technical issues.. lack of content (upto a point) and tweaks to the way things work.

However, when some of the criticism is levelled at promises not fulfilled, ridiculously overhyped PR, major lack of content (although I cannot judge this really and suspect its down to opinion) and bad gameplay design then the impression I am left with is..  I am damn glad I stuck to my promise.  *Some* things just shouldn't need fixing after release.

Perhaps I am biased.  I certainly am not aware of the facts..  but to me, as an outsider, I think the so-called 'haters' are making a lot of sense and I would advise those who feel they ought to defend this game - stop blithly calling the negative commenters 'trolls' and 'haters' and actually deal with the specific game issues that are being highlighted.  Otherwise you are simply helping them to turn people away from this game.