Originally posted by BigDave7481

 

Originally posted by remusus03

Originally posted by BigDave7481

Ok here is dis-proof to the OP's statements.

 

-2 month old char in Blackbird, 2 mill sp

-Me in a T2 fitted Megathron, 45 mill sp

BB points, webs, jams me... im dead.

 

Im more scared of that 2 month old Blackbird pilot then I am of a 5 year old vet in a T2 fitted BS.

u actually think someone be SO freakin retarded being a 2 year or 3 year player wont use his T-2 Drones?  leave alone u cant get Perma JAM and not ONLY that before u can do something ur Drones will finish him off  and u think he will be that close u think  the EFFECTIVENSS of the Jammers wud work? and that u mentioned WEB so oblisly u will be in close range menaing u will not get perma Jammed Obiviuolsy the second u lose that JAM and ofcourse a 3  year old player wud train "Compensaton Skills" for tanking making u almost invulenrable to his Attack so he dies eitehr way Eitehr ur DAY dreaming ur Adam-offline game with noobishness or u dont know wat ur talking about and NOT the least ever heard of RIGS? dump in a TRI mark and the BB wont have enough Power to keep the freeakin ECM on and not only that even if he did use a CAP injector too ...so wher is ur pointless point?

Aside from the point and web part what I said is still valid.  Either way a BB pilot @ 60km (optimal ECM range for my BB) can perma-jam and BS.  Also even with very good drone skills you only get a max range of 45-50km on T2 drones (aside from any mods/implants) so that BB is safe from drones at that range, at least against a Mega.

 

 

My point is still proven.  A 2mil sp noob pilot in a BB has just made a 45mil+ sp vet useless.  Seems like noobs can compete very well.

ur still wrong u said ur gona be DEAD but max range of a t-2 warp disruptor is around 24km and witha Arazu max is around 60km? with all skills so how can u kill something that can warp out?

Originally posted by cosy

seams many dont get eve
if eve is so unfair whit n00b
WHY A N00B (2hours training) CAN SCRAMBLE(stop warp) A CARRIER ? (u need 200 days skill train tu use one well)
WHY A 60 DAYS OLD CHARACTER CAN STOP FROM WARP A TITAN (value on ebay 10000$) ?(u need over 310 days of skill train to use it well)

so is still eve unfair whit n00bs ?

the question can this player kill it?

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Originally posted by remusus03

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Originally posted by cosy

seams many dont get eve
if eve is so unfair whit n00b
WHY A N00B (2hours training) CAN SCRAMBLE(stop warp) A CARRIER ? (u need 200 days skill train tu use one well)
WHY A 60 DAYS OLD CHARACTER CAN STOP FROM WARP A TITAN (value on ebay 10000$) ?(u need over 310 days of skill train to use it well)

so is still eve unfair whit n00bs ?

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the question can this player kill it?

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wtf go and play wow

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Originally posted by remusus03

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Originally posted by cosy

seams many dont get eve
if eve is so unfair whit n00b
WHY A N00B (2hours training) CAN SCRAMBLE(stop warp) A CARRIER ? (u need 200 days skill train tu use one well)
WHY A 60 DAYS OLD CHARACTER CAN STOP FROM WARP A TITAN (value on ebay 10000$) ?(u need over 310 days of skill train to use it well)

so is still eve unfair whit n00bs ?

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the question can this player kill it?

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Spoken like someone who has absolutely no clue what the hell they are talking about. To take a Titan down you need a rather large Capital fleet with lots more support ships. No 5 year vet in this game can single handily take down a Titan. Can someone hold a Titan down ? Sure but they'll need back up to get enough DPS to kill it. This isn't WoW where you go around WTFPWN'ing people in duels kid. EVE requires teamwork and everyone including a n00b is potentially a valuable fleet asset. Everything from recon pilots, tackling pilots, jamming pilots, remote repairing pilots, etc.. are important to a fleet op or gate camp gang.

u dont get me :(
if look better all that "job" is most important in pvp whit out a tackler there is no kill

Cosy ur proving how much a of a guy can be perceptionless and to figure out wat this response was intended for.... DONT u get it N00B with refernce 1 vs 1 Carrier on carrier  a 5 year player can kill with same ships and obviously he will have a better fittings cause he has trained more DPS / Drone dealing SP's and related tanking skills , and ofcurse the 5 year can kill it ALONE i cant belive u came into such stupid conclusions wihtout even bother reading and thinking  the fact is wat the OP said is killing 1 vs 1 related its NOT always u get a chance to be in a BIG fleet to make a differnce with low skills yes ofcourse in the begginign ur just a simple Scout and a tackler who gets to HOLD big targets and die instantly but quiet a few times when ur in low sec u do come across 1 VS 1 at the that time wat u GONA do?

hold a target and wait for him to kill ya? very rarely u have chance to have a good setup with low skills to up agsint a high SP player who normalyl flies a HAC as sually totaly nano-ed so he can escape when  he wants and at the same time KIll the attacker ..i have  a feeling u havent experiencded eve properly either u were jsut given ships to blow up or ur just saying for the heck for replying.

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Originally posted by remusus03
*stuff*

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I tried to figure out what you were trying to say, but i don't get it.
What is your point? What do you want to say us?

Could you please write it down with punctuation and in proper english?

I am assuming you tried to say that a vet could beat someone else in a carrier one on one. Correct?
This is a strange point, as basic carrier setups (t2) tank around 3k to 5k (6k for a short time on a chimera) dps, while they only deal roughly 1k dps. Plus, the whole argument is so flawed on so many levels it is not even funny. Starting with the point that a solo carrier is a sitting duck, to the point that they are never used solo anyways but with a larger supportfleet..

What are you rambling about with your 1v1? Eve is a teambased game, not a solo beat 'em up.

Again i'm asking: What is your point?

great u failed to figure out too , eve is teambased ofcourse but how often do u get to hook up with gangmates to kill a carrier or have jsut enough teammates with sufficienct SP's to fly the ships required to get enough DPS + NEuts + NOS + ECM gang mates so until u get the gang mates u require to kill the carrier effectively using LOW SP characters say around with 6-8 months atleast ..and for the case how come i c solo carirer(longer time player) killing carrier(shorter time player) ..BS's? camping  low sec gates? Choke points as such .. ofcourse u wud say wait until u max ur skill for that...oh yea wait for like 1.5 years even to get a good fighting chance even with the best setups when the 5 year guy no doubt fitted with (faction + Officer Mods + t-2 no doubt).

So far 95% of the kills i got is becoz of players who played lesser time than me  and the rest of the 5% coz i had mates to backup to kil the longer time based player anways ur point of not seeing a Solo carrier then i guess ur just stuck in 0.0 space with a  massively huge allaince ..the only way i c the game can be balanced fir the new players is to Speedup the skill training or jsut lessen the time to train so the catch up can be made ofcourse they have done the one part for imrpioving for the new playees By starting SP's at 800k-900k rather than before which was at 200k i belive so and if skills level dint matter much why would they increase the starting SP?

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Originally posted by remusus03
how often do u get to hook up with gangmates to kill a carrier or have jsut enough teammates with sufficienct SP's to fly the ships required to get enough DPS + NEuts + NOS + ECM gang mates so until u get the gang mates u require to kill the carrier effectively using LOW SP characters say around with 6-8 months atleast

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This of course explains how one of the militias only killed three of the five carriers hotdropping them, while their fleet consisted mainly of newbies in frigates and cruisers.

Wait a second...

Please start writing correct english, so i don't get a headache trying to decypher your cryptic wall of words.

last i saw of a carrier kill it took like wat? 150 newbies was it that got posted on the eve-o forum? are u getting a headache now reading 2 lines as well or do u need glasses

wow this form still up o-0lol

Originally posted by remusus03

last i saw of a carrier kill it took like wat? 150 newbies was it that got posted on the eve-o forum? are u getting a headache now reading 2 lines as well or do u need glasses

 

I don't mean to be mean  but your English typing in your posts is a bit hard to understand.

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by remusus03

last i saw of a carrier kill it took like wat? 150 newbies was it that got posted on the eve-o forum? are u getting a headache now reading 2 lines as well or do u need glasses

 

 

 

 

I don't mean to be mean  but your English typing in your posts is a bit hard to understand.

Welcome to the world of " text-based communications".

Totally agree with the OP.  I tried the game, loved it, but stop playing cause there is no point.  You'll never be able to compete against peoples who've been playing for 3 years.  I'm sure CCP could get at least as much of peoples playing the game if they could open up a new servers and gives new players a competive chance, i know i'll jump in right away, but they wont.

Originally posted by Aguitha

Totally agree with the OP.  I tried the game, loved it, but stop playing cause there is no point.  You'll never be able to compete against peoples who've been playing for 3 years.  I'm sure CCP could get at least as much of peoples playing the game if they could open up a new servers and gives new players a competive chance, i know i'll jump in right away, but they wont.

you might not be able to compete, but my two month old market alt is performing fantastically, and my two week old FW pvp alt is doing really well as well.

essentially, you cant compete. i can. what does this tell you?

Originally posted by Aguitha

Totally agree with the OP.  I tried the game, loved it, but stop playing cause there is no point.  You'll never be able to compete against peoples who've been playing for 3 years.  I'm sure CCP could get at least as much of peoples playing the game if they could open up a new servers and gives new players a competive chance, i know i'll jump in right away, but they wont.

Please re read all the posts and threads on this subject and you will find that the myth of new players never catching up has been debunked many times.

A new server would actually make it even more difficult for new players than playing on the old server. Right now the balance of power is spread out nicely keeping everyone in line where if a new server was put up someone like Goonswarm would take it all over immediately and that would be the end of it.

Originally posted by Aguitha

Totally agree with the OP.  I tried the game, loved it, but stop playing cause there is no point.  You'll never be able to compete against peoples who've been playing for 3 years.  I'm sure CCP could get at least as much of peoples playing the game if they could open up a new servers and gives new players a competive chance, i know i'll jump in right away, but they wont.

i have 2 characters, one has 55 million sp, the other has 28 million. if they were to fight, the 28 million would win almost every time. the younger char has specialized strictly on T2 cruisers and battlecruisers, and is a fearsome sleipnir/vagabond fighter.

the older char is a great miner, industrialist, inventor, trader and corp manager, but cant fly any combat ship bigger than a destroyer.

who would you bet your money for on a 1vs1 fight?

Originally posted by apertotes

Originally posted by Aguitha

Totally agree with the OP.  I tried the game, loved it, but stop playing cause there is no point.  You'll never be able to compete against peoples who've been playing for 3 years.  I'm sure CCP could get at least as much of peoples playing the game if they could open up a new servers and gives new players a competive chance, i know i'll jump in right away, but they wont.

 

i have 2 characters, one has 55 million sp, the other has 28 million. if they were to fight, the 28 million would win almost every time. the younger char has specialized strictly on T2 cruisers and battlecruisers, and is a fearsome sleipnir/vagabond fighter.

the older char is a great miner, industrialist, inventor, trader and corp manager, but cant fly any combat ship bigger than a destroyer.

who would you bet your money for on a 1vs1 fight?

 ur forgetting something the point was  about PVP char going up against another PVP char mate ....not a carebear char against a pvp char.
 

Originally posted by remusus03

Originally posted by apertotes

Originally posted by Aguitha

Totally agree with the OP.  I tried the game, loved it, but stop playing cause there is no point.  You'll never be able to compete against peoples who've been playing for 3 years.  I'm sure CCP could get at least as much of peoples playing the game if they could open up a new servers and gives new players a competive chance, i know i'll jump in right away, but they wont.

 

i have 2 characters, one has 55 million sp, the other has 28 million. if they were to fight, the 28 million would win almost every time. the younger char has specialized strictly on T2 cruisers and battlecruisers, and is a fearsome sleipnir/vagabond fighter.

the older char is a great miner, industrialist, inventor, trader and corp manager, but cant fly any combat ship bigger than a destroyer.

who would you bet your money for on a 1vs1 fight?

 ur forgetting something the point was  about PVP char going up against another PVP char mate ....not a carebear char against a pvp char.
 

no, that was not the point. the point was that someone claimed that it was impossible for a 8 million char to win against a 10 million char. and the beauty of this game is that sp means really nothing, because they can be expended on many different skills. that is why  A NEW PLAYER IS PERFECTLY ABLE TO COMPETE, WHETER ON PVP OR ANY OTHER LAYER OF THE GAME.

wow may this guy who thinks this game is lame and pvp not great dont want to put time into it its pointless to debate with a wall who thinks  everything impossible .maybe if you try put some time into it and try hard which i see all you did was try the game oh look its hard uninstall it lol eve not for you just leave.