Originally posted by Nocuma

im happy EQ2 and WoW are Diff. Because when i get bored of EQ2 i go mess around on WoW until i get bored there..... then i come back to EQ2.

lol sounds like me

Originally posted by Khrymson

 Decided on a class finally, here is my lvl 8 Dark Elf Coercer! 

EQ2 chanter forums at TheRunes, where I occasionally post links

www.therunes.net/forums/viewforum.php

Originally posted by HashBrick

 

 

Lineage II but that's not the point.

to OP: When EQ2 first launched the graphics were top notch, they still aren't bad by today's mean but they do lack from what we are used to now. Each new graphical bar MMO or Game launched is going to make the older game inferior to graphics and we will have a mindset on the new gorgeous graphics. That being said it sounds more like you hate the art then the graphics and the art/style is passed down from EQ, but even the most die hard EQ fans will not play EQ2 so to each his own.

Well, it is not the point , but I belive the only reason the OP is expressing this point of view is to annoy EQ2 comunity...

Anyway, about Lineage 2 and Everquest 2...

Armos, Weapons and some Dungeons in Lineage2 are very well done art/graphic wise, but the characters are just based in a cheap version of final fantasy and in general are more blocky than WoW characters... anime style is not the issue, but the generic anime style ( and I belive soga models are a generic anime style example too ) L2 uses arent exacly good, this changed a bit with Kamael.

The forests from L2 are horrid , but places like antonica in Everquest2 are also at the same level, but the characters in EQ2 ( even if you dont like the style ) are much more expressive, unique and well done than L2.

When we start to see Tokuma Shoten ´s anime style in games I will problably be happier with this anime in game concept.

Some places like DoF dungeons have a pretty expressive art style and concept in EQ2, and all the spell effects, animations and uniqueness make Everquest 2 in overall a more expressive and better looking game than Lineage 2.

But armors, dungeons and some raid bosses are very impressive in Lineage 2.

Anyway, the only major issue I see in both games are the natural landscapes,  only now after Vanguard and Age of Conan we can experience a good looking forest in MMOs.

Guild wars is for sure more impressive in art style than both games, but some how Everquest 2 still more unique in how it looks.

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To me its about having fun. I can appreciate nice graphics, however graphics don't necessarily make the game compelling or engaging. The graphics are adequate because it provides reasonable representation. I don't think there is a definitive standard from which we can define 'good graphics', I think it comes down to personal preference.

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Originally posted by Khrymson
Decided on a class finally, here is my lvl 8 Dark Elf Coercer!
This is maximum settings, though there is a slight snag when I spin the camera cause of the viewing distance I have set!

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Get used to that robe. You'll be wearing the same type of robe for the next 80 levels.

Originally posted by Anti-Fanboi

 

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Get used to that robe. You'll be wearing the same type of robe for the next 80 levels.

Its about the content and game mechanics, the story and lore....as with all games I play graphics are nice, but they don't make or break a game for me...ever

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Originally posted by Khrymson

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Originally posted by Anti-Fanboi

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Get used to that robe. You'll be wearing the same type of robe for the next 80 levels.

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...So what's your point! I've played before to lvl 50 at the time.... Doesn't bother me having the same style for the robe, as LOTRO does it also, so does WoW only have a few options, lets see EQ I believe...blah blah blah

Its about the content and game mechanics, the story and lore....as with all games I play graphics are nice, but they don't make or break a game for me...ever

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Great if you are okay with that then it's fine. I on the other hand cannot get past the fact that the armor models in the game have not change since launch. The only thing that changed were the textures they used to slap on each piece of "new" armor pieace because even the devs know they can't produce new pieces due to their borked skeletal system.

Originally posted by Anti-Fanboi

 

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The only thing that changed were the textures they used to slap on each piece of "new" armor pieace because even the devs know they can't produce new pieces due to their borked skeletal system.

The game however is so much better than last I played, and thats what matters most for now!  Once above is fixed it'll only get even better, however I'll prolly be playing WAR so it'll be too late for SOE to coerce me into giving them money again! 

The free 60 days this summer it sweet though!

If this game is ugly than i have no idea what good graphics mean. I am still on noob island and i am amazed by the character models and enverionment. Can't wait to see what other zones look like.

I don't get it either. I find the art quite beautiful. Better than most games out there. And, unfortunately, I've played a bunch of MMO's.

Even many of the new games can't compete with EQ2. WoW, PoTB, PoTC, DDO, CoV, LOTRO.... not a single one of them even remotely compares to how good EQ2 looks. Especially in options to create the character. Most new just give a bunch of faces to choose from and thats it.

Its pure laziness the way they create character models now.

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Originally posted by Anti-Fanboi

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Originally posted by Khrymson

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Originally posted by Anti-Fanboi

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Get used to that robe. You'll be wearing the same type of robe for the next 80 levels.

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...So what's your point! I've played before to lvl 50 at the time.... Doesn't bother me having the same style for the robe, as LOTRO does it also, so does WoW only have a few options, lets see EQ I believe...blah blah blah

Its about the content and game mechanics, the story and lore....as with all games I play graphics are nice, but they don't make or break a game for me...ever

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Great if you are okay with that then it's fine. I on the other hand cannot get past the fact that the armor models in the game have not change since launch. The only thing that changed were the textures they used to slap on each piece of "new" armor pieace because even the devs know they can't produce new pieces due to their borked skeletal system.

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Then your argument is really about personal preference, which can be many different things to many different people. Variety is nice and so are graphics, but a game still needs to be compelling, substantive, meaningful and functional. I can appreciate and recognize your points, however its more superficial than substantive.

Originally posted by deepdish

It's very hard to point out what is sooo horrible about them but everyone I asked just said EQ2 graphics suck, even back in 2004. Everything just looks soooo plastic and fake looking and the worlds have sooo little detail and feel really barren and pre generated. Everything just feels very generic and ugly I just can't stay it and it's like they had to rush making the zones or something. The game just has no Art style at all and while I loved the look of the starter island and then Qeynos after that the game just went to crap and even the new zones it just all feels so fake.......

The most ugly plastic looking character models ever! I mean the Lizardman thing looks kool but the other races with human type skin just look sooo bad and specially the human Female model which looks like she's doped and the Asain models don't help because they're sooo emo and annoying and seem to not fit in with the rest of the games bland art style so they stick out like a sore thumb.

 

I dunno I just think the Graphics are the most horrible thing i've seen and it's a example that Art style wins over a poorly optimized engine.

I totally disagree,the graphics are awesome even by nowadays standards.I am not sure who started these false statements.There use of shaders and detail in the gear/textures makes cloth/metal look realistic.If you look at walls even on the gear and other places you can see the pitting and wear .It just has a very nice realistic look.Of course you have to really understand what you are looking at.This is why this game chunks a bit because it is loading some high poly stuff.

 I have seen people call graphics nice when they are a total joke.Some games use one big texture and just plaster it onto something.An example would be a large BUS with one big texture that shows wheels/windows/doors yet none of it is seperated or defined.An example once again,i know i'm WOW bashing but there graphics are horrible and very cheaply done[well in some places,others there not that bad].I think the only place EQ2's graphics lacked is in the ground textures or the roads walkways,some of those look old school with no definition.Oh and i think the term is FAUNA?but they don't utilize much in the way of swaying grass/bushes,that's why vanguard was one notch upgrade in graphics and a little bit better looking.

Basically you are NOT going to get better graphics without introducing a higher level of physics and shaders by utilizing DX10,and i don't figure on ANY game doing a good job with that for at least another year or so.Unrealtournament is IMO still the leader but it's not built to be like an MMO giant sized game with 5000 players on a server.If i am not mistaken UT introduced much larger textures in there game i think you could import 1600x1600 now,but i'm not sure on that number so don't quote me.

EQ2's graphics are perfectly fine,nothing wrong with them.

Originally posted by deepdish

It's very hard to point out what is sooo horrible about them but everyone I asked just said EQ2 graphics suck, even back in 2004. Everything just looks soooo plastic and fake looking and the worlds have sooo little detail and feel really barren and pre generated. Everything just feels very generic and ugly I just can't stay it and it's like they had to rush making the zones or something. The game just has no Art style at all and while I loved the look of the starter island and then Qeynos after that the game just went to crap and even the new zones it just all feels so fake.......

The most ugly plastic looking character models ever! I mean the Lizardman thing looks kool but the other races with human type skin just look sooo bad and specially the human Female model which looks like she's doped and the Asain models don't help because they're sooo emo and annoying and seem to not fit in with the rest of the games bland art style so they stick out like a sore thumb.

 

I dunno I just think the Graphics are the most horrible thing i've seen and it's a example that Art style wins over a poorly optimized engine.

the graphics suck because your not playing eq2.

Actually EQ2's graphics are quite well done.... Though I think they made the newer zones (Kelethin, etc) a bit too wow-esque.... I was really dissapointed with the Fae race as well.  Faces look horrible.

But overall?  No I dissagree with the OP... EQ2's graphics are quite good.  I just re-installed it last night to check it out on the free 'come back to norrath for the summer' deal going on.

Doubt I'll stick with it beyond the free time but it's kind of fun to be back in norrath.  I still wish more MMO's would do voiceovers like EQ2 has.

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=345&topic_id=344003

To the OP : See for yourself. I KNOW EQ2's graphic looks somewhat (or sometimes) plastic and blocky but Norrath is actually very very beautiful to look around :)

I saw an image that just took my breath away in EQ2. It was night and I was in the water just outside South Qeynos. I made my character look down and it was at such an angle that I saw the moon and stars reflected in the water and with the high definition graphics on and the way the water was moving, it was just astoundingly beautiful. No other game has ever been able to match that image. Wish I had snapped a pic. Feel stupid now.

Originally posted by celline

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=345&topic_id=344003

 

To the OP : See for yourself. I KNOW EQ2's graphic looks somewhat (or sometimes) plastic and blocky but Norrath is actually very very beautiful to look around :)

Wow those are incredible.....if anyone thinks the graphics in this game are bad then they just have horrible taste.