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Won't work, try another tactic: make polluters pay through a impact tax it's much like an Land Value Tax, where if you pollute needlessly you get a tax bill, if you don't pollute so much or reverse it to something close to negative you get no tax bill. If we're to have taxes, make them follow the market 'rules' and not some silly construct like permits and licenses which don't ever work in the first place.


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Originally posted by goobama

Seriously, this should be a law. Do you know how much pollution these cars are causing? i admit they have their valid uses but they are more for show now than ever. Hell even today I saw one fricken old man in a UCon Denali. One of the biggest SUV's out their. Now do you think he needed that car? He could have bought a Civic or Prias for way cheaper and reduced his emisions. This is why our global warming is sending our planet to hell. Their should be a new law requiring a person to validate their reason for buying such a large car. This would help save our world.

Originally posted by outfctrl

I dont know, but the way things are going, I wouldnt be surprised if some fee would apply to gas guzzlers.  Look at what the airlines are planning.  Flying by weight. 

Anyone over 220 lbs would be charged extra.  Extra $$ for heavier bags too.

Then again, if you can afford big SUV's and Luxury cars, you can afford extra costs. 

The airlines are looking at that because of the way they do their planning for fuel and aircraft weight and balance calculations.  The older airplane airframes were designed from the standpoint of the average passenger weight being 180 lbs and carrying 35 lbs of luggage.  Heavier people and baggage means weights and balances are higher, power settings for cruise are higher, fuel requirements are higher, strain on engine and airframe are higher.  Overall expenses go up as aircraft weight goes up much more than people think.  I don't blame them, it's expensive to fly an aircraft for hire.

The OP's mindset frightens me.

Originally posted by goobama

Seriously, this should be a law. Do you know how much pollution these cars are causing? i admit they have their valid uses but they are more for show now than ever. Hell even today I saw one fricken old man in a UCon Denali. One of the biggest SUV's out their. Now do you think he needed that car? He could have bought a Civic or Prias for way cheaper and reduced his emisions. This is why our global warming is sending our planet to hell. Their should be a new law requiring a person to validate their reason for buying such a large car. This would help save our world.

I have a better idea, why not a permit to hunt SUVs, Vans, and Trucks. We could have like, an open season. People set up SUV blinds at the side of the freeway, bait them with gasoline cans, shoot them, tie them to the bumper of their car, bring them home, and mount the front grill up over the fireplace.

Originally posted by goobama

Originally posted by gnomexxx

This has to be one of the craziest things I've read on this site.  You think people who drive trucks should have a permit? 

I drive a truck.  I like having it because it comes in handy a lot.  I also just plain like trucks.  So what???  Get over your authoritative self.  You want to drive a little piece of crap, go right ahead.  It's called personal choice and freedom.  Don't like it?  Then tough.  Since when should people have to bow down to what you think is right?

What I think is right. Ha. Take a look at any Europian country. Notice how they barely have ANY large cars. Its because of gas prices and they are more concerned about the enviroment. But no, in the good ole' US of A we have conservative dick heads who could not give a rat's about the enviroment as long as it does not affect them.

Why don't you move to one of those European countries if you think they are more suitable to your philosophy.  I do not want to ride around in a go cart with a covered shell over it.  I prefer my great big comfortable truck.

Originally posted by daeandor

Originally posted by outfctrl

I dont know, but the way things are going, I wouldnt be surprised if some fee would apply to gas guzzlers.  Look at what the airlines are planning.  Flying by weight. 

Anyone over 220 lbs would be charged extra.  Extra $$ for heavier bags too.

Then again, if you can afford big SUV's and Luxury cars, you can afford extra costs. 

The airlines are looking at that because of the way they do their planning for fuel and aircraft weight and balance calculations.  The older airplane airframes were designed from the standpoint of the average passenger weight being 180 lbs and carrying 35 lbs of luggage.  Heavier people and baggage means weights and balances are higher, power settings for cruise are higher, fuel requirements are higher, strain on engine and airframe are higher.  Overall expenses go up as aircraft weight goes up much more than people think.  I don't blame them, it's expensive to fly an aircraft for hire.

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Originally posted by outfctrl

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Originally posted by daeandor

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Originally posted by outfctrl

I dont know, but the way things are going, I wouldnt be surprised if some fee would apply to gas guzzlers. Look at what the airlines are planning. Flying by weight.
Anyone over 220 lbs would be charged extra. Extra $$ for heavier bags too.
Then again, if you can afford big SUV's and Luxury cars, you can afford extra costs.

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The airlines are looking at that because of the way they do their planning for fuel and aircraft weight and balance calculations. The older airplane airframes were designed from the standpoint of the average passenger weight being 180 lbs and carrying 35 lbs of luggage. Heavier people and baggage means weights and balances are higher, power settings for cruise are higher, fuel requirements are higher, strain on engine and airframe are higher. Overall expenses go up as aircraft weight goes up much more than people think. I don't blame them, it's expensive to fly an aircraft for hire.

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Makes sense. I personally do not want to fly again. I used to fly up to NY every Thanksgiving to visit my Mom. She passed away in March. The last trip I made was last thanksgiving. There were so many delays, I ended up sleeping on the floor in Laguardia airport in the baggage area, the heat was out and I froze my butt off.
I will never fly again. Everyone was so rude on top of it. Some bum tried to rob me too. LOL

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