Originally posted by HYPERI0N

I will just say sometime ago when i was around 9 - 11 months old with about 8.4 Million skill-points i did once kill a PvP'ers Armaggedon with a battle-cruiser [the Ferox i think.] I basically one day after having some of my mining buddies ganked by him [Again] i decided to give it a go at hunting him and hopefully succeeding to get him. So knowing what setup he liked to use i fitted my ship appropriately to the task.

 

Anyway after patrolling the asteroid belts i met up with him. I admit i was doubtful i would succeed but i activated my ECM jammers anyway [they were racial jammers highly effective against his ship] and i warp jammed him.

So in the end he couldn't target me most of the time or warp out as i was faster than him and could keep him in range for warp jamming. In time i caused him some damage till the rest of the corp showed up to exact some payback and his ship was killed.

 

Point is that on my own i did the following.

I fitted my ship properly after a few months experience.

I jammed his guns targeting sensors.

I jammed his warp drive preventing him from escaping.

 

Conclusion:- If i had to i could have taken him out.

don't  brag about your skills if you had only played if for a few months you had help from your corp how to fit the ship.. and you had practice... no one would go against a bigger ship without knowing a few things..

and yeah that was your only purpose to jam him.. but if he had proper tanking he could hold any tech 1 cruiser 1 vs 1 ... but since you had your gank party I guess it was not a problem and if he had lousy tanking I doubt you could take him out but if as the OP is trying to say is that if it's a veteran he

1. knows how to fit his ship

2. he knows how to use his fitting

3. he has experience

I've killed a bunch of silly guys in a BS no problem even with a frig... I mean some people in BS is not competent to drive it even if they are able... those incident is not so frequently now tho but it used to be lots of funny guys without a clue about tanking going to low sec and die..

Originally posted by jakojako
.....

"But why are the only people in pvp insane veterans??" Well, this is because they kill everyone that even attempts to go into "low-sec" (the pvp area of the game). 

Sure, you might see a guy who's been playing for 3 months that you might have a chance of killing roaming around in low sec, but chances are, the moment that person dies, he's never coming back into low sec.

So to answer the question above, ask yourself this: Would you bother trying to fight someone that has MILLIONS of more skill points than you and will blow you to pieces in an instant? Chances are you're going to say "no", which is EXACTLY why there's no new players in low-sec at all. 

I thought only mission runners went to low sec. The good stuff is in 0.0. You claim to be a pvper yet all you talk about is low sec. No one goes to lowsec because there is nothing in lowsec. The good rare ores, fat rats, and great exploration sites is in 0.0

pvpers go to 0.0 for some fun skirmishes. The pirates go to low sec to kill people on their way to 0.0 or Cosmos regions

You really failed to point out the real issues the vets complain about like the nerfs, blobs, and lags from blobs

Eve is a game where player skills and know-how make a much bigger contribution to how good you perform than SPs.

Give the OP 10M SPs and a ship of his choice, and a 5-year old vet in a 700K SP alt, have them go head to head, and I'd put my money on the alt to at least stalemate.

Originally posted by funnylumpy

 

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

I will just say sometime ago when i was around 9 - 11 months old with about 8.4 Million skill-points i did once kill a PvP'ersPvP'ersArmaggedonArmaggedonwith a battle-cruiserFeroxthe Ferox i think.] I basically one day after having some of gankeding buddies ganked by him [Again] i decided to give it a go at hunting him and hopefully succeeding to get him. So knowing what setup he liked to use i fitted my ship appropriately to the task.

 

Anyway after patrolling the asteroid belts i met up with him. I admit i was doubtful i would succeed but ijammersactivatedCM jammers anywayjammerswere racial jammers highly effective against his ship] and i warp jammed him.

So in the end he couldn't target me most of the time or warp out as i was faster than him and could keep him in range for warp jamming. In time i caused him some damage till the rest of the corp showed up to exact some payback and his ship was killed.

 

Point is that on my own i did the following.

I fitted my ship properly after a few months experience.

I jammed his guns targeting sensors.

I jammed his warp drive preventing him from escaping.

 

Conclusion:- If i had to i could have taken him out.

 

don't  brag about your skills if you had only played if for a few months you had help from your corp how to fit the ship.. and you had practice... no one would go against a bigger ship without knowing a few things..

and yeah that was your only purpose to jam him.. but if he had proper tanking he could hold any tech 1 cruiser 1 vs 1 ... but ganke you had your gank party I guess it was not a problem and if he had lousy tanking I doubt you could take him out but if as the OP is trying to say is that if it's a veteran he

1. knows how to fit his ship

2. he knows how to use his fitting

3. he has experience

 

I've killed a bunch of silly guys in a BS no problem even with a frig... I mean some people in BS is not competent to drive it even if they are able... those incident is not so frequently now tho but it used to be lots of funny guys without a clue about tanking going to low sec and die..

 

A few questions.

1. Where did i say the corp helped me set up my ship?

2. I knew what he was flying and what mods he used so why would i need help?

3. Where did i say this was NOT my first solo  PvP attempt?

And funally i never said i had a gank squad i just  decided to invite some friends over to have some fun with ower old 'Friend'. I could have taken him as he was in armour and i had plenty of ammo at the time [his ship had virtually no tank as it was fitted for a warp in and gank engagement].

So yea not a great tank for me to break but then again it was my first PvP, i wanted to be farly sure for my first solo attempt once i proved to myself i could beat him i invited some friends over to finish him off. In the end tho it was a lot of fun for us all and we didnt see him again for a couple of months either.

 And the reason i shared this story was that i was about 9 months old at the time he was over 18 months old. He was an experienced Ganker i was not experienced in PvP at all exept in the Theory of PvP [i.e. what to fit against certain setups how to aproach someone etc]. I shared this storry because.

A. it was my first PvP battle and i was proud of how i won [superior intelegence as i knew EXACTLY how he fitted his ship and equiped myself apropriatly].

B. He had more SP than me and more PvP experience.

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

 

Originally posted by funnylumpy

 

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

I will just say sometime ago when i was around 9 - 11 months old with about 8.4 Million skill-points i did once kill a PvP'ersPvP'ersArmaggedonArmaggedonwith a battle-cruiserFeroxthe Ferox i think.] I basically one day after having some of gankeding buddies ganked by him [Again] i decided to give it a go at hunting him and hopefully succeeding to get him. So knowing what setup he liked to use i fitted my ship appropriately to the task.

 

Anyway after patrolling the asteroid belts i met up with him. I admit i was doubtful i would succeed but ijammersactivatedCM jammers anywayjammerswere racial jammers highly effective against his ship] and i warp jammed him.

So in the end he couldn't target me most of the time or warp out as i was faster than him and could keep him in range for warp jamming. In time i caused him some damage till the rest of the corp showed up to exact some payback and his ship was killed.

 

Point is that on my own i did the following.

I fitted my ship properly after a few months experience.

I jammed his guns targeting sensors.

I jammed his warp drive preventing him from escaping.

 

Conclusion:- If i had to i could have taken him out.

 

don't  brag about your skills if you had only played if for a few months you had help from your corp how to fit the ship.. and you had practice... no one would go against a bigger ship without knowing a few things..

and yeah that was your only purpose to jam him.. but if he had proper tanking he could hold any tech 1 cruiser 1 vs 1 ... but ganke you had your gank party I guess it was not a problem and if he had lousy tanking I doubt you could take him out but if as the OP is trying to say is that if it's a veteran he

1. knows how to fit his ship

2. he knows how to use his fitting

3. he has experience

 

I've killed a bunch of silly guys in a BS no problem even with a frig... I mean some people in BS is not competent to drive it even if they are able... those incident is not so frequently now tho but it used to be lots of funny guys without a clue about tanking going to low sec and die..

 

A few questions.

 

1. Where did i say the corp helped me set up my ship?

2. I knew what he was flying and what mods he used so why would i need help?

3. Where did i say this was NOT my first solo  PvP attempt?

And funally i never said i had a gank squad i just  decided to invite some friends over to have some fun with ower old 'Friend'. I could have taken him as he was in armour and i had plenty of ammo at the time [his ship had virtually no tank as it was fitted for a warp in and gank engagement].

 

So yea not a great tank for me to break but then again it was my first PvP, i wanted to be farly sure for my first solo attempt once i proved to myself i could beat him i invited some friends over to finish him off. In the end tho it was a lot of fun for us all and we didnt see him again for a couple of months either.

 And the reason i shared this story was that i was about 9 months old at the time he was over 18 months old. He was an experienced Ganker i was not experienced in PvP at all exept in the Theory of PvP [i.e. what to fit against certain setups how to aproach someone etc]. I shared this storry because.

A. it was my first PvP battle and i was proud of how i won [superior intelegence as i knew EXACTLY how he fitted his ship and equiped myself apropriatly].

B. He had more SP than me and more PvP experience.

Your story is a big hole in itself only yourself would believe that you figured things out by your own then had your corp jump in.. so yeah in a way you told me that you had help from your corp to make the rig.

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

 

Originally posted by funnylumpy

 

try to keep the quote right moron I'm not the OP..  and I've been playing EVE for 4 years so I know what I'm talking about. Constant double clicking is just to show how bad you play pvp in EVE.

Doesn't matter which direction you're heading unless your aligned to an escape point the guns/missiles will hit you anyway if you're fighting skilled people.  As for tanking helps but only a little if you're fighting against more people and that will you in most cases do unless you're a hit and run type of guy.

Learn to read asshole. The first part of my quote was yours but then I switched over to commenting on the OPs post rather than start a new post.

 

You played for 4 years and have no idea what manual flying is all about ? No wonder you are crying about sucking in pvp. Some ships really need you to manually control your ship to get full effect out of them but I guess you are too busy setting orbit and turning on guns and hoping you win. Too bad you can't crasp the concept of controlling range and transversal speeds to make sure you hit and your opponent misses. Since you played for 4 years and you know what you are talking about I guess that means since I played since beta I know more than you.

It doesn't matter which direction you are heading ? Wow. this really shows how much you know which really is nothing. Transversal velocity means ALOT and the truly skilled players know how to maneuver their ships manually to make sure that transversal are always in their favor. You probably still believe that speed and sig radius means nothing to missile damage too ?

 

When you qoute people and you posted fair enough with colour text partially but you changed and you have some white which seems like it was qouted from me you should put it underneath the qoutebox.

omg you're truly senil aren't you? I mean I haven't cried about sucking in pvp only that the game sucks as a pvp game. but then again think you would need some reading lessons yourself.

As for transversal velocity has little or nothing to say unless you are flying either  towards or away from enemy. As for orbiting I guess it's your strategy since you're talking about it really.

I recon according to you enemy will always see your rear when you flee from the battle to lessen the damage taken or a avoid dying.

What I was pointing out was the fact that no matter how you position yourself will not make people mis even if you double click crazy as you do I've tried that as well it is pointless and draws focus away.

As well s any obstacles in the way won't stop your weapons.

The amount of damage you save from doing this kinda is not going to save your arse unless you're one vs one and thus pointless. So I recon you don't fight bigger battles or are the 1st one out running away.

I believe an ass when I see one...

Originally posted by funnylumpy

 

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

 

Originally posted by funnylumpy

 

try to keep the quote right moron I'm not the OP..  and I've been playing EVE for 4 years so I know what I'm talking about. Constant double clicking is just to show how bad you play pvp in EVE.

Doesn't matter which direction you're heading unless your aligned to an escape point the guns/missiles will hit you anyway if you're fighting skilled people.  As for tanking helps but only a little if you're fighting against more people and that will you in most cases do unless you're a hit and run type of guy.

Learn to read asshole. The first part of my quote was yours but then I switched over to commenting on the OPs post rather than start a new post.

 

You played for 4 years and have no idea what manual flying is all about ? No wonder you are crying about sucking in pvp. Some ships really need you to manually control your ship to get full effect out of them but I guess you are too busy setting orbit and turning on guns and hoping you win. Too bad you can't crasp the concept of controlling range and transversal speeds to make sure you hit and your opponent misses. Since you played for 4 years and you know what you are talking about I guess that means since I played since beta I know more than you.

It doesn't matter which direction you are heading ? Wow. this really shows how much you know which really is nothing. Transversal velocity means ALOT and the truly skilled players know how to maneuver their ships manually to make sure that transversal are always in their favor. You probably still believe that speed and sig radius means nothing to missile damage too ?

 

 

When you quote people and you posted fair enough with colour text partially but you changed and you have some white which seems like it was quote from me you should put it underneath the quotebox.

Omg you're truly senile aren't you? I mean I haven't cried about sucking in pvp only that the game sucks as a pvp game. But then again think you would need some reading lessons yourself.

The only people that think Eve sucks as a pvp game are people that suck at it.

As for transversal velocity has little or nothing to say unless you are flying either  towards or away from enemy. As for orbiting I guess it's your strategy since you're talking about it really.

Thanks for proving you don't know how or even what transversal velocity even is.

I reckon according to you enemy will always see your rear when you flee from the battle to lessen the damage taken or a avoid dying.

Uh ? Is this supposed to mean that I think transversal is going towards or away from someone ? If so then yet more proof you don;t know what you are talking about.

What I was pointing out was the fact that no matter how you position yourself will not make people mis even if you double click crazy as you do I've tried that as well it is pointless and draws focus away.

As well s any obstacles in the way won't stop your weapons.

Oh really ? Position means nothing ? Sure missiles and bullets go through objects but position in terms of range do matter. Don't forget that ships cannot go through other ships.

The amount of damage you save from doing this kinda is not going to save your arse unless you're one vs one and thus pointless. So I reckon you don't fight bigger battles or are the 1st one out running away.

Here's a guide for you to try and learn how transversal works www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g61_5.asp. You might want to read it over a few times. Pages 3 and 4 are the ones you want. Here's a hint: transversal is not moving towards or away from your target.

I believe an ass when I see one...

Lol, you believe asses.

There, I fixed your horrible spelling. I left the big grammar fuck ups just to show how stupid you truly are. I even used 2 colours for you. Orange for your spelling and grammar fuck ups and yellow for my responses to your bullshit. When you call someone a moron you better make sure you aren't retarded yourself.

Edit: I hope I formatted the 'qoute'  to your awesome standards.

Originally posted by vajuras

 

Originally posted by jakojako
.....

"But why are the only people in pvp insane veterans??" Well, this is because they kill everyone that even attempts to go into "low-sec" (the pvp area of the game). 

Sure, you might see a guy who's been playing for 3 months that you might have a chance of killing roaming around in low sec, but chances are, the moment that person dies, he's never coming back into low sec.

So to answer the question above, ask yourself this: Would you bother trying to fight someone that has MILLIONS of more skill points than you and will blow you to pieces in an instant? Chances are you're going to say "no", which is EXACTLY why there's no new players in low-sec at all. 

 

I thought only mission runners went to low sec. The good stuff is in 0.0. You claim to be a pvper yet all you talk about is low sec. No one goes to lowsec because there is nothing in lowsec. The good rare ores, fat rats, and great exploration sites is in 0.0

pvpers go to 0.0 for some fun skirmishes. The pirates go to low sec to kill people on their way to 0.0 or Cosmos regions

You really failed to point out the real issues the vets complain about like the nerfs, blobs, and lags from blobs

Don't even post if you don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by funnylumpy

 

Originally posted by BigDave7481

Ok here is dis-proof to the OP's statements.

 

-2 month old char in Blackbird, 2 mill sp

-Me in a T2 fitted Megathron, 45 mill sp

BB points, webs, jams me... im dead.

 

Im more scared of that 2 month old Blackbird pilot then I am of a 5 year old vet in a T2 fitted BS.

 

lol well I can assure you that was not a noob player.. :) and 2nd who would use a BS tech 1? they're outdated years ago... and your tanking must have sucked really really badly.. a blackbird? I mean was he alone?

Aparently you have no idea how Pvp works in Eve but I will spell it out for you... JAMMING is what the Blackbird is very, very good at.  Within 2 months a new player can make a very good jamming blackbird, I know because I train them how, and I can assure you that they were 100% noobs. 

So this 2 month old blackbird has ECM jammers on and runs into a Mega with a T2 fit, points, webs and jams this mega, well guess what?  That Mega can't lock a single thing to attack so the BB can take his time killing the BS.  Tada!  2 month old blackbird pilot just pwnd a 5 year vet in a very expensive Battleship.

PS: "2nd who would use a BS tech 1? they're outdated years ago"  What bullshit is this?  the tech 2 BS are role fitted and to very small roles.  Do you even know what the tech 2 BS do?  yeah didnt think so.

Originally posted by funnylumpy

 

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

 

Originally posted by funnylumpy

 

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

I will just say sometime ago when i was around 9 - 11 months old with about 8.4 Million skill-points i did once kill a PvP'ersPvP'ersArmaggedonArmaggedonwith a battle-cruiserFeroxthe Ferox i think.] I basically one day after having some of gankeding buddies ganked by him [Again] i decided to give it a go at hunting him and hopefully succeeding to get him. So knowing what setup he liked to use i fitted my ship appropriately to the task.

 

Anyway after patrolling the asteroid belts i met up with him. I admit i was doubtful i would succeed but ijammersactivatedCM jammers anywayjammerswere racial jammers highly effective against his ship] and i warp jammed him.

So in the end he couldn't target me most of the time or warp out as i was faster than him and could keep him in range for warp jamming. In time i caused him some damage till the rest of the corp showed up to exact some payback and his ship was killed.

 

Point is that on my own i did the following.

I fitted my ship properly after a few months experience.

I jammed his guns targeting sensors.

I jammed his warp drive preventing him from escaping.

 

Conclusion:- If i had to i could have taken him out.

 

don't  brag about your skills if you had only played if for a few months you had help from your corp how to fit the ship.. and you had practice... no one would go against a bigger ship without knowing a few things..

and yeah that was your only purpose to jam him.. but if he had proper tanking he could hold any tech 1 cruiser 1 vs 1 ... but ganke you had your gank party I guess it was not a problem and if he had lousy tanking I doubt you could take him out but if as the OP is trying to say is that if it's a veteran he

1. knows how to fit his ship

2. he knows how to use his fitting

3. he has experience

 

I've killed a bunch of silly guys in a BS no problem even with a frig... I mean some people in BS is not competent to drive it even if they are able... those incident is not so frequently now tho but it used to be lots of funny guys without a clue about tanking going to low sec and die..

 

A few questions.

 

1. Where did i say the corp helped me set up my ship?

2. I knew what he was flying and what mods he used so why would i need help?

3. Where did i say this was NOT my first solo  PvP attempt?

And funally i never said i had a gank squad i just  decided to invite some friends over to have some fun with ower old 'Friend'. I could have taken him as he was in armour and i had plenty of ammo at the time [his ship had virtually no tank as it was fitted for a warp in and gank engagement].

 

So yea not a great tank for me to break but then again it was my first PvP, i wanted to be farly sure for my first solo attempt once i proved to myself i could beat him i invited some friends over to finish him off. In the end tho it was a lot of fun for us all and we didnt see him again for a couple of months either.

 And the reason i shared this story was that i was about 9 months old at the time he was over 18 months old. He was an experienced Ganker i was not experienced in PvP at all exept in the Theory of PvP [i.e. what to fit against certain setups how to aproach someone etc]. I shared this storry because.

A. it was my first PvP battle and i was proud of how i won [superior intelegence as i knew EXACTLY how he fitted his ship and equiped myself apropriatly].

B. He had more SP than me and more PvP experience.

 

Your story is a big hole in itself only yourself would believe that you figured things out by your own then had your corp jump in.. so yeah in a way you told me that you had help from your corp to make the rig.

 

I wont argue with you anymore as i can see your just baiting me now.

Lol, poor Lumpy. Proven wrong on everything he has said so far. The only things he has gotten right so far are some ship names and that's it. It's almost as if for the 4 years he claims to have played all he did was sit in a station and forum trolled reading up on the game but never actually putting any of it into practice. That would explain why the shit he says is sorta almost kinda close to being something resembling right but in the end being so off base it's ridiculous.

Originally posted by x_rast_x

Eve is a game where player skills and know-how make a much bigger contribution to how good you perform than SPs.

Give the OP 10M SPs and a ship of his choice, and a 5-year old vet in a 700K SP alt, have them go head to head, and I'd put my money on the alt to at least stalemate.

You guys KNOW that whoever has the most SP and has been playing for the most amount of time will most likely always win fights, but for some odd reason you cannot throw in your pride and just show (through some kind of post) that you agree with me. I guess it's some kind of conformity thing, or you're too scared to agree with me in the chance that some others might bash you.

 Finally: Trust me, a 10M SP person will always kill someone with 8M SP or less...

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

Lol, poor Lumpy. Proven wrong on everything he has said so far. The only things he has gotten right so far are some ship names and that's it. It's almost as if for the 4 years he claims to have played all he did was sit in a station and forum trolled reading up on the game but never actually putting any of it into practice. That would explain why the shit he says is sorta almost kinda close to being something resembling right but in the end being so off base it's ridiculous.

I'm going to assume you're directing that message to me. Now I don't normally make assumptions, as they're for idiots, but I will assume that you are talking to me through analysis of your post. I will respond of course, on the defensive, as you have seemed to choose the offensive (or troll) position.

"The only things he has gotten right so far are some ship names and that's it." Please quote one time I said a ship name. (This is a reason for me and others to believe that he hasn't read any of my posts, he's just talking out of his ass)

As for the rest of your post, I cannot even respond to it because it obviously shows that you have no idea of what my point that i'm trying to get across is. Once you prove to me that you have read my post(s), (at least the main one) I will respond to the rest of your post. Until then, don't expect a response, kiddies.

Originally posted by jakojako

 

Originally posted by x_rast_x

Eve is a game where player skills and know-how make a much bigger contribution to how good you perform than SPs.

Give the OP 10M SPs and a ship of his choice, and a 5-year old vet in a 700K SP alt, have them go head to head, and I'd put my money on the alt to at least stalemate.

It's unfortunate that 80% of you are too fat-headed to agree with my statement. This game doesn't rely at ALL on player skill.. All the player has to do is target someone, click orbit, and control offense/defense until one of the two people die. 

 

 Trust me, a 10M SP person will always kill someone with 8M SP or less...

10m SPs vs 8mil SPs doesn't mean anything in Eve. This isn't a level based game. Those skillpoints need to be in the right places for the situation at hand to have any real meaning. What if the 10mil SP player has 9 mil of those is manufacturing and the 8mil guy has 7mil in gunnery ? What if the 10mil SP player has them all in drones and is flying a drone ship such as a Vexor as an example and the 8mil SP player is smart enough to take out those drones first and fast ? Does the 10mil SP player still automatically win like you say we should trust you will happen ?

You and Lumpy should be tired of being proved wrong by now. But I guess we're all to fat headed to agree with you when we know that you are wrong.

Originally posted by Lordmonkus

 

Originally posted by jakojako

 

Originally posted by x_rast_x

Eve is a game where player skills and know-how make a much bigger contribution to how good you perform than SPs.

Give the OP 10M SPs and a ship of his choice, and a 5-year old vet in a 700K SP alt, have them go head to head, and I'd put my money on the alt to at least stalemate.

It's unfortunate that 80% of you are too fat-headed to agree with my statement. This game doesn't rely at ALL on player skill.. All the player has to do is target someone, click orbit, and control offense/defense until one of the two people die. 

 

 Trust me, a 10M SP person will always kill someone with 8M SP or less...

Ok, seriously now you must be truly retarded. To make these kinds of statements is beyond normal human thought. You come off as the most arrogant twat ever and if that weren't bad enough you aren't even close to being correct. Arrogance can almost be tolerated if the person is right but when they are wrong in every way then you just plain suck.

 

10m SPs vs 8mil SPs doesn't mean anything in Eve. This isn't a level based game. Those skillpoints need to be in the right places for the situation at hand to have any real meaning. What if the 10mil SP player has 9 mil of those is manufacturing and the 8mil guy has 7mil in gunnery ? What if the 10mil SP player has them all in drones and is flying a drone ship such as a Vexor as an example and the 8mil SP player is smart enough to take out those drones first and fast ? Does the 10mil SP player still automatically win like you say we should trust you will happen ?

You and Lumpy should be tired of being proved wrong by now. But I guess we're all to fat headed to agree with you when we know that you are wrong.

Now, I understand that your comprehension is far below mine, but please understand that other's views on matters are just as important as yours and if you cannot understand that, you are another waste of brain-cells.

So please, before you make yourself look more "retarded" by bashing people with absolutely no regard for what they're trying to get across, get out of this thread.

Originally posted by jakojako                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
True, in no game can a noob kill a 3 year old player, but in every other game that noob has a CHANCE to eventually get to that 3 year old player's level and CHALLENGE him/her.

yes, do you know why? because those 3 year old players are artificially capped at level 80 and cant progress any further. how on earth that is a better solution to you, i do not know. i know i prefer to play a game where my advancement will never be halted just to make it easy on new players.

about the rest of your post. really, you just proved what most EVE players love about the game: only smart people will succeed.

i have 2 characters, one has 55 million sp, the other has 28 million. if they were to fight, the 28 million would win almost every time. the younger char has specialized strictly on T2 cruisers and battlecruisers, and is a fearsome sleipnir/vagabond fighter.

the older char is a great miner, industrialist, inventor, trader and corp manager, but cant fly any combat ship bigger than a destroyer.

but that is not all. yes, there is more. EVE is the only game where 5 one-month old players will easily beat a single 5 year old player.

but do not go away yet. yes, there is even more. even a veteran character, pvp trained, can be caught unprepared on a vulnerable ship and get beaten by a much younger player on a well fitted ship.

and you know the best part? you will completely ignore this whole post cause its just unrefutable, and will continue to post your stupid nonsense garbling, and, and yes, this is the best part, you will remain away of this great game and refrain us from your presence.

oh god, how i love the internets

I understand what you are trying to get across. If it were correct then I would give it some regard but since  everything you have said is completely false then I will not  give it any respect and I will prove you wrong every time.

So now instead of bashing pointlessly and spewing arrogance why don't you take some time to try and prove what I have said wrong and prove yourself right other than just saying 'trust me'.

To OP, your wrong mate think about it 80% of ppl dont agree with you for a reason..

You obvisley got stung in eve and did not like it, ok move on, the game is not for you.

Me personaly I love EVE, Great experiance, I have played a few times unsuccessfully in the past i remember salvaging only coming in(not that long but hey..)I mostly gimped myself on useless skills but i had another shot about 5 months ago and am having a blast.

I let my account run out recently but im getting it back up for this expansion, plus i miss my alliance/corp mates , my brothers in arms, to me OP it sounds like you were solo and trust me having a decent corp and alliance makes a hugh difference, im in 0.0 CVA space and always have someting to do Even if it's camping a station or gate ZZzzZZ heh.

Yes i will return to do my whack, ammo runs, camps, Miner Protection, WAR ... Wondering why i let my sub run out

How will the upcomming FACTIONS expansion affect EVE gameplay ?