General Discussion

Originally posted by nariusseldon

 

I highly doubt there are millions of you. Certainly these "millions" of you never go to play the sandbox games of UO or Eve.

The success of AoC more or less tell us which way the developers are likely to go.

 

You go where the gold/credits/money is.

Success has to be measured in finances in business endeavors.

Even if a game gave gamers everything it wanted out of an MMO, yet didn't sell well; only the developers and loyal fans would call it a success.

guys WOW is the king of the hill because is made for EVERYBOBY, even a congresswomen plays it FFS. At first look that is not bad, but the features in the game for mmorpg player that played games like AOC, Ultima Online, EVE Online, Anarchy Online, SWG, are CRAPSTASTIC!!!

The game is very polished, copied some of the good features from old mmorpg, made them simple, somewhat better in some cases, filled the game with great pve content in general, and story, and filled it with no consequence for your actions, with incredible stupid pvp, and grind raids and tiers, so they will have your cashy each month for some crappy addon that bassicly does the same. And it does miracles, because it was done very well, polished, and great fuking marketing ala Blizzard.

No what u need to ask you what u want? A streamline very well made, polished mmorpg, with 12309823 gazilions of subscribers, and simple features and no risc - rewards as WOW, OR

You want a game that moves to next generation, by not copying the others, or wanting to be the next WOW. by trying to move on, by coming with great features on pve and pvp, and with 1-2 mil subscribers world wide, cause after all a good mmorpg will not be good for everybody, because if you make it like WOW, from a mmorpg veteran, and creativity stand point U WILL FAIl, but will milk the cow...for ever...Games like EVE Online, DAOC(in the old days), SWG(old days, Ultima Online and Asherson Call, features that WOW first mmorpg times, woudnt believe they exists, and how nice they were...

MMORPG Industry instead of evolving at the features, in the last 10 years, just evolve in graphics, and dumb down the gameplay, and most of the features started to dissapeared, so they can get cash from any JOE out there, so it all about the cashy.

I still hope that WAR will do well, but only time will tell, if not my hope goes to small developer on games like Jumpgate, Spellborn and others, that are not promoted every fuking day, like that craptastic beta AGE OF Conan, that is on every site, every day, and the game suffers badly in reality. MMORPG ? Where Age of Instanced Empty Content and Broken Features.

IT ALL ABOUT THE MONEY FOR THEM...

RANT OFF :))

Originally posted by nariusseldon

 

Originally posted by Apostata

It's not a question of anything knocking out WoW. It's a question of designers being original enough to make games for all of us who hate WoW's guts, and be happy to work in the shadow of WoW simply because they couldn't care less about a game they didn't like.

For instance, I seriously want a fantasy sandbox MMO with permadeath (the real kind) and no spawning, and I want a sandbox social simulator MMO with an economy (not just a 3d chat room).

Yes, you can kill me now.

But my specific taste in games is not the point. The point is, I'm not alone. There are millions of us who just don't play MMORPG's at all because we think the whole genre stinks. In other words, when games start being made for people who don't enjoy WoW, some of these will sooner or later become hugely successful in their own right, and little by little, the old WoW tyrant will be forced into the sidelines. That's how gaming has always progressed (when it progressed). Not because a killer game entered the scene to slay the older killer game, but because the definition of gaming was transformed in the interim (in this case MMO's).

 

I highly doubt there are millions of you. Certainly these "millions" of you never go to play the sandbox games of UO or Eve.

 

That's because none of those games are up to my standards. I demand actual permadeath, for example.

blizzards top secret MMO has a shot.  warhammer has a shot (all depends on clean gold launch).

also there is a top secret mmo being created by http://www.38studios.com - that might be good, no one knows.

I tried the trial once, and hated it.  The graphics are too cartoon-like.  I couldn't get past that.  I love LOTRO and loved SWG.  I would still play SWG if my friends hadn't all bailed out on me.   I'm looking forward to looking at Warhammer.   But I don't get the attraction of WoW.   Too kiddy-like.

Nothing can beat WOW now or in the near future in my opinion.  Maybe Blizzard's new mmo currently in development will top WOW.  Hard to say, but even they might not be able to repeat their success.  I think there is a good likelyhood though if they are too be beaten it will be by their own game.

I think Lineage 2 could have done better also if they had catered to a more western approach, atleast for their north american launch. 

the only thing that can beat wow is if blizzard decides to make another wow server and make it an F2P server

for a moment there I read the thread title and thought that there would be an ACTUAL "King of the Hill" MMORPG lol!

Originally posted by Adamantine

I dont care if WoW is played by 3 people, 11 million people or where there are now, or 6 billion people.

Its not the game I want to play. End of story.

And why is this relevant to the thread? No one is asking what you like.

The thread is about speculation of when and if WOW will lose its #1 spot in the market. It has NOTHING to do with you.

Originally posted by Apostata 

That's because none of those games are up to my standards. I demand actual permadeath, for example.

LOL .. that is not a standard. It is a niche fetish of yours and no game will permadeath will be anywhere close to the success of WOW.