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MollyM  5/30/08 7:15:30 AM

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Hi Skam, Vedder, Nytewolf, Sarah, Kaiser, etc

And hi to everyone who's been here for ages as well

 

Yes, my first post here too and for the same reason. And, as an EU player of over two years now, I have to say that almost every post in this thread *can* be true. While I have some issues with MindArk (the developers), overall I have to say that I enjoy playing, I enjoy the friends that I have met through playing and I enjoy the time I spend there.

 

The option to deposit RL money has advantages and disadvantages - if you lose the amount you deposit for the month in the first week then yes, you're broke for the rest of the month. But if you want to take a break for a month or two, you don't have to pay for that month just to keep your hard-won account. You can choose whether or not to deposit and how much. You can tailor your expenses to suit your pocket. You have that choice. I'm on a low budget, I can't afford to deposit large amounts so I stick with what I can afford and play at that level.

 

MindArk is a business, not a charity. They have to pay their electricity bill, staff wages, etc. They have to make a profit or they go under and they chose to go with the micropayments option rather than monthly fee one. That's just the way it is - some people will prefer it, others won't.

 

'Sweating' the mobs (gathering a resource called 'Vibrant Sweat') is boring but free.  Let's face it - if it was fun, no-one would move on from that.  And of course you will get attacked by the mobs while doing it, and your avatar will die. Often. Big deal.  Revival is free, you don't lose experience, items or anything else except health - which regenerates with time - and you gain skills which are very useful later on when you start hunting. These skills can also be 'chipped out' and sold so you can make money from putting in $0.00 in RL terms.  It also gives you a chance to try the game for free (without a time limit) and decide whether you like it and want to continue playing. Do any other MMOs offer that?

And while we're on the subject, wearing armour to sweat the mobs is pointless. Of course it will decay when you get hit by the mobs - that's what it does - and the decay will eat up the profit you make from sweating. And with no Evade skill you will get hit a lot. So you start by building up your Evade by sweating, then when you start hunting the mobs will hit you less often because you already have some Evade skill!

 

To anyone wanting to try EU and see what all the fuss is about, I'd recommend the following, in this order:

  1. Go to a Society Terminal, find a Society that you like the sound of and apply to join. You will get loads of helpful advice from more experienced players. And ask questions - lots of them
  2. Sweat. Lots. Skill up the basics (Evade and Combat Reflexes) before you even touch a gun.
  3. Bookmark www.entropedia.info and www.entropiaforum.com for loads more info.
  4. Meet people, chat, have fun, make friends and get involved.

 

I look forward to hopefully seeing some new faces ingame

Best regards

 

Molly 'Red' Macguire

Captain

Pyrates of Calypso

 

 

 

 
Ozmodan  5/30/08 7:29:57 AM

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Nothing like making false statements to make this game seem innocuous. 

If you don't get it by now, they want you to feed the game money, it just means more for them.

Anyone who says you can play this game without spending any money is basically lying through their teeth. About the only thing you can do freely is wander around aimlessly.

Saying anything positive about this game just marks you are a shill for Mindark, one of the more dispicable developers out there.

 
MollyM  5/30/08 8:05:07 AM

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Originally posted by Ozmodan

Nothing like making false statements to make this game seem innocuous. 

If you don't get it by now, they want you to feed the game money, it just means more for them.

Anyone who says you can play this game without spending any money is basically lying through their teeth. About the only thing you can do freely is wander around aimlessly.

Saying anything positive about this game just marks you are a shill for Mindark, one of the more dispicable developers out there.

Point 1: Please tell me which statements I have made that are false.

 

Point 2: You say that feeding the game means I will get more back. I'd like to hear how you reach this conclusion. Do you mean that MA will somehow reward me for posting my experiences on this forum?

 

Point 3: It's a cheap shot to call someone a liar from behind the safety and anonymity of your internet connection. What I don't see is anything more than your opinion . Care to give me something to support that opinion?

 

Point 4: To consider that everyone who has something positive to say about EU is simply 'a shill for MA' is naive and simplistic at best. You present as someone who hasn't enjoyed the little time they spent there and who couldn't or wouldn't see that there are positive as well as negative aspects to EU - the same as everything else.

 

Rather than throwing out blanket assertions about 'everybody' or 'everything', try addressing yourself to the actual issues that concern you. And give some evidence or experience to back up these assertions. If you have any.

 

 
Briansho  5/30/08 9:45:30 AM

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Originally posted by EU_Vedder
Originally posted by Ozmodan

You have to love low post wonders defending their game.  You can call it what you please, but the game is gambling pure and simple.  If you play this game and you can't recognize you have a gambling addiction I feel sorry for you.

Sorry I have seen first hand what gambling does to people, it is not a pretty sight. 

Call this game a MMO is strictly a front, it is exactly the scam it is reported to be.  Calling someone respected in this game is like calling a mad dog, nice.

It's true that far the majority of people spend more money than they get back, but that's the same for all MMOs.

You should play EU for the fun imo.
Pay as much as you think the fun is worth to you, or play for free if you don't like paying at all. If you don't have fun, then quit. Simple as that.

 

You obviously don't like EU. Most people who hate EU as much as you, came to EU thinking they could win some easy money, and get very disappointed.

That's ofc not the right reason to start playing EU, and it's really kinda stupid if you think about it. Only your own stupidity to blame if that's why you hate it.

Kinda lame too, to spread lies about it being a scam. But I guess 'high post wonder' on this forum doesn't really mean your have any credibility. Sad sad, but now that I've stated my opinion, I don't really care anymore.

I'll just go back to 'my game' and have some fun.

bb

/Vedder

 

 

People mentioning the game being a scam got me thinking. Is Mindark doing the following?

 

A confidence trick, confidence game, or con for short (also known as a scam) is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as the mark) usually with the goal of financial or other gain. The confidence trickster, con man, scam artist or con artist often works with an accomplice called the shill, who tries to encourage the mark by pretending to believe the trickster.

Sometimes I get the feeling that Neverdie is the shill because he tries to make you believe you will get financial gain while there are long time players have never gained anything. Why wouldn't he explain to players that in order to experience the game to the fullest they might need to deposit, not invest, large amounts of money.

Is it misleading for them to say the game and software are free to play, but once you get into the game and discover its mechanics other players have inflated expensive items and they are not attainable unless you deposit large amounts of money? Sure you can have fun and not deposit but if you want to try other professions you are forced to deposit large sums of money. This is misleading and does not seem balanced to me. Everyones perception of fun is different but having to deposit more money to have more fun does not seem like a game to me and Mindark should not call it a game so much.

Darkaner  5/30/08 11:27:08 AM

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Originally posted by Briansho

 

 

People mentioning the game being a scam got me thinking. Is Mindark doing the following?

 

A confidence trick, confidence game, or con for short (also known as a scam) is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as the mark) usually with the goal of financial or other gain. The confidence trickster, con man, scam artist or con artist often works with an accomplice called the shill, who tries to encourage the mark by pretending to believe the trickster.

Sometimes I get the feeling that Neverdie is the shill because he tries to make you believe you will get financial gain while there are long time players have never gained anything. Why wouldn't he explain to players that in order to experience the game to the fullest they might need to deposit, not invest, large amounts of money.

Is it misleading for them to say the game and software are free to play, but once you get into the game and discover its mechanics other players have inflated expensive items and they are not attainable unless you deposit large amounts of money? Sure you can have fun and not deposit but if you want to try other professions you are forced to deposit large sums of money. This is misleading and does not seem balanced to me. Everyones perception of fun is different but having to deposit more money to have more fun does not seem like a game to me and Mindark should not call it a game so much.

 

MindArk does have problems when it comes to marketing the game, which we can see very clearly in this thread for example. Some people who had the wrong idea about EU when they tried it become very bitter and hostile, and this in tur