Wiccan........are you judge and jury.....that "not any more" response indicates envy and jealousy.. toward the OP and his guild.

How do you know if he's guilty or not?    You don't...you are ASSUMING.     Which..if it turns out later he's innocent........is not going to look good on you is it?

Funcom has already stated that some "innocents" were banned along with the guilty.........they were banned first and THEN...the file was being investigated on a case by case basis.

I have already seen this happen in another MMO...which proved a little embarrassing for the game company...ie Turbine.

I don't think anyone should be sitting here in this thread ASSUMING that they know what actually happened in this case.

And to the Staff Writer that repeatedly posted about some exploiting in that RAvine....you asked in OOC.....how valid is that?   That is not proof...that is hearsay and gossip being passed on by word of mouth.

How about we let Funcom and the OP decide between themselves if this person is guilty or not.

Usual procedure is innocent until proven guilty...................................

Lets try to keep a lid on our overzealous....pitchforks and the tar and feathers...til the REAL facts surface, otherwise we are no better than the cavemen that crawled out of the caves a few thousand years ago.

Yeesh

Cend

Congrats, you had a full city to sit around in and admire as it did nothing at all but use up your time and resources :D

Originally posted by onlinenow225

 

You guys need to stop being do damn hot headed.  FC is doing horrible, this game the way its going is going to be the biggest failure ever.

 they aren't banning people on hearsay or out of spite.  People are being banned based on facts.  You are a fool if you think funcom can't track every piece of copper as it flows through the game.  If a whole guild is punished for the actions of just a few members, I hope they can get it resolved.... but I don't doubt even a little bit that the level 80 guys running around with 100 gold got both f those things through liberal use of exploits.

I don't know anything about this specific case.  I have no idea why this dude was really banned..As you can see, he isn't even sure.  So we don't even have one full side of the story to go on.  I am not accusing him or anyone in his guild of doing anything.  I am just speaking in general on the policy of banning know exploiters.  Big fan.  It's good for the economy and community to kick those people out of the game.

There is nothing wrong with game if it is being played as intended.  It isn't perfect, but it is better than most games I have played at launch.  The implication that it is some huge buggy failure just shows your utter ignorance of the game.

Originally posted by Orphes

 

Originally posted by olddaddy

 

Originally posted by De_Valos

.........As for the specific reason as to why a specific account is banned, that is between the account holder and Funcom and not for public discussion........

Respectfully,

Adam "De`Valos" Young

Lead Database Administrator

Funcom Inc.

 

That is the most assinine statement I have yet to hear, and it appears to come from some dipshit that claims to be a Funcom employee. If this really is a Funcom employee, it shows a distinct lack of professionalism and judgement, and reflects very poorly on Funcom. It appears that, rather then explain/defend their actions, their sole purpose is to silence their detractors. If this is a Funcom employee, this response reflects non-existent customer relations skills, as it basically translates to "STFU".

Unless you have a non-disclosure statement signed by yourselves and the other party, Funcom cannot prevent that other party from going public and discussing the issue at question under US law. And, as the original poster is a US citizen, US law prevales, not Norwegian law.

And for a non-disclosure agreement to be enforceable in court, there must be an exchange of consideration, that is, you must give up something in consideration of the other party not disclosing your actions.

My suggestion is, that if you wish the parties you banned not to talk about your actions, you should pony up $1,000 to each party as consideration for signing a non-disclosure contract. There, now you have some free legal advice from a US lawyer.

Take you feeble attempt at censorship and shove it where the sun don't shine.

 

 

Ok? So regardless if it is Funcom rep or not. You are saying that the poster(the acclaimed Funcom rep) is saying that they are asking the banned to STFU or is he saying that he as a Funcom rep can't go into detail?

You pick. If you pick the latter one, I don't give much for your lawyer skill, sorry.

 

I understand that specific situations cannot be addressed. However, it this alledged Funcom employee had taken the time to present the Funcom position in a reasonable manner, rather than reflecting STFU as Funcom's poilicy, it would have shown much better customer relations.

As to my lawyer skill, it doesn't really matter to me what you think, I have the law degree, and have passed several bar exams and am licensed to practice in several states. And you? 

  I made a new script to determine cheaters within this post and I'm afraid your all fraken guilty.  Every single one of you, guilty and banned from MMORPG.com.  Perhaps some of you will have a problem with this.  Tough shit ..... please direct all complaints to the appropriate email address.  We'll deal with the mails when we can get to them ......

Is this so different from what Funcom did?   Guilty until proven innocent is spot on.  Why did Funcom do this?  It's really simple ....... because they can.  Would you put up with it in any other area of your life?

~Hairysun~

Wow... I remember the first time I "cursed" in EQ... I lost a level and like, 20 GM's showed up to wash my mouth out with soap. Then tey put a "swearing" filter in the game.

At least my frustration didn't get me banned; they protected the kiddies with a filter. Probably no worse than what their parents say while watching the superbowl, or doing their taxes.

Fix the BUG, not the PAYING CUSTOMER. Imagine a restaurant that has bad service and the customer "takes advantage" of a server and gets a whole lot of free sauce, or extra soup, or something, and that server is willing to bring it to them. FIRE THAT SERVER and make sure the customer realizes that they have to pay for extras in the future.

I'm assuming the banned user PAYED for hs original game and PAYED for the damned monthly fee (two months now?)... so what is that, over $100? Well over if he bought the limited edition.

Just do what FFXI did, Jailtime, and then back in the game. I guess FC and Hyboria is a Fascist regime.

When you sent an item or money from trader, it was getting duped immediately. If 100 people didnt notice that they were giving all their money over trader, and their money was staying in their pocket... I dont know what to tell about these 100 persons.

Well you can tell that all these people made a visit to the guild boss to give money 1 by 1 instead of sending from trader which is in every starter place... then yeah the guy would be innocent as Snowwhite.

Just I want to ask the defenders of this guy 1 question. How is it possible not to notice Item duping by 100 person?

I myself, found a nice item for my friend, sent it to my friend from trader. A strange magic and we got 2 of the item. My friend called GM and 1 answered 1 hour later (Now it takes days till they asnwer :( . At that time people were screaming over OOC channel how to dupe items openly.

That was day 1 after opening. These guys became level 80 and didnt notice what we noticed at level 10? Come on.

Originally posted by De_Valos

 

Originally posted by olddaddy

 

Originally posted by De_Valos

.........As for the specific reason as to why a specific account is banned, that is between the account holder and Funcom and not for public discussion........

Respectfully,

Adam "De`Valos" Young

Lead Database Administrator

Funcom Inc.

 

That is the most assinine statement I have yet to hear, and it appears to come from some dipshit that claims to be a Funcom employee. If this really is a Funcom employee, it shows a distinct lack of professionalism and judgement, and reflects very poorly on Funcom. It appears that, rather then explain/defend their actions, their sole purpose is to silence their detractors. If this is a Funcom employee, this response reflects non-existent customer relations skills, as it basically translates to "STFU".

Unless you have a non-disclosure statement signed by yourselves and the other party, Funcom cannot prevent that other party from going public and discussing the issue at question under US law. And, as the original poster is a US citizen, US law prevales, not Norwegian law.

And for a non-disclosure agreement to be enforceable in court, there must be an exchange of consideration, that is, you must give up something in consideration of the other party not disclosing your actions.

My suggestion is, that if you wish the parties you banned not to talk about your actions, you should pony up $1,000 to each party as consideration for signing a non-disclosure contract. There, now you have some free legal advice from a US lawyer.

Take you feeble attempt at censorship and shove it where the sun don't shine.

 

 My hat goes off to you...  Conspiracy Theory +1

I believe you've misinterpreted what was stated.  And that is in part due to how it was presented, my apologies for not being more precise.

How is this a conspiracy theory if you yourself admit that your presentation was not what you intended. Quite frankly, the Funcom policy of not allowing public access to the AOC community forums unless the game was purchased does not indicate Funcom support of open communication. Many potential buyers, myself included, wanted access to these forums to determine whether we should buy. Questions like what video cards are supported (most Nvidia, few ATI it appears) and other questions. I know, I tried accessing the AOC forums several times.

At no point did I state that the end user could not openly discuss their viewpoint of the events.  The point is, that it is Funcom who does not discuss the specific details of an account with the public.

At no point did you chose to discuss general Funcom policy and procedures to alleviate potential customer concerns. You did not address what actions led to the bans, how Funcom determines bans, how an appeal procedure works, and what the time frames are. Your statement was one that this is a private concern, so STFU.

With that said, there is also no guarantee that I represent Funcom nor that the OP was ever a customer.

No there is not, which is why I pointed out that you are either a dipshit, or a Funcom employee behaving in an unprofessional manner.

So assuming I am a Funcom employee, and that I am correct in my statement that no one has been banned for gold related issues since the May 27th downtime through the 1st of June.  Also, taking into account the OP reports he was banned for pooling gold on the 31st.  One of us is mistaken.

We can also assume you are a dipshit trying to sound like a Funcom employee. We can assume you are incorrect. We can assume the OP is incorrect. We can assume you are both trolls. That is the point of my post saying that your reply is assinine and unprofessional. If you are a Funcom employee, behave properly, come onto this forum, address the gold banning issue in a proper, professional manner, discuss how any potential errors are being addressed, and address the time frame of resolution.

Players of your game that are members of existing guilds that are concerned about their guilds future have a right to know. Those of us sitting on the fence evaluating your game/company would like to see something more than "STFU". Public relations like that sends the wrong signal. So, you are either a troll dipshit, or an piss poor example of Funcom customer service. Or maybe, you are the shining example of how piss poor Funcom customer service is? You pick. 

Respectfully,

Adam "De`Valos" Young

Lead Database Administrator

Funcom Inc.

 

*edit typos abound

Originally posted by Orphes

 

Originally posted by maskedweasel

 

Originally posted by De_Valos

 

Originally posted by olddaddy

 

Originally posted by De_Valos

.........As for the specific reason as to why a specific account is banned, that is between the account holder and Funcom and not for public discussion........

Respectfully,

Adam "De`Valos" Young

Lead Database Administrator

Funcom Inc.

 

That is the most assinine statement I have yet to hear, and it appears to come from some dipshit that claims to be a Funcom employee. If this really is a Funcom employee, it shows a distinct lack of professionalism and judgement, and reflects very poorly on Funcom. It appears that, rather then explain/defend their actions, their sole purpose is to silence their detractors. If this is a Funcom employee, this response reflects non-existent customer relations skills, as it basically translates to "STFU".

Unless you have a non-disclosure statement signed by yourselves and the other party, Funcom cannot prevent that other party from going public and discussing the issue at question under US law. And, as the original poster is a US citizen, US law prevales, not Norwegian law.

And for a non-disclosure agreement to be enforceable in court, there must be an exchange of consideration, that is, you must give up something in consideration of the other party not disclosing your actions.

My suggestion is, that if you wish the parties you banned not to talk about your actions, you should pony up $1,000 to each party as consideration for signing a non-disclosure contract. There, now you have some free legal advice from a US lawyer.

Take you feeble attempt at censorship and shove it where the sun don't shine.

 

 My hat goes off to you...  Conspiracy Theory +1

I believe you've misinterpreted what was stated.  And that is in part due to how it was presented, my apologies for not being more precise.

At no point did I state that the end user could not openly discuss their viewpoint of the events.  The point is, that it is Funcom who does not discuss the specific details of an account with the public.

With that said, there is also no guarantee that I represent Funcom nor that the OP was ever a customer.

So assuming I am a Funcom employee, and that I am correct in my statement that no one has been banned for gold related issues since the May 27th downtime through the 1st of June.  Also, taking into account the OP reports he was banned for pooling gold on the 31st.  One of us is mistaken.

 

Respectfully,

Adam "De`Valos" Young

Lead Database Administrator

Funcom Inc.

 

*edit typos abound

 

 

Either way the post is pointless. It doesn't give any specific information, and it's broad enough so that you're not tied to a damn word you say but created in a way that makes you look like you're in an authoritive position to give your 2 cents. 

Regardless.. people should not be banned for exploits.  Everyone on this thread that says "Oh cheaters should be banned"  exploiting isn't really a cheat... especially if it came in the original code that the developers produced.  They made their game that way, so they shouldn't get pissed if someone finds out they screwed up an otherwise mundane detail.

It's like if before a basketball game the NBA puts a trampoline in the paint of a basketball court.  During a game 2 people might use the trampoline to slam dunk.  The NBA "OH no thats cheating, kick them out of the game!"  The player.   "Well why is the trampoline on the court in the first place?"

Blame funcom, don't blame the player.  Unless he's using a 3rd party program it's absolutely NOT his fault whether it's gold, or an XP exploit when killing a monkey, or if he found an exploit to fly on a magical pink pony, if they put it in the game, he should be able to use it.. THE END.  If Funcom doesn't like it.. fix it you idiots!

 

Assuming NBA players are constructed like the rest of us humans they have feets. Is it ok to kick the basketball?

Funny thing about the NBA, they allow free throws as penalty shots, or the referee blows the whistle and allows the other team a throw in for a rules infraction. Seldom do players get thrown out, even less frequently do they get suspended....and I have yet to see the league permanently ban a player.

Isn't that just freaking amazing!

Originally posted by Altug

When you sent an item or money from trader, it was getting duped immediately. If 100 people didnt notice that they were giving all their money over trader, and their money was staying in their pocket... I dont know what to tell about these 100 persons.

Well you can tell that all these people made a visit to the guild boss to give money 1 by 1 instead of sending from trader which is in every starter place... then yeah the guy would be innocent as Snowwhite.

Just I want to ask the defenders of this guy 1 question. How is it possible not to notice Item duping by 100 person?

I myself, found a nice item for my friend, sent it to my friend from trader. A strange magic and we got 2 of the item. My friend called GM and 1 answered 1 hour later (Now it takes days till they asnwer :( . At that time people were screaming over OOC channel how to dupe items openly.

That was day 1 after opening. These guys became level 80 and didnt notice what we noticed at level 10? Come on.

Did he say they were using the trader? Did he say they were all 80? Did he say anything in regards to that? You keep talking like they were all duping on the trader and then gave him the exploited money, then he got banned.

You're just making up what you think happened and not reading his post.

Originally posted by Cendharia

Wiccan........are you judge and jury.....that "not any more" response indicates envy and jealousy.. toward the OP and his guild.

 

How do you know if he's guilty or not?    You don't...you are ASSUMING.     Which..if it turns out later he's innocent........is not going to look good on you is it?

Funcom has already stated that some "innocents" were banned along with the guilty.........they were banned first and THEN...the file was being investigated on a case by case basis.

I have already seen this happen in another MMO...which proved a little embarrassing for the game company...ie Turbine.

 

I don't think anyone should be sitting here in this thread ASSUMING that they know what actually happened in this case.

And to the Staff Writer that repeatedly posted about some exploiting in that RAvine....you asked in OOC.....how valid is that?   That is not proof...that is hearsay and gossip being passed on by word of mouth.

How about we let Funcom and the OP decide between themselves if this person is guilty or not.

Usual procedure is innocent until proven guilty...................................

Lets try to keep a lid on our overzealous....pitchforks and the tar and feathers...til the REAL facts surface, otherwise we are no better than the cavemen that crawled out of the caves a few thousand years ago.

Yeesh

Cend

 

Maybe we could know why he was banned first, then discuss the merits of his ban and whether Funcom had good cause and acted fairly. 

But these forum boards are not a court of law.  They are the court of public (forum) opinion.  And it looks like we don't need facts to make up some minds around here.  All some need are assumptions and accusations and we are ready to pass judgement on Funcom and Adam, a guy that worked 96 hours last week and took time on his one day off to come here and make some reasoned comments.  But where is there room for reason when there is no solid ground to base this thread upon.

Originally posted by De_Valos

 

Even if they decide to unban his account this is a service based game. He's losing play time... technically it would be the equivalent of your phone company wrongfully turning of your phone for a few days and trying to get it turned back on.  WIthout the service there should be compensation -- which I doubt he'll receive.

 

I hate that all fairness in business nowadays has happily leapt from the tallest building and lies shattered in pieces on the pavement below.

 

But if we look at this issue from the reverse:  Mind you I am not saying this is the case, in Baseline's situation.

Let's first assume Funcom is a business that relys upon customer subscriptions.  Pretty safe assumption.

Now with this assumption in place, why would Funcom randomly ban a customer without any sort of reason?

Baseline would have you believe he was banned because he is a guild leader and had pooled guild cash, and that Funcom incorrectly banned him because his guild had X amount of gold.  In Baseline's own words he has stated that that was an assumption on his part and not yet verified through official channels with Funcom.

Yet I've clearly stated that could not have been the case because any account that was banned for gold related issues was done so immediately after the maintenance window on the 27th of May.  I've also stated that those effected by the gold related bans were investigated prior to bans being issued, in a rather involved methodology far exceeding the conspiracy theory that anyone with X gold was banned.

Now back to that initial assumption about it being rather odd for a company to ban an account without reason.  With that in mind, one would expect that Funcom would have had sufficient reason to ban an account prior to issuing said ban, vs the conspiracy theory that Funcom is just randomly banning innocent players without any reason.

It simply defys all logic that a company dependent upon customer subscriptions would just randomly ban an account for no reason.  Long and short of the situation, Funcom conducts research before issuing a ban.

 

Adam "De`Valos" Young

Lead Database Administrator

Funcom Inc.

 

*added in the sig. and thanks for the concern as to my state of employment.  And here I thought we were all having an open and mature discussion accepting of all opinions and input.

You know, the sig "Lead Database Administrator Funcom Inc" appears and disappears in his various posts, he always uses the term "Funcom", and never "we", and is incapable of discussion of Funcom policy and procedures regarding banning, remedies, and estimated time frames.

I think this guy is a troll pretending to be a Funcom employee, which is against the rules of MMORPG forums. Hopefully the mods here will ban him for his conduct.

What a tool......

My last point for this thread, The fact that so many innocent people were banned that they were forced to publicly acknowledge the situation is a terrible thing.  It's a shame we even have cases where many innocents were banned and that is why there is so much doubt in Funcom's action in situations like these.  How am I supposed to wholeheartedly believe Funcom is right when they've made mistakes like this before.

I've been posting supporting the people who were banned and that Funcom should tell what they did wrong but we don't know the full story.  Something might have been left out by the people who were banned.  People always tell their part of the story, I have a friend who's always getting spyware on his computer and I keep asking him "what have you been doing" and he says "nothing, I just go on the net, I don't go on any sites that would give me this".  He's leaving something out because its obvious he's doing something wrong but he never wants to admit it.  Maybe the people who were banned did do something that warranted it but they won't admit to it.  Maybe their are innocent people in the middle of it and if the guilty people admited what they did wrong maybe Funcom would let the innocent ones still play.  Maybe the OP is one of the innocents thats in the middle of it and he doesn't understand why, maybe he did do something wrong and he's not admiting to it.  We won't know so maybe we shouldn't pass judgement on Funcom or the OP until we know whats going on.  Maybe they don't know who did what yet so instead of letting someone who's doing something wrong run free and play the game, maybe their just banning them all until the investigation is over with and they find the truth.  Funcom could have just watched some of the accounts they banned before they banned them to see if their was illegal activity going on and if their was then they  ban them, but maybe with so many people involved this is the easier way. 

If someone murders someone and the cops don't know who the killer is in a room full of people do they just let them all go or do they detain them all until they know whats going on?  Of course they hold them all until they can question them all and figure out who the killer is.  This is somewhat the same idea Funcom is doing now.  If the OP and his guild are innocent then hopefully they will be found so and be able to continue playing.