EVE Online

words can't xplain how insane it is for new players to start.  you can read  all the fanboy threads.. but even fan boys will be hard to explain this simple logic.  This is what you are paying 14.99 for:

More experience players can kill you anytime.  If they can't, they can do the following things:

1. war'dec you (granted permission to kill you anywhere) 
2. Sudicide attack, (attacking you at their lost)

you can read all the explainations, justification, and EvE's "love me" threads.. but the bottom line, if someone want to kill you... THERE IS NOT THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.. what does is this mean? imagine you spent 1 mth working for cash to buy a nice shield, sword, armors and spells, but out of nowhere some more high level player just gank on you.  Once you are dead, all items are gone and so is your 1 mth hard labor!!

it is your 14.99... you are more than welcome to throw it away.  EVE older players are looking for more noobs to kill.. please  be a victim!!!

It just means that CCP doesnt hold your hand , like wow ect.. so when you do get in your nice battleship you make sure to take care , and for your information it costs a corp 200mil ISK a week to war-dec u , so it isnt cheap if they want to waste money its up to them , ive been playing since 2003 and ive been pod killed and blown to bits by players that have only been playing a few weeks.

You are also mistaken in the following regards:

1) NPC corps cannot be wardecked. If you are in an NPC corp, you are always inside CONCORD protection. This does not protect you from getting killed if you join a warring gang or give kill-rights to someone by stealing from their cans etc.

2) Suicide attacks can be endured by following the EVE age-old mantra: Never fly what you can't afford to lose. Remember that ships can be insured, but cargo and fittings can't. Don't put 100Mil worth of stuff inside an untanked hauler, ever.

And yes, CCP doesn't hold your hand, and EVE is a harsh world where dying means you lose what you had on you at that time. It's never claimed to be different, and most 'fanboi' threads say this up front, exhort the virtues of this system, and point out (rightly) that staying alive is up to the player, not the game mechanics.

As for noobs to kill? Most veterans are looking for more people to kill, noob status notwithstanding. You're only a victim as long as you don't decide to do something about it yourself.

The OP is pretty factual other than you can't wardec a NPC faction. There is actually a thread on the main forums where I believe a player was complaining that whenever they wardec someone the members simply jump to another player made corp.

My greatest fault with Eve is not the game but the mentality of the players. It's a self-centered community, there are individuals who are truly generous but they are rare. When I say this, it's not in any monetary way but in the manner of one family helping another. If the game has faults, it falls back on the community because we made it the way it is. This is good too, maybe in the future when a new player joins the game instead of being preyed upon both financially and psychologically they are nurtured and given a sense of happiness, that hey, Eve is a great place to spend your free time.

It is funny to read fans of EVE defending their position...   I swear EVE players don't look in the mirror before typing a reply... so, if i were to summary their talking points on EVE:

It is the new players fault for being a noob and stupid.  Deal with it.   You are going to die, there is nothing you can do about it.

Am I right?  Seriously, if you analys their replies, you will see that you are no longer playing your game.  You have to do XYZ in order for you to be safe. WHY DOES NEW PLAYER HAVE  TO DO XYZ in order to be safe? So far we got a few replies and all of them have the same underlining theme.   Question to anyone that wants to waste 14.99...  Go read their forum on "War'Dec" and noobs killing.. You will get the same theme message.  

Hey, it is your money....

Yay trolls!  Meh, i'll bite.

Yep.  The OP is absolutely right.  If someone wants to attack you at any time in any place, they can -- and will.  You are going to get killed/lose your ship, there is nothing you can do about it. 

You can also read in the these "Eve fanboi" threads about all of this.  The OP is not actually bringing any new information to the table.  He isn't trying to help anyone.  He is merely posting a flamatory post in order to generate a flamatory response from those that like Eve so he can feel like he's actaully a good forum troll.  He will succeed as there are many Eve fanboi's on this forum that will jump all over him.  Rightly so imo, we defend what we like and we attack what we don't -- or in the OP's case -- we attack what we don't understand.

Dear OP - I wish you the best of luck in your future trolling endeavors.  I hope that all potential Eve players read this thread because your pointing out that it is a Free For All Player Versus Player game is spot on and something that everyone needs to know.  Course, there are plenty of things in the game that keep players from attacking you at anytime - anywhere but the OP doesn't bother mentioning those at all...   Hence why he is trolling.

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[edit]YAY post #420!  imma go smoke a bowl, w00t! 

Originally posted by Hi-Five

It is the new players fault for being a noob and stupid.  Deal with it.   You are going to die, there is nothing you can do about it.

Yes, you are right, it is a new players fault for being a noob and stupid.  Before I even set out to play EVE I downloaded and read 1/2 dozen game guides, which all made it pretty clear what sort of shenanigans I should steer clear of.

That said, in the past year since I joined I've lost 100M Isk in goods to a suicide camper, lost 3 or 4 BS's ships while ratting in 0.0, ( I tend to doze off in the recliner) lost a 200M isk Drake due to a Privateer Wardec, helped escort a frieghter in 0.0 that got nailed, under the same wardec, and lost at least 1/2 dozen ships trying to run low sec blockades from lowsec to 0.0.

And in every case, in every loss, it was possible for me to avoid it, had I been a bit smarter, faster, cautious or in some cases, just gotten a bit luckier.  But almost all were avoidable had I chosen the correct course of action. 

But you see, its not always possible to avoid danger in EVE, and yes, sometimes you will screw up, or the gods will be against you, and you are going to die.  To play is to accept that, to allow for it and to make sure you never, ever fly anything you can't afford to lose. (but of course, half the fun is breaking that rule)

And yet, despite all of that, I've managed to thrive and prosper in the EVE universe.  I've gotten in  on my share of kills during 0.0 fleet actions and gate camps, have over 2B Isk in my coffers, a personal fleet of 6 ships atm, (have had as many as 15)  and between my 2 characters can fly every sort of Tech 1 & 2 combat ship up to Battleships. (excluding interdictors)

As I move into my second year I'm taking a short break from 0.0 and reassessing my goals.  Should I train Capitol Ship skills, take a foray in the pirate world, become a mercenary, or horror of horrors, take up mining?  So many choices, and all under my own control an direction.

Yes, EVE is a challenge, and takes some thinking to survive. And acceptance that sometimes, you just won't survive, and thats OK.  Yes, there are some bad people in the universe who will prey on noobs, or those who can't fight back.  That's ok, thats what the game is all about.  You can chose to be one of them, to oppose them or avoid them, all are possible in EVE.

OP is just not up to the challlenge, but maybe some others who read this thread are.