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Briansho
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Joined: 3/05/06
Functionless Art is Simply Tolerated Vandalism...We Are The Vandals. |
5/29/08 12:12:22 PM#61
Originally posted by HawkwoodEU Don't get me wrong I admire many of the players who have been there for years. I'm just saying this. As a new player looking in and seeing the economy, slow skill gain, random loot, L items it seems like newer players are at an immensely greater disadvantage. The company looks like its doing everything in its power to hinder player progress and encourage them to deposit more and more money. It would be nice to accomplish something like the older players with the same advantage as they had. Other games you can experience the same gameplay as others who have been playing for years. Games like WoW that has made leveling even faster(don't know if thats a good thing though) or EvE where player skills are auto-trained. Other games don't take too long to catch up to experienced players and skills and items are not long since forgotten and are attainable with reasonable gameplay if you want them. Everyone has a fair chance. Many times the game companies make changes that actually help the players enjoy the game more. Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL! |
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Nytewolf2k7
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Joined: 7/05/07
"He who fights monsters best be careful lest he also become a monster" - Anonymous |
5/29/08 12:20:49 PM#62
Originally posted by HawkwoodEUYeah... Withdrawals take a while to complete, the cash card is out of commission... Entropia is not the same kind of fun as other games, also it does not have the same BANG for your BUCK as other games... One day I hope EU would get a complete restructure, but it would never happen
Sick of playing Entropia Universe? Want to quit, but don't want your hard earned money to vanish? Give your items to ME :-) |
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5/29/08 12:28:07 PM#63
Originally posted by DracusAbout younger avatars I know and who are better equipped or skilled than me. Or as good as me, yet they played much shorter. They are not avatars of one person and I can assure you of this. As I stated above, I was not depositing since the beginning. I played over one year without deposits at all. Later deposited and now I do not deposit again. (still, I'm free to do not to deposit, noone will punish me for this, bear it in your mind please) I had few months of break ingame after first year of playning, when I could not play. Means I lost few months of raising my skills and upgrading my gear. No, they are no avatars made by the same person. There is no point of creating several avatars in EU. You can't sell them. Yes, you can sell skills, equipment, but not your avatar. Skilling with several avatars will lead you to nowhere too, because if you would like to transfer skills from one avatar to another you would loose some of these skills. Skilling needs time, so there is no point of sharing your time between many avatars. You will not get more skills this way. You just have to focus on one ava and preferably one type of skills at a time. Buying skills on the market from other avas is just cheaper than having another avatar for skilling. There are also people in EU who regularly sell their skills and play for the money they get this way. Why some avas could be more succesfull than me? For example they did something better than I or wiser. There is no official guide telling you: "if you go and shoot X ammount of X creatures at X hours, you will get 1k ped". You need to learn yourself what you should do and adapt to circumstances. Maybe I wasn't adapting fast enough. Yes, they could have deposited more than me, so having more money to cycle they received higher reward. Some of them might have used exploits ingame. Some could have used bots for skilling (yes, like in every online game there are players in EU who do not play fair) and noone caught them doing so. Some of them could trade more than I (which is not difficult, as I do not trade at all) and make some profit from this, which allowed them to get better gear. Some of them were probably just lucky.
Don't really understand what do you mean by saying F2P Sales Speech Package #8? I'm just telling you the truth. Yes, there are uber items that are far beyond the reach of not only average player, but even quite wealthy and seasoned one. But, at the same time MA introduses new items, which minimize or remove the gap. At the moment you can have a gun as good or close to be as good as gun for 150k peds and use it effectively. Yes, there is a catch that you won't be able to repair it, but you can always buy the next one. Not paying 150k peds for it, belive me. Someone complained about limited items introduced ingame. And I'm an oldfashioned player, preferred unlimited ones. But still I can see how usefull Limited items can be for average player. Not for the one who plays since 2003, but for someone who plays even few months... |
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Nytewolf2k7
Novice Member
Joined: 7/05/07
"He who fights monsters best be careful lest he also become a monster" - Anonymous |
5/29/08 12:31:40 PM#64
Link to the EU Forum on mmorpg.com: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/category/218 Sick of playing Entropia Universe? Want to quit, but don't want your hard earned money to vanish? Give your items to ME :-) |
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5/29/08 2:08:23 PM#65
Originally posted by Ozmodan It's true that far the majority of people spend more money than they get back, but that's the same for all MMOs. You should play EU for the fun imo.
You obviously don't like EU. Most people who hate EU as much as you, came to EU thinking they could win some easy money, and get very disappointed. That's ofc not the right reason to start playing EU, and it's really kinda stupid if you think about it. Only your own stupidity to blame if that's why you hate it. Kinda lame too, to spread lies about it being a scam. I'll just go back to 'my game' and have some fun. bb /Vedder
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5/29/08 5:57:30 PM#66
Originally posted by EluccaBecause it is a scam lol. It proports itself as a MMO when it is basically a casino where new players are exploited, the odds are heavily stacked against them. Sure you can play this game for 10 Euros a month, but you can also easily spend that in one nights hunting, so what do you do the other 29 days? There is not that much to do in this game, especially for the new players. |
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5/29/08 9:28:11 PM#67
I completely disagree that Entropia Universe is "gambling" or a "casino". Casinos have SET RULES that NEVER CHANGE so the gambler plays against the odds and nothing else. Entropia does not have set rules and the developers are able to change the odds at their whim, it's like going to a casino that has loaded dice or marked cards. The end result is that EU is a scam/money pit and only those that have put in tremendous amounts of money ever reap any reward. EU is only for people with very LARGE disposable incomes that can throw away thousands of dollars on entertainment. If throwing away thousands of dollars is something you are financially comfortable with then EU could be entertaining, but I have to ask myself why anyone, that isn't a wealthy shut-in, would want to spend thousands of dollar on a "virtual world" that isn't graphically good looking and offers very little in the way of "game play" ?
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5/29/08 11:57:07 PM#68
Originally posted by EU_Vedder This is hands down one of the most absurd posts I've ever seen on this forum. All MMOs? Ahem, B.S., sir. EU is the only MMO I've ver heard of which absolutely forces me to invest RL cash just so I can subsist ingame and play casually. When I pay $15.00 a month for a sub fee I know that no matter how broke my character is at least I can have fun. In EU? Absolutely not. I can sit around sweating animals for about 50 PED an hour or I can throw away a few RL dollars on PED so I can buy something as simple as ammunition for hunting or bombs for mining but no matter how lucky you are the average player, or not even average, more like nearly every new player, is going to lose, lose, lose, lose, and lose that cash. Without a "big score" you can't support yourself. That's why this is game is nothing but a pyramid scam online casino. It's an absolute racket and I hope it goes under. Not to mention MindArk has done it's utmost to not fix bugs and change the loot rules every five seconds to keep screwing over all of the new marks they keep scamming out of RL money. This game is trash anyways. FFS, you can't even smoothly walk in this game (your toon rubberbands like a mofo every single time you move irregardless of lag). This game is pathetic, the people who play it are pathetic, and most of all MindArk is pathetic. |
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5/30/08 2:01:44 AM#69
Here's a pro-tip to the EU defenders: deposits into a game are not investments. Investment schemes have their risks on front explained, their average expected rate of return, their legal liabilities (for you and them (those seeking your investment) to you), and other such properties. Depositing a few bucks into EU is no different than having a credit account with a casino. You can win big one day and cash out, and you can lose big another where you're down to zero and the house won't forward you anymore to your account. This difference is what irks people with regard to EU, especially MA's line that one can win big. But they never produce the actual percentages of break-even. Even my state lottery tickets have a percentage that I can find out, either on the ticket or from the lottery office. I can even ask a random casino what will be my percentages of break-even at a given game (especially slots). MA with EU does not provide this data, and thus make their dealings very shady, regardless of if you believe in governmental regulation or not (I don't, I'm a market anarchist...). I don't deal with gambling institutions that don't tell me their percentages, not because I'm trying to win big, but because I want all the information on the table as to know that they're not cheating by changing the games (especially slots) odds in the house favor beyond what is alloted by design. -- Brede |
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5/30/08 3:57:07 AM#70
Most people who complain about Entropia seem to have done no research what so ever. Of course an online game will not make you rich if you don't understand it. This quote is taken from the company behind Entropia, Mindark's, homepage: "The normal service fee for an active user lies between 0.5 and 1.5 USD per hour." If you play PvE the system is designed to COST you on average $1 per hour. They are OPEN about it. If you haven't taken the time to find it out, your loss. But pleeeeease don't come crying afterwards. The beautiful thing about Entropia is that it is a MARKET where people with litte time but with lots of money can compete on equal terms with those with much time and no money. The people who has become rich in Entropia ENGAGE on this market and trade and deal with OTHER PLAYERS. If you ONLY play PvE against the "system" you will lose a buck an hour. That is why you almost never should sell thing back to Mindark, instead you should try to sell stuff at a markup. Like a free economy. People screaming about scams are just ignorant to the facts presented. Players get their real life money when they withdraw from Entropia. There are many, many examples of this. If Entropia was a complete scam like some of you suggest, WHY THE HELL do this still exist as a popular online game after release over five years ago? They make money and have pleased customers. If you want to have more in-depth figures and financials it is all publicly available on the Mindark webpage: www.mindark.com |
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5/30/08 4:38:43 AM#71
Originally posted by Lagavulin And exactly how many current and active users does this "popular" game have? And not how many accounts, but active current users. |
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5/30/08 4:43:05 AM#72
Some play for fun, some play for the lure of fat cash.
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Nytewolf2k7
Novice Member
Joined: 7/05/07
"He who fights monsters best be careful lest he also become a monster" - Anonymous |
5/30/08 4:47:05 AM#73
Originally posted by Zorvan Do you seriously think MindArk would seriously release that sort of information anymore? They stopped in August 2005. Sick of playing Entropia Universe? Want to quit, but don't want your hard earned money to vanish? Give your items to ME :-) |
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5/30/08 4:54:16 AM#74
Originally posted by zaxtor99 Man you got some serious issues, don't you? I made clean 2000$ on this game by hard work, out of an initial investment of 300$. But I'm aware its a money pit for most players. And that's it, no hidden agendas, no hidden intentions. In fact, I strongly suggest all who have gambling problems to stay out of EU as I have seen people blow away 1000s of peds in one day on a bad luck streak. End of story. But you should start working on your social skills as they suck big time. Saying to me that I'm talking bullshit just becouse you lost money in EU is BULLSHIT itself. Get a chill-pill and stick with WOW. No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please. |
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5/30/08 5:04:03 AM#75
Originally posted by Zorvan Oh EU is not "popular" when compared to WOW or AoC. Even EVE surpases number of active players. But I know you can see 100 people in neas or sweat camp at any time of the day, mostly noobs. I also am a member of the soc with 15 people who are active daily. I would say some 4000-5000 people are very active players and another 5000 is semi-active. If I was to go trough all the high-activity areas like Twin, PA, Nea and sweatcamp, and then check up on all the high activity hunting areas like argo lands above Twin and CP, and then check CND for active miners and hunters I would think I could count 1000-1500 people who are there for all to see. But I could be wrong as MA never realeases official numbers (or any other usefull information at all, they are very secretive) and EU world is big (for 5000 people that is). No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please. |
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5/30/08 7:15:30 AM#76
Hi Skam, Vedder, Nytewolf, Sarah, Kaiser, etc And hi to everyone who's been here for ages as well
Yes, my first post here too and for the same reason. And, as an EU player of over two years now, I have to say that almost every post in this thread *can* be true. While I have some issues with MindArk (the developers), overall I have to say that I enjoy playing, I enjoy the friends that I have met through playing and I enjoy the time I spend there.
The option to deposit RL money has advantages and disadvantages - if you lose the amount you deposit for the month in the first week then yes, you're broke for the rest of the month. But if you want to take a break for a month or two, you don't have to pay for that month just to keep your hard-won account. You can choose whether or not to deposit and how much. You can tailor your expenses to suit your pocket. You have that choice. I'm on a low budget, I can't afford to deposit large amounts so I stick with what I can afford and play at that level.
MindArk is a business, not a charity. They have to pay their electricity bill, staff wages, etc. They have to make a profit or they go under and they chose to go with the micropayments option rather than monthly fee one. That's just the way it is - some people will prefer it, others won't.
'Sweating' the mobs (gathering a resource called 'Vibrant Sweat') is boring but free. Let's face it - if it was fun, no-one would move on from that. And of course you will get attacked by the mobs while doing it, and your avatar will die. Often. Big deal. Revival is free, you don't lose experience, items or anything else except health - which regenerates with time - and you gain skills which are very useful later on when you start hunting. These skills can also be 'chipped out' and sold so you can make money from putting in $0.00 in RL terms. It also gives you a chance to try the game for free (without a time limit) and decide whether you like it and want to continue playing. Do any other MMOs offer that? And while we're on the subject, wearing armour to sweat the mobs is pointless. Of course it will decay when you get hit by the mobs - that's what it does - and the decay will eat up the profit you make from sweating. And with no Evade skill you will get hit a lot. So you start by building up your Evade by sweating, then when you start hunting the mobs will hit you less often because you already have some Evade skill!
To anyone wanting to try EU and see what all the fuss is about, I'd recommend the following, in this order:
I look forward to hopefully seeing some new faces ingame Best regards
Molly 'Red' Macguire Captain Pyrates of Calypso
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5/30/08 7:29:57 AM#77
Nothing like making false statements to make this game seem innocuous. If you don't get it by now, they want you to feed the game money, it just means more for them. Anyone who says you can play this game without spending any money is basically lying through their teeth. About the only thing you can do freely is wander around aimlessly. Saying anything positive about this game just marks you are a shill for Mindark, one of the more dispicable developers out there. |
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5/30/08 8:05:07 AM#78
Originally posted by OzmodanPoint 1: Please tell me which statements I have made that are false.
Point 2: You say that feeding the game means I will get more back. I'd like to hear how you reach this conclusion. Do you mean that MA will somehow reward me for posting my experiences on this forum?
Point 3: It's a cheap shot to call someone a liar from behind the safety and anonymity of your internet connection. What I don't see is anything more than your opinion . Care to give me something to support that opinion?
Point 4: To consider that everyone who has something positive to say about EU is simply 'a shill for MA' is naive and simplistic at best. You present as someone who hasn't enjoyed the little time they spent there and who couldn't or wouldn't see that there are positive as well as negative aspects to EU - the same as everything else.
Rather than throwing out blanket assertions about 'everybody' or 'everything', try addressing yourself to the actual issues that concern you. And give some evidence or experience to back up these assertions. If you have any.
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Briansho
Apprentice Member
Joined: 3/05/06
Functionless Art is Simply Tolerated Vandalism...We Are The Vandals. |
5/30/08 9:45:30 AM#79
Originally posted by EU_Vedder People mentioning the game being a scam got me thinking. Is Mindark doing the following?
A confidence trick, confidence game, or con for short (also known as a scam) is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as the mark) usually with the goal of financial or other gain. The confidence trickster, con man, scam artist or con artist often works with an accomplice called the shill, who tries to encourage the mark by pretending to believe the trickster. Sometimes I get the feeling that Neverdie is the shill because he tries to make you believe you will get financial gain while there are long time players have never gained anything. Why wouldn't he explain to players that in order to experience the game to the fullest they might need to deposit, not invest, large amounts of money. Is it misleading for them to say the game and software are free to play, but once you get into the game and discover its mechanics other players have inflated expensive items and they are not attainable unless you deposit large amounts of money? Sure you can have fun and not deposit but if you want to try other professions you are forced to deposit large sums of money. This is misleading and does not seem balanced to me. Everyones perception of fun is different but having to deposit more money to have more fun does not seem like a game to me and Mindark should not call it a game so much. Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL! |
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5/30/08 11:27:08 AM#80
Originally posted by Briansho
MindArk does have problems when it comes to marketing the game, which we can see very clearly in this thread for example. Some people who had the wrong idea about EU when they tried it become very bitter and hostile, and this in turn creates a lot of negative publicity. MA should focus more on showing the gaming aspects of EU instead of how much money you can make. A part of what creates this problem is that the media (naturally) focus on the spectacular aspects of EU, like the fact that there are people making money in it. The article this thread is based on is a good example. They interview Buzz, one of the most well known players in EU, who has spent insane amounts of money and time on the game and is one of very few who can withdraw large sums of money. He is hardly the average EU player. Here's a good interview with MA-Frank. Even though the interviewer is clueless ("can you play against your friends in this game?" No, it's the first single player MMOG... ffs...), I think Frank does a good job. He is hardly scamming or misleading anyone.
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But I guess 'high post wonder' on this forum doesn't really mean your have any credibility. Sad sad, but now that I've stated my opinion, I don't really care anymore.
