Originally posted by neonaka

 

 

I really don't understand the AoC's diehard argument of you only played it a week, so your opinion doesn't hold water.

If a game isn't great, if it is just average, and there are other games out there that do it better, may not look better, but game better, which is what I thought it was named after? Then why doesn't their opinion mean anything. If a game doesn't grab you within 7 days of play..... odds are no amount of levels or questing or whatever in the hell you have to wait months to see is going to change that. I played a week, also un-installed / canceled. The game just doesn't hold up.

 

When you walk into a store do you ask them to direct you to the latest graphics section?

NeoNaka walks into best buy "Hey buddy, where are your graphics at?"

I am pretty sure you walk in and say this.

NeoNaka walks into best buy "Hey buddy, where are your games at?"

I personally do not shop for graphics, I shop for games. You know those things supposed to be created for amusement as a hobby, a way to pass the time.

If I wanna see stunning trees and water or mountain sides, I will take a family trip to yellowstone park.

If I wanna play a GAME with features past the "OOOH AHHHH I'm pretty stare at me!" It won't be AoC.

On to the next hopeful.

On the graphics things, this is a stupid debate and obviously AoC has more to offer than graphics, AND I AM SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT LIKE AOC, but since you wanted to use a real life example, I will too.

Why do people go into stores and purchase new systems to play new RPGs when the consensus believes that the RPGs from NES, SNES, PS1, and N64? The games were better back then but people still purchase RPGs on Xbox360, Playstation 2, and Playstation 3. A lot of people could care less about graphics but at the same time a lot of people do.

The game isn't perfect... but it is one of the better launches I have seen for an MMO.  It is lacking in some areas, but at least they sold enough copies to keep working on it... hopefully with a little work it will be closer to the game we were hoping for.  On it's own merit, disregarding it's hype, it is still pretty decent. 

Wow. This thread truly proves how poorly people read.

Originally posted by beauxaj

 

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by IAmMMO

Originally posted by Arkane_A

How the hell did they ship 700,000 units of the game in total but only 400,000 are playing?

 

http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/05/19/age-of-conan-ships-700000-units/

 

Also out of the 400.000 sold how many are one person buying more than one copy from different outlets in order to get all the pre order items?

it is not 400k sold it is 400 entering the world ie subscribing.  You would buy and enter preroder codes from different companies on different accounts if you intent was to get all the items for one toon.  THeir figures of over 700k sold and 110k CE editions were copies solds not preorders.

You're posting false information.  The press release states 700k SHIPPED to retailers and that the 110k CE preorders had also sold out.  The very article even stated that "Lucky customers may find some copies on retail shelves but no re-orders are available"   All those big numbers are preorder based.  

 

Now the new release of 400k is 400k entering the world which could directly translate to units sold  even though you could argue that the 400k could be as few as 200k units actually sold and 200k buddy keys used (remember CE has 5 buddy keys too)  but for now they don't have a true "subscriber" number since everyone is still in the free starter month.

Actually my numbers were not false.  copies of the games sold to amazon games stop and such are sold copies and count as such.    That is why you have a disparity between 700k ( regualr copise and 400k subscribed.  As the 400k are copies that the retial shops sold to customers.  Second the buddy keys system is not activated as of yet.  They have stated they will not activate that system untill they are satified with how the game is running with the paying customers.

Originally posted by Arkane_A

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by IAmMMO

Originally posted by Arkane_A

How the hell did they ship 700,000 units of the game in total but only 400,000 are playing?

 

http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/05/19/age-of-conan-ships-700000-units/

 

Also out of the 400.000 sold how many are one person buying more than one copy from different outlets in order to get all the pre order items?

it is not 400k sold it is 400 entering the world ie subscribing.  You would buy and enter preroder codes from different companies on different accounts if you intent was to get all the items for one toon.  THeir figures of over 700k sold and 110k CE editions were copies solds not preorders.

This isn't exactly true seeing as nobody is subscribing to the game yet since everyone is still on their 30 free days. On top of this the article states that it is 400,000 people entered the world of Hyboria since it launched. On it being 700k copies sold if you read the article that I linked they stated it was 700k preorders and asked people who preordered to post their thoughts once they played it. Plus, that would make absolutely 0 sense which is what I was trying to figure out, why would 700k copies sell but only 400k people log in?

First, you do subscriber when you activate you keys.  Now you might turn around and cancell said subscription and wait till your 30 days runs out to see if you like it but you have subsribed.  They count copies of the game sold to amazon games stop and such as sold ( they might return some of the copies latter I guess)  that is why there is a disparity between the 700k and the 400k number

I'm supposed to be amazed? The WoW release beats this by hästlängder.

Originally posted by Felle

I'm supposed to be amazed? The WoW release beats this by hästlängder.

actually WoW released with smaller initall numbers but grew fast.  The question is can AOC sustain its subscriptions let alone grow at the pace wow did.  It it just keeps the 400K+ subscriptions it wil be a  success

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by Arkane_A

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by IAmMMO

Originally posted by Arkane_A

How the hell did they ship 700,000 units of the game in total but only 400,000 are playing?

 

http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/05/19/age-of-conan-ships-700000-units/

 

Also out of the 400.000 sold how many are one person buying more than one copy from different outlets in order to get all the pre order items?

it is not 400k sold it is 400 entering the world ie subscribing.  You would buy and enter preroder codes from different companies on different accounts if you intent was to get all the items for one toon.  THeir figures of over 700k sold and 110k CE editions were copies solds not preorders.

This isn't exactly true seeing as nobody is subscribing to the game yet since everyone is still on their 30 free days. On top of this the article states that it is 400,000 people entered the world of Hyboria since it launched. On it being 700k copies sold if you read the article that I linked they stated it was 700k preorders and asked people who preordered to post their thoughts once they played it. Plus, that would make absolutely 0 sense which is what I was trying to figure out, why would 700k copies sell but only 400k people log in?

First, you do subscriber when you activate you keys.  Now you might turn around and cancell said subscription and wait till your 30 days runs out to see if you like it but you have subsribed.  They count copies of the game sold to amazon games stop and such as sold ( they might return some of the copies latter I guess)  that is why there is a disparity between the 700k and the 400k number

From the Age of Conan website :

In total, Funcom is shipping around 700.000 copies of Age of Conan on day one.

The 700k is copies SHIPPED  not sold.   They used preorder numbers and then added to it to reach the number of copies of the game they would put out to retailers.  Usually a safe bet is to double the number of preorders, which is why in their 400k announcement they state:

This amazing figure for a PC game shows that the positive pre-order trend has transferred into actual sales,

Again, the numbers are good, just make sure you are using the RIGHT numbers when hyping AoC. 

http://community.ageofconan.com/wsp/conan/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&template=content&func_id=2489&table=CONTENT

http://funcom.vnewscenter.com/press.jsp?id=1211807610321

Originally posted by beauxaj

 

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by Arkane_A

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by IAmMMO

Originally posted by Arkane_A

How the hell did they ship 700,000 units of the game in total but only 400,000 are playing?

 

http://www.mmocrunch.com/2008/05/19/age-of-conan-ships-700000-units/

 

Also out of the 400.000 sold how many are one person buying more than one copy from different outlets in order to get all the pre order items?

it is not 400k sold it is 400 entering the world ie subscribing.  You would buy and enter preroder codes from different companies on different accounts if you intent was to get all the items for one toon.  THeir figures of over 700k sold and 110k CE editions were copies solds not preorders.

This isn't exactly true seeing as nobody is subscribing to the game yet since everyone is still on their 30 free days. On top of this the article states that it is 400,000 people entered the world of Hyboria since it launched. On it being 700k copies sold if you read the article that I linked they stated it was 700k preorders and asked people who preordered to post their thoughts once they played it. Plus, that would make absolutely 0 sense which is what I was trying to figure out, why would 700k copies sell but only 400k people log in?

First, you do subscriber when you activate you keys.  Now you might turn around and cancell said subscription and wait till your 30 days runs out to see if you like it but you have subsribed.  They count copies of the game sold to amazon games stop and such as sold ( they might return some of the copies latter I guess)  that is why there is a disparity between the 700k and the 400k number

From the Age of Conan website :

 

In total, Funcom is shipping around 700.000 copies of Age of Conan on day one.

The 700k is copies SHIPPED  not sold.   They used preorder numbers and then added to it to reach the number of copies of the game they would put out to retailers.  Usually a safe bet is to double the number of preorders, which is why in their 400k announcement they state:

This amazing figure for a PC game shows that the positive pre-order trend has transferred into actual sales,

Again, the numbers are good, just make sure you are using the RIGHT numbers when hyping AoC. 

 

http://community.ageofconan.com/wsp/conan/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&template=content&func_id=2489&table=CONTENT

 

http://funcom.vnewscenter.com/press.jsp?id=1211807610321

 

 

I am using the right numbers.

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by beauxaj

 

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by Arkane_A

Originally posted by Lanthir

it is not 400k sold it is 400 entering the world ie subscribing.  You would buy and enter preroder codes from different companies on different accounts if you intent was to get all the items for one toon.  THeir figures of over 700k sold and 110k CE editions were copies solds not preorders.

This isn't exactly true seeing as nobody is subscribing to the game yet since everyone is still on their 30 free days. On top of this the article states that it is 400,000 people entered the world of Hyboria since it launched. On it being 700k copies sold if you read the article that I linked they stated it was 700k preorders and asked people who preordered to post their thoughts once they played it. Plus, that would make absolutely 0 sense which is what I was trying to figure out, why would 700k copies sell but only 400k people log in?

First, you do subscriber when you activate you keys.  Now you might turn around and cancell said subscription and wait till your 30 days runs out to see if you like it but you have subsribed.  They count copies of the game sold to amazon games stop and such as sold ( they might return some of the copies latter I guess)  that is why there is a disparity between the 700k and the 400k number

From the Age of Conan website :

 

In total, Funcom is shipping around 700.000 copies of Age of Conan on day one.

The 700k is copies SHIPPED  not sold.   They used preorder numbers and then added to it to reach the number of copies of the game they would put out to retailers.  Usually a safe bet is to double the number of preorders, which is why in their 400k announcement they state:

This amazing figure for a PC game shows that the positive pre-order trend has transferred into actual sales,

Again, the numbers are good, just make sure you are using the RIGHT numbers when hyping AoC. 

 

http://community.ageofconan.com/wsp/conan/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&template=content&func_id=2489&table=CONTENT

 

http://funcom.vnewscenter.com/press.jsp?id=1211807610321

 

 

I am using the right numbers.

Well, this is good news. It doesn't even really matter if the figures aren't exact. It's easy to see that the game has been well accepted and is placing itself in a very good position in the market. Which is good because it's a great game, and it really does deserve it.

Originally posted by beauxaj

 

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by beauxaj

 

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by Arkane_A

Originally posted by Lanthir

it is not 400k sold it is 400 entering the world ie subscribing.  You would buy and enter preroder codes from different companies on different accounts if you intent was to get all the items for one toon.  THeir figures of over 700k sold and 110k CE editions were copies solds not preorders.

This isn't exactly true seeing as nobody is subscribing to the game yet since everyone is still on their 30 free days. On top of this the article states that it is 400,000 people entered the world of Hyboria since it launched. On it being 700k copies sold if you read the article that I linked they stated it was 700k preorders and asked people who preordered to post their thoughts once they played it. Plus, that would make absolutely 0 sense which is what I was trying to figure out, why would 700k copies sell but only 400k people log in?

First, you do subscriber when you activate you keys.  Now you might turn around and cancell said subscription and wait till your 30 days runs out to see if you like it but you have subsribed.  They count copies of the game sold to amazon games stop and such as sold ( they might return some of the copies latter I guess)  that is why there is a disparity between the 700k and the 400k number

From the Age of Conan website :

 

In total, Funcom is shipping around 700.000 copies of Age of Conan on day one.

The 700k is copies SHIPPED  not sold.   They used preorder numbers and then added to it to reach the number of copies of the game they would put out to retailers.  Usually a safe bet is to double the number of preorders, which is why in their 400k announcement they state:

This amazing figure for a PC game shows that the positive pre-order trend has transferred into actual sales,

Again, the numbers are good, just make sure you are using the RIGHT numbers when hyping AoC. 

 

http://community.ageofconan.com/wsp/conan/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&template=content&func_id=2489&table=CONTENT

 

http://funcom.vnewscenter.com/press.jsp?id=1211807610321

 

 

I am using the right numbers.

No, you aren't , For some reason you keep translating 700,000 SHIPPED into 700,000 SOLD.   That is not the case.  There hasn't been any place stating they have SOLD 700,000 copies of  AoC,  they have stated 400,000 people have entered Hyboria. At best you could take that as 400,000 sold at worst 110,000 CE editions sold and 390000 buddy keys since the CE gets 5 (yes there is a rumor about buddy keys not working yet its just an example).   There is no discrepency, these are hard numbers given by FUNCOM and they are damn good numbers to start with, but throwing around incorrect information will just screw things up later.

 

 

 

Ok i will try to explain it again to you.  Funcom will show the 700k copies as sold on their books  as they were sold to the retial companies.  Those companies might have arrangements to return copies they do not sell to their customers back to funcom or they might not.  This is a common business practices not just for this industry but for most companies that use third parties to sell their goods.

The buddy keys are not activated yet. All 400.000 reported are box subscribers.

Originally posted by Arkane_A

 

Originally posted by chrimwinster

 

Originally posted by Battlekruse

IMO, This game is horrible. I tried so hard to like it, yet I failed. Uninstalled it yesterday. If you want guildwars with a paid subscription this is the game to buy. Oh, don't forget you need a massively powerful PC to play it.

Luckily my friend's PC sucked so I got to play his account instead of buying my own :P I don't think it'll hold strong in the coming months. Expect the 400,000 to dwindle due to uncontinued subscriptions.

 

Horrible? How so? It is fun (at least so far) has some originality ( eg shields, mature content) and looks fantastic.

As for Ninja PCs mine is over a year old and was not ninja then and runs 40-60 fps high detail.

The important things is to have a 8800 system and while that is not possible for everyone there are enough lower spec mmos.

Guild wars? Not similar at all bar - both look good: Guild wars is all instances which can get a bil lonely.

atb

Chrim

 

On him calling it horrible, it is the same to as as somebody else saying it is great based off of a week of play. It doesn't hold much weight. As far as computers go a computer that is one year old isn't exactly dated but somebody who bought their PC two to three years ago that can run any other mmo on max settings completely capped out would get around 8-14 fps in AoC thus needing to spend another 800 bucks or so to get a new computer to play the game unless they build it themselves, which most casual players do not. His GW reference comes from the fact that both games are heavily instanced. You can not ignore the loading screens every 15 minutes or so in Tortage, and that would be around 30-45 minutes out of Tortage I run around to load screens.

 

To say they are not similar at all is a case of over and understating obvious things.

It can be annoying for some but I do not think EVERY new MMO must cater for older PCs - sorry. I have been playing MMOs for over ten years and good non cartoony graphics do mean a lot to me - just a persaonal thing of course .

As for instances in both AoC and Guild wars, Tortage is just a starting/familiarisation area and my loads are only seconds (though still too many of them). I do agree that it is an unnecessarily detailed area causing many people problems with a drain on hardware and something akin to EQ2 starting island would have been better.

ATB

Chrim

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by beauxaj

 

No, you aren't , For some reason you keep translating 700,000 SHIPPED into 700,000 SOLD.   That is not the case.  There hasn't been any place stating they have SOLD 700,000 copies of  AoC,  they have stated 400,000 people have entered Hyboria. At best you could take that as 400,000 sold at worst 110,000 CE editions sold and 390000 buddy keys since the CE gets 5 (yes there is a rumor about buddy keys not working yet its just an example).   There is no discrepency, these are hard numbers given by FUNCOM and they are damn good numbers to start with, but throwing around incorrect information will just screw things up later.

 

 

 

Ok i will try to explain it again to you.  Funcom will show the 700k copies as sold on their books  as they were sold to the retial companies.  Those companies might have arrangements to return copies they do not sell to their customers back to funcom or they might not.  This is a common business practices not just for this industry but for most companies that use third parties to sell their goods.

YES when most items are shipped ANYWHERE to ANYONE the originator marks them as sold.  that is nowhere near the same as those items being ACTUALLY SOLD don't try to blow smoke up anyones a$$ with that bs.  When a book is sent to a bookstore, its considered "sold" but you can be damn sure the author doesn't get royalties until a warm body buys it.  Its the whole reason Funcom only says SHIPPED, as a matter of fact,  you're the only person saying they sold 700,000 copies.

i want to play AOC how much will I pay to play this game Im from RP...

Originally posted by beauxaj

 

Originally posted by Lanthir

Originally posted by beauxaj

 

No, you aren't , For some reason you keep translating 700,000 SHIPPED into 700,000 SOLD.   That is not the case.  There hasn't been any place stating they have SOLD 700,000 copies of  AoC,  they have stated 400,000 people have entered Hyboria. At best you could take that as 400,000 sold at worst 110,000 CE editions sold and 390000 buddy keys since the CE gets 5 (yes there is a rumor about buddy keys not working yet its just an example).   There is no discrepency, these are hard numbers given by FUNCOM and they are damn good numbers to start with, but throwing around incorrect information will just screw things up later.

 

 

 

Ok i will try to explain it again to you.  Funcom will show the 700k copies as sold on their books  as they were sold to the retial companies.  Those companies might have arrangements to return copies they do not sell to their customers back to funcom or they might not.  This is a common business practices not just for this industry but for most companies that use third parties to sell their goods.

ROFLMAO you are actually trying to use a standard business practice to cover up your inept statement?!?!?

 

YES when most items are shipped ANYWHERE to ANYONE the originator marks them as sold.  that is nowhere near the same as those items being ACTUALLY SOLD don't try to blow smoke up anyones a$$ with that bs.  When a book is sent to a bookstore, its considered "sold" but you can be damn sure the author doesn't get royalties until a warm body buys it.  Its the whole reason Funcom only says SHIPPED, as a matter of fact,  you're the only person saying they sold 700,000 copies.

 

I am happy that you agree that they are infact listed as sold,  I am  sorry you have problems dealing with that fact.  Actually ,sold is actually sold even if you do not want to admit it.  Oh by the way yes an author gets royalties when his or her book is sold ot a bookstore.  Oh i am not the one with issues.  People such as yourself  were the ones whinning that funcom was lying  when they said they shipped 700k copies and then announced 400k+ subscribers. As someone else had first staarted screaming about these numbers  I was pointing out how that could be.  Sorry if the facts do not fit with your outlook on AOC.

By the way Thank you for adimitting that I am correct that standard buisness practices would  have Funcom showing the 700k sold.  Most people would not admit they were wrong as you have done.  So gratz on admitting that.

Originally posted by Anzie

How are they gonna claim the "fastest selling" pc game? The Burning Crusade sold like more than 1.2mill in 24hours. Also "20 reviews" I only know a review for this game and was made by some norwegian site.

"One of the fastest" not "The fastest" you did not read it correctly.

Originally posted by denshing

Originally posted by Anzie

How are they gonna claim the "fastest selling" pc game? The Burning Crusade sold like more than 1.2mill in 24hours. Also "20 reviews" I only know a review for this game and was made by some norwegian site.

"One of the fastest" not "The fastest" you did not read it correctly.

add to that the fact burning crusade was an expansion of  a game not the orginal game.