Originally posted by Battlekruse

Originally posted by dirtknap69

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So this is AoC's idea of PVP? Threats of bans from a GM (with bad grammar) for killing players?

 

hmm...

 

 

This is very interesting, thank you for sharing this.

Ultima Online for example, considered griefing also to include if you opened a gate/portal and told someone it was to another town, they enter, find out it's to a demon room and die, then they'd complain, a gm would show up and grill you for griefing other players, and mark your account.

Corpse Camping is considered griefing in most pve/pvp mix games, even in open pvp areas on pvp servers, corpse camping is enough to make someone quit, and anything that directly will lead someone down the path of considering quitting, is enough to get a GM involved.

It's standard rules, if it makes someone cry, be sure a GM will come knocking. Nothing new here.

Hah, this turned me onto the game actually. It shows that zoning out to another instance to escape players ganking you is harder then contacting a GM.

Originally posted by BaldyMike

 

Originally posted by Ascension08

If that's true, that's pathetic. I'm sorry. Players are more than capable of defending themselves, and if they're not, they're more than capable of going to a PvE server. As ALL the PvPers have said OVER AND OVER. Funcom being your mommy? No thanks.

I just can't believe you spawn campers!!!

 

What do you get from it? The pleasure of ganking someone that is still suffering rez sickness? What skill is in that??

You try to justify you existance by saying it's a PVP server...if they dont like it go to a PvE server. Aye...it is a PvP server but that doesnt justify ganking...actually I pitty people like gankers that have nothing better to do than to grief people. ..it's sad really O.o

I used to admin a BF1942/DC/FH server. We had full FFA with Friendly fire turned off (you could kill your own mates). We used to have people like this come onto the and spawn camp, team kill and just grief in general. They would recieve 1 warning, if they continued they were banned.

NO, In case you're wondering...we always had a full server and our clan competed in the Forgoten Hope challenges.

There is a difference between the realism of FFA PvP and someone that just ganks because they can.

The funny thing is I agree with you. It's pathetic. But I also occasionally enjoy the feeling of just killing someone so fast they don't know what hit them. Though I'd rather team with 5 others and then just steamroll someone  But I also believe that if they pay for the game, they should enjoy PvP how they want to. And one must wonder, if all the fodder leaves, then only the spawn campers will be left. What will they do? Camp each other? Let them have fun. As I said before, Funcom either needs to put in some rules or let the players handle it themselves. NOT mommy the victims.

PVP is an experience and it should remain fun. There's a difference from fighting and beating your opponent a few times and griefing him just for the fun of it. You don't want to ruin the fun of someone else but at the same time, you don't want to show any mercy.

Originally posted by Funkwich

 

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by Funkwich

Everyone who is whining about spawncamping and how wrong the campers actions are is a pansy. What is the big deal about people spawn camping someone? Oh it is so rude and mean and blah blah blah. Who cares? If you're playing on a PvP server, expect to get ganked and killed often. The easiest way to deal with it is either kill them or stop letting them kill you whether that means going to a different area or just stepping away from your pc for a while. I know, god forbid you step away from the game. If you can't handle getting killed by other people then A PVP SERVER IS OBVIOUSLY NOT FOR YOU.

 

ROFL. So you is calling killing defenseless players PvP??  Welcome to Darkfall when it releases and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.

 

 

LMAO. So you is calling people being able to be killed by other people something besides PvP?? I never said killing defenseless wieners was equivalent to a duel or some sort of honorable fight. I said that it is something you should expect from a PvP server. PLAYERS KILLING PLAYERS. This isn't battlegrounds on a PvE server where all pvp is friendly and straightforward. It's buttraping newbs and defenseless wieners because they dared to venture onto your PvP server. Welcome to Felucca when UO released and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.

Why dont you log into Defiance freeshard, UOR, and meet me ingame. Played UO since -97 and youre no PvPer, youre a lame wannabe. Reskilling isnt PvP, its griefing.

(a couple of points)

1. Question then... so in AoC, you can sit next to a rez spot and kill somebody as soon as the rez? Most games will have some long timer where you are invulnerable and can run away, or maybe rez you in an area where you can't be hit, or maybe rez in a town with guards or something....

If rez-killing is even possible, then it's a game-design flaw.

2. Why is griefing always considered an act that destroys fun and is done only by kids? I'm 40+, and enjoy killing other players to the point they get mad and angry about it. That's the point. And on the flip side, I enjoyed getting beat up on, and having some kind of obstacle (some evil human players in the area) that made the game somewhat challenging. I mean, these games are all so retarded and easy to begin with, what's wrong with people enjoying a little more challenge? I love the challenge of having PKers around, and will of course do my part to make other players have a harder time doing whatever they are wanting to do... just doing my part.

When did the collection of texturized polygons become a bigger deal than destroying your enemies and making allies in the process?

Originally posted by dirtknap69

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So this is AoC's idea of PVP? Threats of bans from a GM (with bad grammar) for killing players?

 

hmm...

 

 

I find them mostly people who don't get accepted in PVP groups later on or can't cut it vs similar levels. Breaks my heart.

Hope to see you in the griefer's prison asap =).

Originally posted by vmoped

 

Originally posted by Funkwich

 

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by Funkwich

Everyone who is whining about spawncamping and how wrong the campers actions are is a pansy. What is the big deal about people spawn camping someone? Oh it is so rude and mean and blah blah blah. Who cares? If you're playing on a PvP server, expect to get ganked and killed often. The easiest way to deal with it is either kill them or stop letting them kill you whether that means going to a different area or just stepping away from your pc for a while. I know, god forbid you step away from the game. If you can't handle getting killed by other people then A PVP SERVER IS OBVIOUSLY NOT FOR YOU.

 

ROFL. So you is calling killing defenseless players PvP??  Welcome to Darkfall when it releases and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.

 

 

LMAO. So you is calling people being able to be killed by other people something besides PvP?? I never said killing defenseless wieners was equivalent to a duel or some sort of honorable fight. I said that it is something you should expect from a PvP server. PLAYERS KILLING PLAYERS. This isn't battlegrounds on a PvE server where all pvp is friendly and straightforward. It's buttraping newbs and defenseless wieners because they dared to venture onto your PvP server. Welcome to Felucca when UO released and please give me your ingame name so i can teach you something about PvP, lamer.

Sounds like someone had a rough childhood. You know I have a defenseless puppy in my backyard atm. I can put a PvP sign up if you want to stop her head in! I agree that people should expect trouble on PvP servers, but zone-in and spawn camping is just lame. That is like, well, going in my backyard and stomping on a defenseless puppy.

 

Cheers!

sweet analogy. I, personally, live in an area that is strictly PvM so I couldnt stomp my puppy even if I wanted to. I never said that it isn't lame. I said it was a hazard of playing on a pvp server so people should quit their BAWWing about it.

SPAWN CAMPING IS DONE ON PVP SERVERS. if you dont want it to happen dont play on one. WoW is the ebst selling MMO of all time, millions of subscribers. And you know what, there is no timer on killing. And everyone gets slaughtered on pvp servers. lvl 70's kill lvl 1+ anytime they get a chance to. Thats a pvper server. Go play on the wimp pve server if you dont like it. Thats all there is to it. You guys cry and cry and cry over something that was designed that way. A pvp server is designed for people to kill each other whenever they want as much as they want. You die, they camp you. If you have the nerve to rez again you deserve to die again. Thats how a pvp server roles. Gtfo if you dont like it.

Originally posted by Funkwich

 

 

sweet analogy. I, personally, live in an area that is strictly PvM so I couldnt stomp my puppy even if I wanted to. I never said that it isn't lame. I said it was a hazard of playing on a pvp server so people should quit their BAWWing about it.

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I don't like when players camp others over and over, but this is something Funcom could address very easy.

In World of Warcraft, before you select the server you are going to play in, there is a description of what a PvP server is about. WoW has been in the market for years and players understand from the beginning that playing on a PvP server has its drawbacks.  And if they didn't read, they will learn sooner or later.

This is ridiculous

It takes a game a while for the players to come to a silent understanding for the most part. Spawn camping will always continue but at a much lower rate. As the game matures into it's full self, whether with fixes, added content, etc. I think so does the player-base. Things start to become common sense, other things get slammed by everybody. A world has a way of working itself out.

Originally posted by bachanam

It takes a game a while for the players to come to a silent understanding for the most part. Spawn camping will always continue but at a much lower rate. As the game matures into it's full self, whether with fixes, added content, etc. I think so does the player-base. Things start to become common sense, other things get slammed by everybody. A world has a way of working itself out.

Translation: If AoC ever gives the players something better to do with their time, camping wont be such a problem.

That's pretty lame that a GM had to come threaten you... even though what you are doing is annoying.. if it's possible and a problem.. then I blame the game design. *shrug* There is no reason a GM should have to come ask someone to stop doing something. Either ban (silly in this case) or fix it on the game end.

Ganking players is lame but it's not the gankers fault for playing FFA PVP the way it's designed. It's the developers fault for not having the common sense to create mechanics to prevent respawn ganking, like a safe timer so the player who is respawning has a reasonable time limit to recoup, regroup, or flee from the PVP area.

Also any developer that allows FFA PVP without level/skill limits to prevent higher level or more powerful skilled players to gank lowbies who are too weak to defend themselves, is stupid and asking for a failed PVP system.

Originally posted by RedwoodSap

Ganking players is lame but it's not the gankers fault for playing FFA PVP the way it's designed. It's the developers fault for not having the common sense to create mechanics to prevent respawn ganking, like a safe timer so the player who is respawning has a reasonable time limit to recoup, regroup, or flee from the PVP area.

Also any developer that allows FFA PVP without level/skill limits to prevent higher level or more powerful skilled players to gank lowbies who are too weak to defend themselves, is stupid and asking for a failed PVP system.

WoW.

Originally posted by Draccan

 

jessesss

this game is SO not a pvp game

 

if those screenies tell the truth it really is the final drop..

AoC is wowified on all levels now... and hey cant that whiner just change instance... DOH  

PvP is a blast.  Yes there are cry babies, but that says something more about the players than it does the game.  75% of all people on the PvP servers should really be on PvE servers.  But the game is still very new.

Originally posted by Battlekruse

Originally posted by dirtknap69

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9085/gmszq7.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2425/gms1xv7.jpg

So this is AoC's idea of PVP? Threats of bans from a GM (with bad grammar) for killing players?

This is very interesting, thank you for sharing this.

you are welcome, good sir.

lol amazing, wow has more hardcore pvp then AoC, now isn't that amusing.

If they allow ganking, it should come naturally some sort of punishment system as well...why not?  PvP doesn't mean that you can kill without any consequence, it just means you can kill another player.  Adding any sort of consequence mechanic will change PvP for the better.  Sure the kiddies will cry that they have to engage in fair fights, but why not.  Why not strip away any earned honor when doing an unhonorable killing, its merely a consequence but in no way a hinderance to PvP.