List the different facets of AoC and I will tell you where you can find it done well. (i.e. Combat/Graphics/PvP)

(excluding fatalities, nudity, and anything else they tossed into the AoC to attract that "certain" playerbase)

Originally posted by solareus

Truthfully, alot of games. The biggest thing missing from this game (AoC) is the connectivity towards community, the instancing pulls everyone apart at each zone , and it will plague any type of role playing as your trying to keep emmersed in the loading screen .

Think a lot fo folk who actual pvpers of the hardcore nature are looking forward to Darkfalls pvp , which will be by land and sea battles as well as sea to land and vice versa. The city building and seiging is also in darkfall will be a lot more parrelell to Shadowbane, and we will see a lot of SB guilds moving to DF. Granted, DF will not be for everyone and it will absolutely be a niche game for the people who are salivating for full loot pvp.

AoC just missed the boat interms of "massive" the world doesn't seem massive at all , it is linear and has a platform game feel that is truly not exceptable in this market of pc gaming. The computers and technology are ready for a full world exp without having to load  into an instance.

AoC would of been ground breaking title if the would of tried that much harder to create an actual game world instead of just tieing bits and pieces together through instancing. Think you will see fair scores ranging from 70-89% and I will be shocked to see anything above 90% for this game.

 

Do you order steak and then complain it doesn't taste like chicken?

Originally posted by terrant

AoC has one major problem right now. Too many people are judging it on the Tortage content. Essentially, 1/4th the levels in the game are one big, huge, mostly single-player tutorial. Now, it DOES build a sense of story and give the player time to get the hang of the nuances of the fairly complex combat system (compared to say, WoW, anyway...)

 

But, it also feels lonely and empty if you spend a lot of time on Night Side. And because it's such a long period (and sorry but 20 levels is a lot), it feels like the whole game will be just like Tortage.

 

Honestly, Funcom shoulda made it ten levels, or even 5. You'd come out with a lot less preparedness, but a better feel for the community.

Actually Tortage is the game's best feature. It quickly goes down hill once you leave

Why can't people just accept that most of this comes down to personal preference.  Just because you like game A better than game B, doesn't mean either one is better or worse. 

The ONLY way to have a truly unbiased review of a game is to compare its technical specifications, anything else is biased.

I used to like WoW, got very burned out on it though.  Played TBC and all of that.  I really enjoy AoC now and feel more in control of the character in terms of combat. 

The reason these threads always go no where is because there is no valid answer to questions like "Which is the greatest MMO".

You can answer questions like

1. "Which MMO has the best graphics" - AoC

2. "Which MMO has the most subscribers" - WoW

Even 1. is a bit ambiguous, AoC may have the best graphics "technically" in terms of polygons etc, but some players may prefer the graphics in WoW.

The fact of the matter is at the core of it, most MMORPG's are the same - this is exactly what puts them in the genre in the first place.  It's the little changes to the core that will attract or detract certain people.

Originally posted by elondor

 

Originally posted by WiccanCircle

I am curious.  It is 72-hours after launch so I can see why people have strong emotions still tied in to games that they have played for thousands of hours, but I read all of these posts about how Age of Conan isn't the greatest and that there are so many better games out there. 

Oh Really?  

Where?   I would love to play one of those. 

Combat?   Quests?   Equipment?   Classes?   Graphics?   Sound? 

Skills?  (strange this is my number one priority in a game yet it is almost never mentioned by most other MMO players, aside from the rediculous mythical quest for 'balance' issues.)

Most of these posts reference some vague 'betterness' elsewhere but leave the specifics to the readers imagination.  I am curious, all of the parts of AoC that people, a few hours in to the game, are saying aren't as good as other games - really?

What Games Have Better MMORPG Components?

 

 

in order..

LOTRO

Vanguard

Everquest

Everquest 2

WoW

EvE .. do you need me to keep going?

 

Age of Conan is built like a console game, except it doesn't run nearly as good as a console game...

Vanguard?!? Now that's priceless. I really hope I never come across your train of thought. The only game that deserves to be on that list is EQ2... and that's questionable.

a Thread Summarization:

Your Game Sucks, let me tell you why... Commies!

To those feeling instances are the cause of a destruction of immersion: You zone way too much if it's really causing that much of a trouble.

To the people who feel that the game is built like a console game: It was done on purpose. If you don't like it apologies, but the game was created to be an active-MMORPG, not a MMORPG.

Fact: There is no definitive answer to a question which calls for opinion.

Fact: Although when enough opinion is placed together you can form a data trend line, This is a Web-Forum. Not a Sociology Class.

Fact: A game's greatness is not determined by it's subscription numbers, it's features, or it's player base before one month has passed. but by the overall enjoyment of it's playerbase.

in Conclusion: The Greatest MMO ever is Helo Kitty Island Adventures.

Thank you.

Originally posted by markoraos

 

Originally posted by WiccanCircle

 

I can think of very few things better years in to those games too.  AoC is basically WoW at its core.  So I am shocked that the WoW fanclub doesn't like it.  What do you believe is better about those games?  (and comparison of community and extent of content etc. means nothing to a game that has been out a few hours)

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!

I thought AoC is NOTHING like WoW and it's a truly revolutionary next-gen thing which will change the face of MMOs with its never-before-seen original awesomeness?

Wasn't WAR supposed to be a WoW clone? 

Ummm... where did you get that idea?  WAR a WoW clone?  Seriously, where did you get that idea?

Originally posted by Cotswold

Originally posted by markoraos

 

Originally posted by WiccanCircle

 

I can think of very few things better years in to those games too.  AoC is basically WoW at its core.  So I am shocked that the WoW fanclub doesn't like it.  What do you believe is better about those games?  (and comparison of community and extent of content etc. means nothing to a game that has been out a few hours)

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!

I thought AoC is NOTHING like WoW and it's a truly revolutionary next-gen thing which will change the face of MMOs with its never-before-seen original awesomeness?

Wasn't WAR supposed to be a WoW clone? 

Ummm... where did you get that idea?  WAR a WoW clone?  Seriously, where did you get that idea?

I got brainwashed by commies.

No seriously, I kinda flipped from being constantly bombarded by this fluff = EVERYTHING. For me the core game design is the basis - the rest is fluff. Ofc fluff sells, but you cannot do anything if you don't have a good solid game design foundation. Sadly, devs time and again build fluff on silt and wonder what the hell happened - look at all the cool gfx and stories we have?

I'll stop my rant here.

Originally posted by Cotswold

Originally posted by markoraos

 

Originally posted by WiccanCircle

 

I can think of very few things better years in to those games too.  AoC is basically WoW at its core.  So I am shocked that the WoW fanclub doesn't like it.  What do you believe is better about those games?  (and comparison of community and extent of content etc. means nothing to a game that has been out a few hours)

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa!!

I thought AoC is NOTHING like WoW and it's a truly revolutionary next-gen thing which will change the face of MMOs with its never-before-seen original awesomeness?

Wasn't WAR supposed to be a WoW clone? 

Ummm... where did you get that idea?  WAR a WoW clone?  Seriously, where did you get that idea?

Sarcasm mate...

So people being split into different servers is a bad thing now...?

I figured that was a good thing. It means that there is simply too much of an overabundance of players, therefore splitting people to ensure a faster performance for everyone. No matter how high-tech you get you simply can't fit so many people in one area with today's technology, even if it's a game with little performance reqs like WoW. Sorry, WoW doesn't count... if you've actually been in the same place with more than a couple hundred people within a couple yards of one another (a typical raid in the game), you'd understand. I think AoC is one of the few games that realizes the importance of splitting players.

There are ways to split servers without being forced to pick only one.

Runescape - you can freely switch servers.

It's also an interesting case, because you can instantly switch classes too. Just kind of weird.

Originally posted by HumbleHobo

There are ways to split servers without being forced to pick only one.

Runescape - you can freely switch servers.

It's also an interesting case, because you can instantly switch classes too. Just kind of weird.

Runescape is a browser-based game, it's much easier. Also, just wait until this hype dies down. As the OP said, it's been 72 hours. She uses it as her strong point, but it's also the biggest weakness. Who knows how long before she thinks its just another boring MMO? But of course it seems new and shiny now. Once the pop. drops a bit, they probably won't have to split the servers so much.

I know everyone on this site hates WoW as do I, but WoW has over 10mil subs..........As compared to any other mmo on the market which has less than 1mil subs. Which means 10 million people prefer wow over the estimated guess of 3 million that play all the other pay 2 play mmos on the market, so you tell me which mmo is considered the greatest.....?

anyways my fav mmo of all time was pre cu swg.

meh, to each their own per their own preferences.  i haven't played too many mmos (EQ/AC/DAoC/WoW/LoTRO(beta)/AoC), but PERSONALLY, the amount of fun/enjoyment/interest i've had in AoC in the last 2 weeks of playing has overshadowed anything else i've experienced in any of the other games i've mentioned.  whether just taking the same time frame into the equation (i.e. the first 2 weeks of playing the game) or just taking the 2 weeks in AoC against my whole time in any of the other ones.

I personally don't care what anyone else thinks of any MMO, you'd be an idiot to do so quite frankly, since they're not the ones that are going to be playing it for you.

If you love UO or EQ then by god that's the best MMO out there, for you.  If you get wood over AC or LoTRO, then by god either of THOSE are the best MMO's out there, for you. 

Great! go and enjoy whatever you enjoy, and stop pretending you can speak for anyone else's tastes/preferences.

AoC is the most fun I've had since Star Wars Galaxies at launch. End of story.

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by elondor

 

Originally posted by WiccanCircle

I am curious.  It is 72-hours after launch so I can see why people have strong emotions still tied in to games that they have played for thousands of hours, but I read all of these posts about how Age of Conan isn't the greatest and that there are so many better games out there. 

Oh Really?  

Where?   I would love to play one of those. 

Combat?   Quests?   Equipment?   Classes?   Graphics?   Sound? 

Skills?  (strange this is my number one priority in a game yet it is almost never mentioned by most other MMO players, aside from the rediculous mythical quest for 'balance' issues.)

Most of these posts reference some vague 'betterness' elsewhere but leave the specifics to the readers imagination.  I am curious, all of the parts of AoC that people, a few hours in to the game, are saying aren't as good as other games - really?

What Games Have Better MMORPG Components?

 

 

in order..

LOTRO

[ insert rationalisation here ]

Vanguard

[ insert rationalisation here ]

Everquest

[ insert rationalisation here ]

Everquest 2

[ insert rationalisation here ]

WoW

[ insert rationalisation here ]

EvE

[ insert rationalisation here ]

.. do you need me to keep going?

 

Age of Conan is built like a console game, except it doesn't run nearly as good as a console game... [ insert rationalisation here ]

 

You ask 100 different people to give you a list in order of which is in their minds a better MMO than AoC. You will also get 100 different answers. I personaly think Vanguard, COX, and EQ2, heck even UO are better games than AoC. I can't bring myself to play AoC longer than one hour at a time. The game play for AoC is a painful experence for me and not enjoyable. I thought the early graphics I saw in dev. looked better than the finished game too. AoC is a beautiful game, but IMHO, Vanguard looks better and allows you to do more of what "YOU" want to do and sooner!

Originally posted by Deviate

 

Originally posted by solareus

Truthfully, alot of games. The biggest thing missing from this game (AoC) is the connectivity towards community, the instancing pulls everyone apart at each zone , and it will plague any type of role playing as your trying to keep emmersed in the loading screen .

Think a lot fo folk who actual pvpers of the hardcore nature are looking forward to Darkfalls pvp , which will be by land and sea battles as well as sea to land and vice versa. The city building and seiging is also in darkfall will be a lot more parrelell to Shadowbane, and we will see a lot of SB guilds moving to DF. Granted, DF will not be for everyone and it will absolutely be a niche game for the people who are salivating for full loot pvp.

AoC just missed the boat interms of "massive" the world doesn't seem massive at all , it is linear and has a platform game feel that is truly not exceptable in this market of pc gaming. The computers and technology are ready for a full world exp without having to load  into an instance.

AoC would of been ground breaking title if the would of tried that much harder to create an actual game world instead of just tieing bits and pieces together through instancing. Think you will see fair scores ranging from 70-89% and I will be shocked to see anything above 90% for this game.

 

If you actually read about the game first,  you would've known the way the game was set up. So you aren't intelligent enough to find info about something you want to purchase? Then you come here and act like Funcom said the game was going to be seamless in the first place.

 

 

Do you order steak and then complain it doesn't taste like chicken?

Ofcourse any game maker will hype their product up some in order to sell it. I believe Funcom did a wonderful job in hyping a awful game into a world class one. Brave to their marketing team. They deserve a raise!!!  Too bad there isn't any laws to cover software returns. I am sure Funcom's 800k would drop 33-50% then. I'm just glad I didn't buy 3 copies of AoC that I was going to buy. One for myself and each of my daughters. Boy would I have been pissed then. But I only lost $50. No biggie.

Originally posted by scarothers08

 

Originally posted by Deviate

 

Originally posted by solareus

Truthfully, alot of games. The biggest thing missing from this game (AoC) is the connectivity towards community, the instancing pulls everyone apart at each zone , and it will plague any type of role playing as your trying to keep emmersed in the loading screen .

Think a lot fo folk who actual pvpers of the hardcore nature are looking forward to Darkfalls pvp , which will be by land and sea battles as well as sea to land and vice versa. The city building and seiging is also in darkfall will be a lot more parrelell to Shadowbane, and we will see a lot of SB guilds moving to DF. Granted, DF will not be for everyone and it will absolutely be a niche game for the people who are salivating for full loot pvp.

AoC just missed the boat interms of "massive" the world doesn't seem massive at all , it is linear and has a platform game feel that is truly not exceptable in this market of pc gaming. The computers and technology are ready for a full world exp without having to load  into an instance.

AoC would of been ground breaking title if the would of tried that much harder to create an actual game world instead of just tieing bits and pieces together through instancing. Think you will see fair scores ranging from 70-89% and I will be shocked to see anything above 90% for this game.

 

If you actually read about the game first,  you would've known the way the game was set up. So you aren't intelligent enough to find info about something you want to purchase? Then you come here and act like Funcom said the game was going to be seamless in the first place.

 

 

Do you order steak and then complain it doesn't taste like chicken?

I believe most poeple who purchased this game, myself included, did research it first. I knew it was instanced, but they made it sound like it was done like WOW. Even though I am not a fan of instanced games, I gave it a try. It is no where instanced like WOW or AO is. Totaly worse IMHO.

 

Ofcourse any game maker will hype their product up some in order to sell it. I believe Funcom did a wonderful job in hyping a awful game into a world class one. Brave to their marketing team. They deserve a raise!!!  Too bad there isn't any laws to cover software returns. I am sure Funcom's 800k would drop 33-50% then. I'm just glad I didn't buy 3 copies of AoC that I was going to buy. One for myself and each of my daughters. Boy would I have been pissed then. But I only lost $50. No biggie.

They never "made it sound like it was done like wow". You are exactly the type of person I was describing in my post.

I guarantee all the people complaining about instances haven't even gotten out of Tortage. I just laugh when I keep hearing cries about "breaking immersion". Oh..no..a 5 second loading screen, it's just ruining my experience. Give it a rest. I guess WoW doesn't break immersion when it asks you which of the 35 different instances of the BG you want to run?

Originally posted by Deviate

Originally posted by scarothers08

 

Originally posted by Deviate

 

Originally posted by solareus

Truthfully, alot of games. The biggest thing missing from this game (AoC) is the connectivity towards community, the instancing pulls everyone apart at each zone , and it will plague any type of role playing as your trying to keep emmersed in the loading screen .

Think a lot fo folk who actual pvpers of the hardcore nature are looking forward to Darkfalls pvp , which will be by land and sea battles as well as sea to land and vice versa. The city building and seiging is also in darkfall will be a lot more parrelell to Shadowbane, and we will see a lot of SB guilds moving to DF. Granted, DF will not be for everyone and it will absolutely be a niche game for the people who are salivating for full loot pvp.

AoC just missed the boat interms of "massive" the world doesn't seem massive at all , it is linear and has a platform game feel that is truly not exceptable in this market of pc gaming. The computers and technology are ready for a full world exp without having to load  into an instance.

AoC would of been ground breaking title if the would of tried that much harder to create an actual game world instead of just tieing bits and pieces together through instancing. Think you will see fair scores ranging from 70-89% and I will be shocked to see anything above 90% for this game.

 

If you actually read about the game first,  you would've known the way the game was set up. So you aren't intelligent enough to find info about something you want to purchase? Then you come here and act like Funcom said the game was going to be seamless in the first place.

 

 

Do you order steak and then complain it doesn't taste like chicken?

I believe most poeple who purchased this game, myself included, did research it first. I knew it was instanced, but they made it sound like it was done like WOW. Even though I am not a fan of instanced games, I gave it a try. It is no where instanced like WOW or AO is. Totaly worse IMHO.

 

Ofcourse any game maker will hype their product up some in order to sell it. I believe Funcom did a wonderful job in hyping a awful game into a world class one. Brave to their marketing team. They deserve a raise!!!  Too bad there isn't any laws to cover software returns. I am sure Funcom's 800k would drop 33-50% then. I'm just glad I didn't buy 3 copies of AoC that I was going to buy. One for myself and each of my daughters. Boy would I have been pissed then. But I only lost $50. No biggie.

They never "made it sound like it was done like wow". You are exactly the type of person I was describing in my post.

Man, you must be the dumbest person I ever read.... I have never said I expected it to be seamless as you said in your post. I knew it was instanced, I read about the "new combat" system". I thought it would have been a great thing too. As I stated. I was suckered into it as around 800k were. I bought the game on my own, and after giving it a try. It sucks for me. By the way, I too hate WOW, just resub'ed. tonight in order to play with my children for awhile. You know, family bonding thing...??? So, I am nothing like you stated in your post. I merely said the Funcom had a great Marketing team that needed a raise for turning a crappy game into a great one, or at least make it look great... Please remember what you stated in your posts, esp. when trying to flame someone for not thinking / brainwashing like you.