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Jimmy_Scythe 5/18/08 6:33:33 PM
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Red or Blue, if you vote according to party loyalty then you aren't competent to vote. Democracy only works with the active input of free thinking individuals. Without that, well.... |
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Vemoi 5/18/08 6:53:13 PM
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Government always finds a need for whatever money it gets. |
Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe
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Jimmy_Scythe 5/18/08 7:44:33 PM
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Yeah, probably not the best video to represent my point but it certainly sums up the way I feel about politics in the U.S. When people stop thinking for themselves they get a moron for president and a congress that rolls over on the command of the executive branch. It could be due to the fact that both the democrats and republican share common motivations (greed and a fear of poor people), but the fact that the American people have let this dog and pony show go on for this long is a depressing testament to sloth and complacency. If you're voting in lock step with the commands of a particular party then you probably shouldn't be voting at all since you don't understand the intellectual implications of freedom. |
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Bigdavo 5/18/08 8:34:44 PM
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''Life is what you make of it, not what others make of yours.'' |
There's no such thing as freedom, only degrees of it. |
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DailyBuzz 5/19/08 12:49:03 AM
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If buying Marijuana supports terrorists, legalize it so we can buy American. |
Originally posted by Jimmy_ScytheOdd how it gains traction spoken in these terms, but if you were to say something like . . . “Our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not. “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” . . . people get all upset and call you an elitist.
This is exactly what Obama was talking about. People have largely given up on a politician actually listening to their problems and trying to do something to help them on issues that affect their daily lives. He wasn't saying that religion and guns are trivial issues, he was saying that people have voted for a candidate expressly on these 2 issues (votes which only served to worsen the economy) in past elections because they have abandoned hope for positive changes on many other problems. On the topic of election fraud, I saw an interesting documentary ( Hacking Democracy ) about the voting machines used in Florida and Ohio in 2000 and 2004. I was loosely following the recounts after both elections, but it was really enlightening to see behind the scenes during the investigations. Part 8 (around the 6 minute mark) and part 9 are the best bang for your buck, if you only have 15 minutes to watch. The earlier parts go into the corruption aspects of Diebold (the computer voting machines manufacturer) and various political figures. |
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cityzen 5/19/08 3:53:20 AM
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The video was nothing new really. I don't think most people are that close-minded. There a lot of different reasons why people vote for a person, some more valid for the position than others. Though you got me thinking on the word Democracy. The US was formed as a Representative Democracy But I think we are moving towards a Liberal Democracy Not sure if this is good or bad. Probably depends on your constituency. |
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