Requiem: Bloodymare

Originally posted by Adamaris

 

Originally posted by Napocalypse

WOW kid #1"OMG guys, if we wipe on this raid, we  gotta run back to this INSTANCE. and then rebuff, and that takes us 5 minutes. We will only have 25minutes left  before bedtime"

WOW kid #2"I got 15minutes before my mom and dad are making me go eat dinner"

WOW kid #3" Guys hurry omgzorz!!!111! I gotta do my  math homework!"

 

 

you kids, because that what you are, i dont care your age or anything, when you come here and say WOW has raids, and  was the first to do so, and try telling a original EQ'er  that he does not know what raids are, GTFO.  Everything in WOW  has been done again, they simply took/stole from previous Real mmos and  put  it into one MMO, and made it casual, so that you can get max level in a few days.

 

 Have you ever heard of a hell level? AA's?  Ever play for days for ONE level, and thats not even max level, and continue playing and exping to further your skills, no.   You think your little 10 minute boss fights are extreme.  Try planning for days and having bosses on timers.  Your little instances is a joke.  WOW is simply, a basic   learner MMO to introduce people into MMO's. I am glad you enjoy raiding, but until you  play a real MMO (BTW I see none coming out in the future because WOW ruined the market and everyone is trying to clone it... ) Do not dare come here and  say I do not know what a raid is and that WOW raids are challenging. Go play a ranger in EQ and come back here try talking to me. I was ShadowKnight and Cleric/Shammy as alts, but trust me, your little WOW is not a real MMO.

I never have and never will use ts/vent because I play with Good players, I don't have to be on  voice comms to  tell people how to play, or the target to  attack in pvp. If I do they are not good players, they should KNOW  what to do, If I wanted to teach people hwo to play I will just box, and trust me I boxed over 16 accounts before for contested mobs in EQ2 because people were not online.  Voice comms, in a non fps environment, is basically a few good players being on it and  teaching/telling the others how to play. And when you are not raiding or pvping, you all are bullshitting and  putting lame music and stuff on  vent/ts.  Sorry But I can think of a million other things than other, yes I include myself, loser guys sitting at home in front of a keyboard playing MMO's for hours on end, I however use it as a form of escapism. I got a real life.  But I  had no life back in the day for sure, back when I was EQing it up =D.

 

Please learn about MMO's before you come here trying to tell someone who has been around the scene longer than you will last in your entirety.

Another attempt to look so mature?

 

For your info, i've played EQ2, so yeah, i might know how the raids are there, and you didn't play WoW, so maybe you should learn a bit about it first before talk crap. The point of that you don't need TS/Vent to make a succesful raid with "your pro players" makes me laugh, as if you have to type what each person has to do in the chat, you'd spend quite a bit time.

And no...is not that ohhh 15 minutes wasted, kids bed time...it's more like ohh 15 mins wasted, i gotta go to sleep to get up to work tomorrow, do u know what is that? :) is not like everyone can spend 8-12 hours playing everyday.

The point of WoW stole all their content from other games....dude...every game has something based in other game...so what do you say? are you still in dreamland? /rolf

Personaly, if you don't use TS/Vent playing a raiding mmorpg...you must be very anti-social i have to say, actually i've laughed so much and had incredibly fun talking by vent when there was not a BOSS FIGHT, in a boss fight Vent keeps clear, only 1 or 2 speaks, have you ever heard of that? maybe your pro guild in EQ was so childish and dumb to make what you say on Vent, so thats why you didn't bother using it.

And yeah...you seems to laugh so much about a GAME YOU HAVEN'T PLAYED, but i shall remember you, i played EQ2, and the raiding there is not that good and tactic, requires less intelligence actually.

Does leveling time means a game is bad? i prefer get to max level in less time and enjoy high end content earlier than just spend half of your lifetime grinding to reach the max lvl.... Also, leveling speed of WoW and EQ is almost equal, go play WoW and let's see if you get to max lvl within a few days as you say lol. Maybe you read somewhere that you can get to max lvl in a few days of PLAYED TIME, knowing the game A LOT...which is not the same, another proof of ur dumb knowdoledge

Another thing is that WoW's bosses mostly are timer bosses that if you don't kill them within a stated time your raid will die almost 100%, poor kid living in dreamland...seems like i'm getting paid for speaking well of WoW lol, is not the case, as i don't like that much hardcore raiding games anymore.

So i advice you something, when you know a game and it's fully content, flame it because it's bad, but don't do it as a big mouth brainless kid just because you don't like it (just because you hear people say it's a bad game for kids).

And yeah, every wipe in WoW matters, A LOT for raiding progress. Since yes...1 wipe 10 mins of rebuffing and walking waste, but the timer of respawn trash mobs in the dungeon is counting ,maybe they respawn every 45 mins, or 1 hour, or 2 hours. So yea...it's very important to make good attempts and focus a lot, or you won't progress never, So count a bit, 10 mins of rebuffing and getting ready, 10-20 mins boss fight depending on how well you do it.  So at least 20-25 mins of waste, 30-35 like max, that makes 2-3 attempts  on a boss before wasting another while clearning the dungeon again. Maybe you are so pro that can get 20 people with you, without using vent, 1 shotting bosses that you never killed before, In many bosses phases you would fail without using Vent (unless using macro's for the chat, which is a crap spamming thing), if you don't believe it, just ask around. Average guilds make about 4-5 attempts a day on a progress raid, as there is not much more time when people has a real life outside their room, that simply proves that most of the raiding population in WoW are very mature.

Well, you can keep the last paragraph for yourself, ill write it again for you, maybe you already forgot it ;)

Please learn about MMO's before you come here trying to tell someone who has been around the scene longer than you will last in your entirety.

And ye, you talk about EQ, i try to defend WoW, but every one has it's own opinion, and there are many other games with good raiding, but hey! you seems to know only about EQ so i won't make your brain warm so much today.

Also, is not like im glad of being the one who spends more time playing mmorpgs, in many ways i see it more as an addiction for many people than a game itself, but at least i bother reading a bit more and learning about the game itself before flame on forums, ie as you.

Edit: Btw, weren't you the guy who wasn't gonna bother downloading requiem client again? already saw u ingame after OB released, shouting by region channel.

The differnce between EQ and EQ2 is tremendous but hes correct, wows far from original and far from complex. EQ1 raids and classes are complex, where in wow they are for the casual gamer, and for all ages. WoW is very simplistic, very! Im not knocking either game but seriously, wow is nothing.... easy to play and easy to master. I have a few 70s myself, for wow that is, and in comparison to EQ1 raiding, it doesn't come close, by any means, in difficulty.... I myself wish a company would put out a new mmo similiar to the original UO, but with everyone catering to casual gamers, it will never happen.

Meatimus, you are comparing WoW burning crusade raiding with EQ1 raiding, then why don't u better compare WoW old raiding with it? we all know WoW expansion raiding is 1000 times easier than the old 60's content that only a couple of guilds managed to raid deeper

Originally posted by Adamaris

Meatimus, you are comparing WoW burning crusade raiding with EQ1 raiding, then why don't u better compare WoW old raiding with it? we all know WoW expansion raiding is 1000 times easier than the old 60's content that only a couple of guilds managed to raid deeper

FACT: WOW is for casual gamers of all ages. Its nowehere near as complex as EQ. Sorry, its just the truth. Theres really no argument about it. If you asked me which game I enjoyed more, I probrably liked wow more, but the fact remains EQ was more complex in both its classes and raids.

I never said EQ1 wasn't complex, i said EQ2 raiding is a joke. I was pointing out that WoW is not that much for kids as people say, such as napo (WTF KIDS MMORPG words) The point is that he flame games without even have tested them, such as WoW, he already confirmed that he didn't play it anytime, but still he thinks to know so much about it and flame it all over.

As you played WoW i bet you know there are many mature players, i would say 90% of raiding players are mature,  as there is a low chance of getting accepted by a decent raiding guild if you are an inmature kid. And thats what i'm trying to defend out, from that Napo because he doesn't know a crap.

From my point of view, a game that requires to be very hardcore it's usually infested by inmature people, as the rest can't afford the time of playing them.

And yeah...with the time mmorpgs will become more and more casual, as the last thing adult players want is a second job, so it's normal that WoW seems to be less hardcore than EQ, but that game is pretty much old, it's like comparing an old Atari with a PS3

I rarely decide not to try a game based on one or two people's opinions. I find it best to try it out for myself. There is no better judge than yourself to find out if a game is interesting or good enough for you to play it.

OP, u make this forum so lively i just gotta see what all the fuss is about

thnx Napo, im downloading it right now to try it out

nice post on eq/wow meat,  same meat from back in CB>?

Wow, heh, how did this conversation get off onto a WoW vs. EQ tangent?

Well, I guess comparisons are really kind of hard to avoid in this field, and will never really disappear.

But there is no true comparison between EQ1 raiding and WoW raiding, other then the fact that you get people together to try and kill a raid boss. After that the comparisons start becoming pretty thin. Sure there are some, like you need enough healers, a decent tank or two, and enough DPS to win.

But honestly, EQ1 raiding was on a different level, and if you've never played EQ1 it's sort of hard to understand.

Let's look at a Plane of Fear Break-in from EQ1.

First, the zone-in to PoF is in the middle of a pathing area. So MoBs can be there when your raid zones in, there is no safe zone-in like Molten core, or all of WoW's raid instances. Zone-in was fight on the go. You usually sent in scouts to see if it was clear.

Second, the aggro range on the MoBs was scary and if Cazic was up you could actually aggro the main boss of the instance by accident and wipe the raid if you didn't know what to do. That can't happen in WoW either.

Imagine being able to aggro Ragnaros if someone fell in the lava in Molten core and he would run all the way from his room to the entrance and aggro everything on the way.

Now, let's look at the number one difference between WoW raids and EQ1 raids. Death.

Sure, there is an xp penalty in EQ1, but that wasn't the reason nobody wanted to wipe on a raid.

What happens in WoW when a raid wipes. Worse case, no raid recovery and everyone has to run back, repair and rebuff, and then clear some stuff that respawned. Leaving aside a bugged instance, this is the worse case scenario for a WoW raid.

EQ1 Raid gone wrong worse case scenario is an absolute nightmare.

First off when you die you are not a ghost, you respawn totally alive. So you must actually fight all the way back to your corpse. Every single piece of trash in the way.

Second, when you die, your equipment stays on your corpse, it does not reappear with you. So you are running back naked. Just try imagining fighting anything in WoW without any equipment in a high level zone.

Third, you need to get your corpse from the middle of an instance area that has raid level MoBs in it. And remember that you are naked. Recovery from an EQ1 raid wipe was 10 times longer then a WoW wipe.

In any case, I have raided high end content in both games. They are apples and oranges. The raids in EQ1 were not as technically difficult as they are in WoW. That's one thing I loved about WoW raids, they were so interesting and you needed real tactics to win.

But EQ1 raids were Strategically difficult. Just getting a raid in place was a fight in and of itself. Plane of Hate and Fear are great examples of that. Now, they weren't all like that, and as they added stuff they started to dial down a little, with safer zone-ins, and more technically difficult encounters.

In any case, it's useless to argue over apples and oranges.