Hellgate: London

Originally posted by Umbrood

Of all insane claims I have seen in this place, this takes the price.

Diablo not an RPG?

Mate, do your research, Diablo invented the action RPG genre.

Diablo is not to be measured against other RPG's for determening wether or not it is one, all other games are measured against diablo to determine wether or not is an action RPG.

But as you say, you do not even care what other thinks, it is not an RPG in your book, and that is fine we are all entitled to our opinions after all.

But why then even bring it up?

You are not going to change your view regardles of what arguments we put forth obviously.

But to be frank the "We who do not think diablo is an RPG club", is by all probability the loneliest club in the gaming community.

Since its release this is the first and only time I have heard this claim.

I migth not agree with the statement that FSS is THE authority on action RPG's.

But Diablo and DiabloII with their expansions are still the yardstick against wich all others are measured.

Saying that they are not RPG's is like saying a meter is not a distance.

 

 

I'm not saying this to be rude man really.  If you are going to tell someone to do research you really should have done your own.  The Diablo series is credited for "revitalizing" the action rpg market but is in no way whatsoever considered to be the first of it's kind.  That title goes to far older games such as the Mana series and hell even many games made back in the 80's are thought of as early action rpgs because they used elements such as character progression, economy, exploration, loot and other stats while keeping a more "action" based combat system.  Those are the games that gave birth to Diablo later on.  Like I said I'm not trying to be a jerk it's just some of us are old enough to remember enjoying the "action rpgs" long before Diablo ever came around.

Yes Diablo seems to have always been considered a rpg, because it falls under the label of action rpg which really only means in technical terms that a game with the typical elements that make a rpg is more focused on real time combat rather than turn based such as traditional games like Fallout, Baldurs Gate, Arcanum etc..hence the word action.

Anyhow, the best part of this thread though has been the repeated non-sense you always see someone post about where basically any game you can "roleplay" in can be classified under the rpg genra title..

If that was the case than every single game ever created could be called a rpg...

Yup Quake was an rpg because I roleplayed some space marine killing demons..

Thought Crysis was a first person shooter? nope it's an rpg because I roleplay that I'm a guy in a nanosuit killing N. Koreans..

Supreme Commander a RTS? Wrong, you guessed it..rpg.  I'm roleplaying that I'm a big robot building armies..

Point is rpg as a gaming genra does in fact have some type of guidlines that make it such.

PS: Here ya go went ahead and did the research for some..though I personally think wikis are a joke to base an argument off of this does at least list many of the early action rpgs under the History section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_role-playing_game

What a nice, friendly thread.

I just have one thing to say: I liked Diablo. Stop. Is diablo an rpg? Is diablo an actionrpg? Is Tetris an action game? Is Revenge of the mutant camels a space sim? I really, really, really don't care about genres. It happens with music, cinema, games.... a lot of people arguing about the perfect way to define a game. Just play it, if you like it.

Well, that's my point of view... I respect yours :)

Originally posted by emanjonez

What a nice, friendly thread.

I just have one thing to say: I liked Diablo. Stop. Is diablo an rpg? Is diablo an actionrpg? Is Tetris an action game? Is Revenge of the mutant camels a space sim? I really, really, really don't care about genres. It happens with music, cinema, games.... a lot of people arguing about the perfect way to define a game. Just play it, if you like it.

Well, that's my point of view... I respect yours :)

Wow, first post on this nonsense? Really after 3 years of a nonposter that is impressive.

Originally posted by emanjonez

What a nice, friendly thread.

I just have one thing to say: I liked Diablo. Stop. Is diablo an rpg? Is diablo an actionrpg? Is Tetris an action game? Is Revenge of the mutant camels a space sim? I really, really, really don't care about genres. It happens with music, cinema, games.... a lot of people arguing about the perfect way to define a game. Just play it, if you like it.

Well, that's my point of view... I respect yours :)

Yes of course it does matter in this situation, because Flagship Studios called themselves the RPG authority.

And poster HoldMe thanks for your post. It summarizes the points perfectly as I see them, I couldn't explain it better.

The thing is i consider Diablo as hack'n slash action game with RPG features. Even if you dare to call it action RPG, it's noway near to agree with that Flagship self-title RPG Authority.

Flagship Studios is far from the RPG Authority. I chuckled the first time I saw them use that.

Originally posted by Thillian

 

Originally posted by Coman

 

You also gonna make thread about the 100s of Asian MMO website claiming they have the most awared game in [Instert Asian country]?

 

Also Diablo is an action RPG, infact seeing there core members have created Diablo they have an right to claim the titel for first, last and only voice.

No Diablo is not RPG nor action RPG nor combat RPG or whatever. And I don't care who or what calls it that way, I don't care if those 18 years old kids called reviewers, writing for pseudo review websites like IGN or gamespot. RPG is a genre with its specifications. Diablo doesnt meet any of those.

 

Is tropico a game called political RPG? Sims called life RPG?, Europa 1400 Guild called economical RPG? No same as Diablo is not action RPG, it's just action game.

 In tropico or Europa 1400 guild you have a story, you have a character with traits you pick and improve. That's just not enough to call a game a RPG. And Diablo has nothing more.

Ahahaha. D2 is an rpg and so is hellgate. It may be different in some ways then other rpgs but it is still classified as an rpg. Tell me what makes it not?

Why are you so eff'in butthurt?  Hellgate is an RPG.  I dont know about the "Authority" but its a good game and its an RPG in which i can play online with massive amounts of other people.  I guess that makes it an MMORPG.  Not on the same scale as WoW or EQ of course but an MMORPG none the less.  Im playing the roll of a dude with purple hair.  He wields two automatic handguns, blows zombies heads off, levels up, and gains new skills and attributes.  I have a blademaster friend.  Hes got grey hair.  He wields to swords and spins through crowds of zombies, dismembering and decapitating as he goes.  He levels up as well.  We meet people as well and they join us on our crusade to rid london of hell's minions.

This in turn takes us to harder areas of the game where i find a Volt Rifle from a Boss Mob that fires faster then nailguns in Quake.  Now i'm on a crusade with others to stop these demons from invading humanity.

I guess thats pretty RPG.  You know i am playing the role of someone.  In a fantasy setting a bit off from reality.  Its kinda sick. 

Imaginaaaaaaition.

Originally posted by Ilshi

Why are you so eff'in butthurt.  Hellgate is an RPG.  I dont know about the "Authority" but its a good game and its an RPG in which i can play online with massive amounts of other people.  I guess that makes it an MMORPG.  Not on the same scale as WoW or EQ of course but an MMORPG none the less.  Im playing the roll of a dude with purple hair.  He wields two automatic handguns, blows zombies heads off, levels up, and gains new skills and attributes.  I have a blademaster friend.  Hes got grey hair.  He wields to swords and spins through crowds of zombies, dismembering and decapitating as he goes.  He levels up as well.  We meet people as well and they join us on our crusade to rid london of hell's minions.

This in turn takes us to harder areas of the game where i find a Volt Rifle from a Boss Mob that fires faster then nailguns in Quake.  Now i'm on a crusade with others to stop these demons from invading humanity.

 

I guess thats pretty RPG.  You know i am playing the role of someone.  In a fantasy setting a bit off from reality.  Its kinda sick. 

Imaginaaaaaaition.

ahahaha awesome post

God damn useless post. And just for the record, the team who created Diablo was Flagship , previously a part of Blizzard and they left a bit before or after Burning Crusade ( world of warcraft ). So if you say the creators of Diablo are "The RPG Authority" and not Flagship....contradiction... and now a spinning smily :