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Originally posted by BaronJuJu

 

Originally posted by BeowulfAgate

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

So you are wanting folks paying the Station Pass, in addition to shell out money for the "velvet rope" access? 

 

You should really learn to read before you post, it's a F2P, no station pass will be required.

 

/sigh ok, I'll make it simpler for you

Yes, I realize its F2p....however my comments were geared towards the microtransactions aspect of it.  I was commenting that it would be crazy to have a Station Pass along with having to pay on top of that for the "velvet rope" access. However a friend told me that Smedley commented late last year that Station Pass customers are considered part of the "Velvet rope" access. I'm going to try and track down the exact comment.*

Next time, make sure when you make corny remarks that you are at least timely about it. I wrote that yesterday and commented further on it.

PS - I would love to see E&B come back

 

*Edit found it here a CGW article from 2005 entitled "Online Evolution"

""In the meantime, Sony Online, is trying something slightly more radical. “We believe very strongly that the future of MMO gaming is not just subscription based. In fact,” says SOE president John Smedley, “we’re going to put our money where our mouth is when we release our next big game in the fall of 2006.” The idea behind the new mystery title is this: The game is free—no level restrictions, no retail release, no BS. Download it and you’re good to go. “However,” says Smedley, “there will be a velvet rope area. We’re toying with the idea of charging $4.99 a month for a few extra bank slots or places to hold things.” Lusting after that flashy new designer armor? SOE will provide the ability to purchase “cosmetic items,” and Station Exchange (SOE’s version of an MMO eBay) will be available on all game servers. Of course, those signing up for Station Access get behind that “velvet rope” as well.

 

Please make it simpler, since it appears that you are contradicting yourself.  You start off complaining that you have to pay for the velvet rope access as a Station Pass member then produce a quote by Smedley stating the opposite.  My response was based on what I had read where it was stated that Station Pass member would have full access, which your quote backs up.  So what is the point of your post?

And I only have time to read the forums once a day at best, so I'm sorry my life is too busy for you.  I have better things to do than troll posts and worry about responses.  And putting your response in bold doesn't make up for a lack of logic in your post...

Lol good ol' Sony...Can they do anything right?

Remeber too, on top of The Agency, they are also releasing the MMO Free Realms. Its another F2P with "velvet rope" model, so they seem to be pretty keen on going down this path.

It will be interesting to see what they will make their DC MMO....F2P or P2P.

Its Free To Play for sure??

Smedley is such an idiot.  Everytime he opens his mouth, nonsense spews forth.

You have to wonder how long Sony will put up with his antics.   Considering the hot marketplace, should be pretty obvious that SOE has only one MMO in the top 5 and that won't be for long once some of these new games hit the ether.

I don't personally have anything against Sony. Of course, I wasn't playing any of the games which Sony supposedly came along and ruined, so they haven't done anything to personally tick me off.

The free to play model has the potential to bring in more money than the pay to play model because it has the potential to bring in more players. For instance, if you have a pay to play game that's $10 a month and you have 1,000 players, you're getting $10,000 a month. However, if you have a free to play game and you have 5,000 players, more players being attracted because it's free, and with some players spending more and some players spending less it works out to $5 a month per player, then you're getting $25,000 a month. So it works out to being less for each individual player, but more for the company.

Can we get someone in here that is currently happily engaged in a game that uses microtransactions?

I've tried one, Mobinogi, and didn't get hooked enough to form a real opinion from playing alone. Sitting here now, i am aginst the idea. I understand that in theory it has the ability to potentially bring in more folks, which coul lead to more profits and a more successful game, BUT we have seen that it certainly is not necessary in order to ensure a broad and growing playerbase. I just don't like it, as most of you have already stated, and i'd like to hear from the other side of the fence to see if my views are unfounded.

Oh well. I was going to look into the Agency. *sigh*

Microtransaction games are a sucker-bet. Just say no.

We've just finished a discussion on this in the general area. (More than one actually.)

Microtransaction games are a rip-off. They are NEVER good for the player.

For me, this game is a casualty of SOE CS.  I was never really motivated by this title, but I was planning to purchase it, if only to try it and to encourage different games, most likely quitting within the first week, but eh, who knows?

But after they mess it up and apply monthly fees for PotBS AFTER I cancel...this game is going to take the first hit, as I am vindicative.  It is not about the amount of money, it is about the principle, the trust.  If someone hit the cancel button, it is over.  If you mess it, then you check your log to see when the player stop playing.

It is a shame as the devs there have little to do with the CS and the big brother thingy, but there is no way I will let's bad charging behaviors go unpunished.

Originally posted by psyconius

I must also express my disliking of SOE haters.. I am not a fanboi or hater of any company. Each game is different from the previous games put out. If people weren't so close minded about gaming, things would be a lot easier on these forums =P

 

It also occurs to me that it is funny that people are hating on SOE for the subscription plan and also hating on them for the F2P business model in the same thread. SOE could cure cancer and there'd still be haters

i've tried every game SOE has on it's station pass.  i am completely under-impressed by all of them.  maybe it's just that a lot of other games seem SOOOOOOOOOO much better in comparison?  maybe it's because the station-pass-games are exactly what smed's goal is -- to have a bunch of average games on the station pass?

who knows.

i somehow doubt soe will ever have anything wonderful (read - cure cancer, or ANYTHING wonderful).  all you have to do is attach 'soe is publishing' to a game, and you can pretty much write that game off as garbage.  if soe doesn't force a game out early, then they're "helping" out games that are pretty crappy to start with and just sort of buying them out and stuff.

this game COULD be good.  this game COULD be great.  it's related to soe; it won't be.  soe doesn't buy/produce/publish GREAT games.  sorry.