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  Artursl

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5/07/08 11:54:41 AM#21

C2D 2.4GHZ, 8800gtx, 4 gigs of ram, considering, that my PC is not that new (its ok, but there is a lot sicker stuff out there) the performance is nice on everything maxed out.

At first it was really horrible, and I mean REALLY horrible, couldnt play it, defragmented my drive and voila, minor freezes are almost non-existant. Yeah, of course, it could be a lot better, but atm its quite playable, and I bet they will keep improving it.

  User Deleted
5/07/08 11:55:41 AM#22
Originally posted by Domenicus
Originally posted by TheGreyMan
Originally posted by Domenicus

 

Originally posted by TheGreyMan

must this topic be repeated 100 times a day...

I am sorry, Is there any poll like this around? or 99?

 

After shoooing the troll, I'd take the time also to remember that it would be good to us to be sincere, to have a better picture of how we are running the game. I ask the fanboys and haters to be honest. I am not trying to criticize the game (which I enjoy) or praise it. I am worried about the future the  game, I feel that we need to know the truth about this , so we can know if it is a personal problem with our hardware or if its really a problem with the client.

Thanks for the attention.

80% of topics here are on this

Oh, sorry then, can you appoint a POLL (not a topic) like this? I havent see none. Thank you.

poll doesnt make a difference

  WolfClaws

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5/07/08 12:11:21 PM#23

Originally posted by Domenicus

In recent interview, Funcom has stated (for my surprise) that the minority is having performance issue only, and majority are ok... It has even appointed that some is having 'stellar performance'...

Unfortunatelly I am one of the minority who is not having a good performance on FPS, speciallyu on crowded small palces... Funny thing is that everyone else that I spoke is complaining about that. Well, I guess I have met all the minority that Funcom has spoken of, then... And have not meet the majority yet...

Therefore lets be VERY honest and answer this poll to see if thats truth or not, I reall y want to know if its a minority that is having performance issue or not...

If possible, please state your rig and vote when commenting.

 

(consider bad performance as being unable to play right on crowded places and bad fps, something about 10-15 fps on less crowded places with a few freezes up for caching on HD or simple 'stall').

 

Mine is a low/medium machine (2 GB, Geforce 8600 GT 512 MB and Dual Core 2) on a Win XP and I am having several performance issues.

 

Ok, if anyone frequents the AoC boards, my name is Hawke...

To just say you have 2gigs of RAM and a Dual Core 2 CPU isn't saying a lot at all.

What are the exact specs of your system?  Motherboard, manufacturer, when you received it, screen resolution, your drivers for your audio, video, motherboard, etc...

 

Need more info.

This what you are doing isn't going to cut it.

  sipus

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5/07/08 12:16:28 PM#24

DC 2.8 hz 4gig of ram vista 32 sp1 ATI  HD 3850 512 memory.When I start beta i was on XP and game was horrid for me with 20 fps most.I siwch to vista 32 sp1 and I get 60ish fps outsite city and 25-30 in tortuga day time.Graphic on medium with AAx2 and bloom off, Shader 2x

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  CazNeerg

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5/07/08 12:21:15 PM#25

I have to agree with the poster that said polls don't matter.  There is far too much variety of experience, and too much variety in individual knowledge/ability in adjusting configurations, for a few generic poll options to produce any useful information.  That being said, it only costs $5.00 to get the 3-day headstart with the "real" client.  Doesn't seem like an unreasonable investment to me to pay five dollars, play for 3 days, if the performance still sucks, cancel your pre-order.  Problem solved.

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  Domenicus

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OP  5/07/08 12:22:51 PM#26

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

 

Originally posted by Domenicus

 

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

You do realize that since you didn't give "...good performance after thumbing down the settings..." as an option that your not really asking the question in a valid way right?

By cutting out the option you didn't want to see, you skewed the results. I for instance would fit into the catagory "I have a high end PC and I get good performance after thumbing down the settings" which I suspect is true for a lot of people, and I further suspect you knew that was the case and that it would hurt your arguement, so you didn't offer it as an option.

So in essence this is just more of the same hate trolling with a inherantly biased poll thrown on top in order to make it look valid.

In fact, you are right in some point, I really forgot to put that option, but only because, in my opinion, if you have a high end computer you WILL have a good performance, however a few people with a good computer or was having a stellar performance or a bad one even thumbing down it (as you can see in the poll). I havent heard anyone with a high computer thumning down and having a good performance (strangely as it seens). If I was a 'troll', little fanboy, I wouldnt put the options of good performance on good computers. But you are right on one point, I should have put this option. But that do not invalidate the poll, because what we see, mostly (including YOUR answer) is that even high end computers are NOT working the game properly as it should, however something up to 20% is... The poll was to discover if there was a minority, as they stated, who was having performance problems (relating your rig with the requisites of the game), and as we can see, WITH YOUR OPTION INCLUDING, that this isnt truth, so far...

 

 

 

 

No, we don't see that isn't the truth, we a see a poll that you set to make it appear that way by leaving off what I expect is truth... that most players can see acceptable performance by tweaking the settings. Your poll doesn't test for that so it isn't imperical... and since it's not impirical, it's meaningless. You should have learned all this in school.

I just wonder in which school you learned about 'empirical (not impirical).

From wikipedia, to you : "Empirical data is data that is produced by experiment or observation.[1]."

There we have that every knowledge personally gathered is more or less empirical, thus bases itself on experience and observation (on a very personal basis), especially SENSORIAL with no innate ideas... And thats what we are asking for, the empirical knowledge gathered for every experience. The poll set in here is to see about THAT empirical experience and not to SET an empirical experience. I want to know what the people are feeling about performance, to see if the statement of Funcom is truth or not. If its not truth, we let them know that several are having this issue and its time to concentrate on it, if its not truth, move along and let the minority suffer a little bit more.

Of course it is empirical, and I tried to form a base even being empirical, some basis knowledge. OF COURSE what is good for me isnt to you, my compairsons are not like yours, however we can have a thin common ground between (again, read it and you will see me trying to set this common ground of what is good and what is bad, and asking people to go for those guidances... Nevertheless will always be empirical).

And of course its not statiscally right, on a pure scientific form, but neither is the Funcom response about 'having star performance' and a majority with no performance issue. Its not the objective of this poll to be scientific, but a BASIS as it is the statement of Funcom, exactly to relate to that.

What you forgot to point is that more than 50% of people is having bad performance in this poll... 42% have high end machine and HAVE bad performance even thumbing down... What amazes me is a fanboy who try to explain how empirical is a poll, only to SUPPORT their fanboysm.

And you know whats funny? That fanboys hurt games a LOT more than haters, in this case, specifically we can try to give a message to Funcom that there is, indeed, performance troubles to the majority... If you let the illusinon that its all ok, a lot of people will leave the game for performance issue, which is very sad because this is a HELL OF A GAME and will destroy the game in long term (do not forget that WAR is coming and that cartoonish game certaintly run smoothly). So, lets be a little more constructive (which means NOT being a fanboy) and try to pass EMPIRACALLY , the truth to Funcom, because if the poll is empirical, what do you think is the opinion of the 'majority' that the Funcom has stated? Ah, thas not empircal, right?

By the way, I answered a poll of OB from funcom asking about my performance... If you are on beta you should have the same mail. What you asked then? That you cant answer because good and bad performance are empirical experiences and polls cant do that?

  Kcissem

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5/07/08 12:25:55 PM#27

Originally posted by Domenicus

In recent interview, Funcom has stated (for my surprise) that the minority is having performance issue only, and majority are ok... It has even appointed that some is having 'stellar performance'...

Unfortunatelly I am one of the minority who is not having a good performance on FPS, speciallyu on crowded small palces... Funny thing is that everyone else that I spoke is complaining about that. Well, I guess I have met all the minority that Funcom has spoken of, then... And have not meet the majority yet...

Therefore lets be VERY honest and answer this poll to see if thats truth or not, I reall y want to know if its a minority that is having performance issue or not...

If possible, please state your rig and vote when commenting.

 

(consider bad performance as being unable to play right on crowded places and bad fps, something about 10-15 fps on less crowded places with a few freezes up for caching on HD or simple 'stall').

 

Mine is a low/medium machine (2 GB, Geforce 8600 GT 512 MB and Dual Core 2) on a Win XP and I am having several performance issues.

 

Edit: Since there was the complain of someone about lacking another option, which is truth, everyone who has :

'I have a high end machine and have a good performance *ONLY* when thumb down the graphics. '

Please vote on:

'I have a high end machine and have a good performance even without thumbing down the graphics'

In that way we can still know if the performance issue is a problem of minority (assuming that someone with high end equip should have good performance) or not.

you do realize that because it was said a Minority is having issues they do not mean only 6 people are experiencing it.  out of 50,000 OB players a minority could be 10,000 players.  For instance in america African americans are considered a minority but they still are about 30% of the population in the states.  So in essence it could still mean they know quite a few players are having issue but are just stating that the majority are not.  There will always be issues with some people due to certain computer setups.  There is no way a developer can take it to account thousands of different computer configurations and make everyone happy. 

  miagisan

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5/07/08 12:29:13 PM#28

MSI K9N6PGM-F motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel 5-5-5-15, Latency 5
2x Western Digital Caviar SE 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive 8meg cache
2x ATA100 Maxtor 7200RPM HD (just use these for pictures, backup, movies, and music)
EVGA GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI
SAMSUNG 220WM Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 700:1
LG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black IDE Model
Windows XP Pro SP2 32-bit
Current drivers for all as of 4/27/08

I think thats everything

tried every tweak posted, even on low with no bloom/hdr. Game runs so inconsistently yet i more than exceed the minimum

 

  Elsabolts

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5/07/08 12:29:30 PM#29

Would you pay a monthly fee to have these issues i some how doubt it for very long.

  Domenicus

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OP  5/07/08 12:31:36 PM#30

Originally posted by CazNeerg

I have to agree with the poster that said polls don't matter.  There is far too much variety of experience, and too much variety in individual knowledge/ability in adjusting configurations, for a few generic poll options to produce any useful information.  That being said, it only costs $5.00 to get the 3-day headstart with the "real" client.  Doesn't seem like an unreasonable investment to me to pay five dollars, play for 3 days, if the performance still sucks, cancel your pre-order.  Problem solved.

You are right, poll dont matter... Its not scientific, but also the devs when they speak of 'majority is ok' and 'minority only is having problem' certainly are not scientifically right as well. However, coming from devs it becames truth instantly and the guidance for the future of the game. And thats the problem. I do think that the MAJORITY is having issue (althought I may be wrong), and if this poll do not comprove that, at least will let us know that the Funcom is more inclined to be wrong than to be right.

The problem, my friend, is not if I am good or not with the game, This seens a bit egoistic... It will solve nothing to pay 3 days, get out and thats ok, specially if EVERYONE with performance issue do that (and if the problem issue is not from a minority but from a majority). Can you see the picture? A good game, a good concept destroyed because some devs have the wrong idea of whats going on (havent you seen that movie before?). I could upgrade my machine very high and then the problem would be solved, right? But the vast majority wouldnt be playing and this could became a ghost town...

I really want this game to work, but I got myself worried when the devs told that the only a few minority is having performance issue. Thats not what I felt from inside the game, and thats not what I am feeling in this poll (althoug, you werer correct, it doesnt proof anything).

  WolfClaws

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5/07/08 12:34:41 PM#31

Nevermind,, I was going to offer my assistance to you, but it looks like you are wanting drama.

 

Good luck.

  NotNiceDino

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5/07/08 12:35:41 PM#32

Originally posted by Domenicus

 

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

 

Originally posted by Domenicus

 

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

You do realize that since you didn't give "...good performance after thumbing down the settings..." as an option that your not really asking the question in a valid way right?

By cutting out the option you didn't want to see, you skewed the results. I for instance would fit into the catagory "I have a high end PC and I get good performance after thumbing down the settings" which I suspect is true for a lot of people, and I further suspect you knew that was the case and that it would hurt your arguement, so you didn't offer it as an option.

So in essence this is just more of the same hate trolling with a inherantly biased poll thrown on top in order to make it look valid.

In fact, you are right in some point, I really forgot to put that option, but only because, in my opinion, if you have a high end computer you WILL have a good performance, however a few people with a good computer or was having a stellar performance or a bad one even thumbing down it (as you can see in the poll). I havent heard anyone with a high computer thumning down and having a good performance (strangely as it seens). If I was a 'troll', little fanboy, I wouldnt put the options of good performance on good computers. But you are right on one point, I should have put this option. But that do not invalidate the poll, because what we see, mostly (including YOUR answer) is that even high end computers are NOT working the game properly as it should, however something up to 20% is... The poll was to discover if there was a minority, as they stated, who was having performance problems (relating your rig with the requisites of the game), and as we can see, WITH YOUR OPTION INCLUDING, that this isnt truth, so far...

 

 

 

 

No, we don't see that isn't the truth, we a see a poll that you set to make it appear that way by leaving off what I expect is truth... that most players can see acceptable performance by tweaking the settings. Your poll doesn't test for that so it isn't imperical... and since it's not impirical, it's meaningless. You should have learned all this in school.

 

I just wonder in which school you learned about 'empirical (not impirical).

From wikipedia, to you : "Empirical data is data that is produced by experiment or observation.[1]."

There we have that every knowledge personally gathered is more or less empirical, thus bases itself on experience and observation (on a very personal basis), especially SENSORIAL with no innate ideas... And thats what we are asking for, the empirical knowledge gathered for every experience. The poll set in here is to see about THAT empirical experience and not to SET an empirical experience. I want to know what the people are feeling about performance, to see if the statement of Funcom is truth or not. If its not truth, we let them know that several are having this issue and its time to concentrate on it, if its not truth, move along and let the minority suffer a little bit more.

Of course it is empirical, and I tried to form a base even being empirical, some basis knowledge. OF COURSE what is good for me isnt to you, my compairsons are not like yours, however we can have a thin common ground between (again, read it and you will see me trying to set this common ground of what is good and what is bad, and asking people to go for those guidances... Nevertheless will always be empirical).

And of course its not statiscally right, on a pure scientific form, but neither is the Funcom response about 'having star performance' and a majority with no performance issue. Its not the objective of this poll to be scientific, but a BASIS as it is the statement of Funcom, exactly to relate to that.

What you forgot to point is that more than 50% of people is having bad performance in this poll... 42% have high end machine and HAVE bad performance even thumbing down... What amazes me is a fanboy who try to explain how empirical is a poll, only to SUPPORT their fanboysm.

And you know whats funny? That fanboys hurt games a LOT more than haters, in this case, specifically we can try to give a message to Funcom that there is, indeed, performance troubles to the majority... If you let the illusinon that its all ok, a lot of people will leave the game for performance issue, which is very sad because this is a HELL OF A GAME and will destroy the game in long term (do not forget that WAR is coming and that cartoonish game certaintly run smoothly). So, lets be a little more constructive (which means NOT being a fanboy) and try to pass EMPIRACALLY , the truth to Funcom, because if the poll is empirical, what do you think is the opinion of the 'majority' that the Funcom has stated? Ah, thas not empircal, right?

By the way, I answered a poll of OB from funcom asking about my performance... If you are on beta you should have the same mail. What you asked then? That you cant answer because good and bad performance are empirical experiences and polls cant do that?

I'm wasting time on the board in between data-base entries at work... don't have time to care much about spellchecking.

The fact reamins, for your poll to be significant it would have be scientifically empirical, which (even as implied by your wikipedia definition) means you'd have to control for all variables and possibilities. As you have made no allowance for a significant possibility, your results are scewed, and your test reveals no truth.

It's simple logic.

You keep claiming that this thread is diffrent than other threads on the exact same issue because you are using poll results to back you up, but I've clearly demostrated (and you've conceded) that your poll doesn't provide a valid answer for a lot of people, which makes the entire useless because you can't get a clear true picture of what people are actualy expiriencing, thus just because you added a poll to your thread, it's no diffrant than any other bad-performance related thread, even though you labelled it with a "Let's reveal the truth, I am right and everyone who doesn't agree me is wrong because I say so" title.

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OP  5/07/08 12:37:24 PM#33
Originally posted by Kcissem

 

Originally posted by Domenicus

In recent interview, Funcom has stated (for my surprise) that the minority is having performance issue only, and majority are ok... It has even appointed that some is having 'stellar performance'...

Unfortunatelly I am one of the minority who is not having a good performance on FPS, speciallyu on crowded small palces... Funny thing is that everyone else that I spoke is complaining about that. Well, I guess I have met all the minority that Funcom has spoken of, then... And have not meet the majority yet...

Therefore lets be VERY honest and answer this poll to see if thats truth or not, I reall y want to know if its a minority that is having performance issue or not...

If possible, please state your rig and vote when commenting.

 

(consider bad performance as being unable to play right on crowded places and bad fps, something about 10-15 fps on less crowded places with a few freezes up for caching on HD or simple 'stall').

 

Mine is a low/medium machine (2 GB, Geforce 8600 GT 512 MB and Dual Core 2) on a Win XP and I am having several performance issues.

 

Edit: Since there was the complain of someone about lacking another option, which is truth, everyone who has :

'I have a high end machine and have a good performance *ONLY* when thumb down the graphics. '

Please vote on:

'I have a high end machine and have a good performance even without thumbing down the graphics'

In that way we can still know if the performance issue is a problem of minority (assuming that someone with high end equip should have good performance) or not.

 

you do realize that because it was said a Minority is having issues they do not mean only 6 people are experiencing it.  out of 50,000 OB players a minority could be 10,000 players.  For instance in america African americans are considered a minority but they still are about 30% of the population in the states.  So in essence it could still mean they know quite a few players are having issue but are just stating that the majority are not.  There will always be issues with some people due to certain computer setups.  There is no way a developer can take it to account thousands of different computer configurations and make everyone happy. 

I agree with you, but I like to read between the lines.. when a dev speaks that only a minority is having performance issue that means that they are not going to give full atention to it or is far away to solve the problem, otherwise they would speak : "We know that many are having this problem and this is the number one issue on our agenda" instead using an excuse of being a minority problem. I do know that they want also this 'minority' to buy their game but or they are dead wrong and its not a minority (and then they need to wake up FAST) or they do know that its not a minority but they cant solve the thing, so they are just throwing this to save the booty (which is not.. nice...) or they are right and its only a minority problem... What I am concerned is the truth and what is behind all these...

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5/07/08 12:37:54 PM#34

Eh, I'm not going to say there aren't performance issues for the majority, because I don't have sufficient information to make that claim.  Neither is there sufficient information to say there are performance issues for the majority.  The most that can accurately be said from this poll is that the majority of people who have taken the time to click "Vote" in this particular thread are having *some* degree of performance issues.  It has been my experience that the vast majority of people who aren't having problems with something don't bother to read threads about problems, and if the level of fun is high enough for them, they don't even bother leaving the game for long enough to become aware that there are such threads. 

Also, at this point in the OB, on any of the 4 servers, the highest number of people I have seen actually complaining at any given point in time (after the first day) is 3, out of all the people who have global chat turned on.  Usually at least one of the three is a clear troll with no interest in anything but annoying people.  Could "the majority" of people who got beta keys have quit due to poor performance, and that is why they aren't present in the conversation in game? Sure, its possible, but we don't have any way of accurately measuring that. 

The problem with all these threads trying to create a "truth" to apply to the game, is that they all take a very very small slice of the beta population, make a lot of currently unprovable assumptions (positive or negative) about how the OB client relates to the "real" client, then try to apply this devil's brew of conjecture and bias to the whole game in order to paint it as either "the best game ever" or an "epic fail."  The only undebateable fact at this point is that the majority of people posting on this forum, as well as the majority of people playing in the OB, simply do not have sufficient information to be able to intelligently comment on what the quality of this game will be on the 17th.

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OP  5/07/08 12:41:32 PM#35

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

 

Originally posted by Domenicus

 

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

 

Originally posted by Domenicus

 

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

You do realize that since you didn't give "...good performance after thumbing down the settings..." as an option that your not really asking the question in a valid way right?

By cutting out the option you didn't want to see, you skewed the results. I for instance would fit into the catagory "I have a high end PC and I get good performance after thumbing down the settings" which I suspect is true for a lot of people, and I further suspect you knew that was the case and that it would hurt your arguement, so you didn't offer it as an option.

So in essence this is just more of the same hate trolling with a inherantly biased poll thrown on top in order to make it look valid.

In fact, you are right in some point, I really forgot to put that option, but only because, in my opinion, if you have a high end computer you WILL have a good performance, however a few people with a good computer or was having a stellar performance or a bad one even thumbing down it (as you can see in the poll). I havent heard anyone with a high computer thumning down and having a good performance (strangely as it seens). If I was a 'troll', little fanboy, I wouldnt put the options of good performance on good computers. But you are right on one point, I should have put this option. But that do not invalidate the poll, because what we see, mostly (including YOUR answer) is that even high end computers are NOT working the game properly as it should, however something up to 20% is... The poll was to discover if there was a minority, as they stated, who was having performance problems (relating your rig with the requisites of the game), and as we can see, WITH YOUR OPTION INCLUDING, that this isnt truth, so far...

 

 

 

 

No, we don't see that isn't the truth, we a see a poll that you set to make it appear that way by leaving off what I expect is truth... that most players can see acceptable performance by tweaking the settings. Your poll doesn't test for that so it isn't imperical... and since it's not impirical, it's meaningless. You should have learned all this in school.

 

I just wonder in which school you learned about 'empirical (not impirical).

From wikipedia, to you : "Empirical data is data that is produced by experiment or observation.[1]."

There we have that every knowledge personally gathered is more or less empirical, thus bases itself on experience and observation (on a very personal basis), especially SENSORIAL with no innate ideas... And thats what we are asking for, the empirical knowledge gathered for every experience. The poll set in here is to see about THAT empirical experience and not to SET an empirical experience. I want to know what the people are feeling about performance, to see if the statement of Funcom is truth or not. If its not truth, we let them know that several are having this issue and its time to concentrate on it, if its not truth, move along and let the minority suffer a little bit more.

Of course it is empirical, and I tried to form a base even being empirical, some basis knowledge. OF COURSE what is good for me isnt to you, my compairsons are not like yours, however we can have a thin common ground between (again, read it and you will see me trying to set this common ground of what is good and what is bad, and asking people to go for those guidances... Nevertheless will always be empirical).

And of course its not statiscally right, on a pure scientific form, but neither is the Funcom response about 'having star performance' and a majority with no performance issue. Its not the objective of this poll to be scientific, but a BASIS as it is the statement of Funcom, exactly to relate to that.

What you forgot to point is that more than 50% of people is having bad performance in this poll... 42% have high end machine and HAVE bad performance even thumbing down... What amazes me is a fanboy who try to explain how empirical is a poll, only to SUPPORT their fanboysm.

And you know whats funny? That fanboys hurt games a LOT more than haters, in this case, specifically we can try to give a message to Funcom that there is, indeed, performance troubles to the majority... If you let the illusinon that its all ok, a lot of people will leave the game for performance issue, which is very sad because this is a HELL OF A GAME and will destroy the game in long term (do not forget that WAR is coming and that cartoonish game certaintly run smoothly). So, lets be a little more constructive (which means NOT being a fanboy) and try to pass EMPIRACALLY , the truth to Funcom, because if the poll is empirical, what do you think is the opinion of the 'majority' that the Funcom has stated? Ah, thas not empircal, right?

By the way, I answered a poll of OB from funcom asking about my performance... If you are on beta you should have the same mail. What you asked then? That you cant answer because good and bad performance are empirical experiences and polls cant do that?

 

I'm wasting time on the board in between data-base entries at work... don't have time to care much about spellchecking.

The fact reamins, for your poll to be significant it would have be scientifically empirical, which (even as implied by your wikipedia definition) means you'd have to control for all variables and possibilities. As you have made no allowance for a significant possibility, your results are scewed, and your test reveals no truth.

It's simple logic.

You keep claiming that this thread is diffrent than other threads on the exact same issue because you are using poll results to back you up, but I've clearly demostrated (and you've conceded) that your poll doesn't provide a valid answer for a lot of people, which makes the entire useless because you can't get a clear true picture of what people are actualy expiriencing, thus just because you added a poll to your thread, it's no diffrant than any other bad-performance related thread, even though you labelled it with a "Let's reveal the truth, I am right and everyone who doesn't agree me is wrong because I say so" title.

The option you wanted was added, havent you seen? I reapeat: this is not something to 'destroy' the game, only to HELP it. Fanboysm DO NOT help the game, in fact it does exactly the contrary.

This thread is different only because the poll, I dont care for whinnings, just want ot have an IDEA of what's going on, but that seens to scare so much...

  NotNiceDino

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5/07/08 12:53:28 PM#36

 

Originally posted by Domenicus

 

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

 

Originally posted by Domenicus

 

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

 

Originally posted by Domenicus

 

Originally posted by NotNiceDino

You do realize that since you didn't give "...good performance after thumbing down the settings..." as an option that your not really asking the question in a valid way right?

By cutting out the option you didn't want to see, you skewed the results. I for instance would fit into the catagory "I have a high end PC and I get good performance after thumbing down the settings" which I suspect is true for a lot of people, and I further suspect you knew that was the case and that it would hurt your arguement, so you didn't offer it as an option.

So in essence this is just more of the same hate trolling with a inherantly biased poll thrown on top in order to make it look valid.

In fact, you are right in some point, I really forgot to put that option, but only because, in my opinion, if you have a high end computer you WILL have a good performance, however a few people with a good computer or was having a stellar performance or a bad one even thumbing down it (as you can see in the poll). I havent heard anyone with a high computer thumning down and having a good performance (strangely as it seens). If I was a 'troll', little fanboy, I wouldnt put the options of good performance on good computers. But you are right on one point, I should have put this option. But that do not invalidate the poll, because what we see, mostly (including YOUR answer) is that even high end computers are NOT working the game properly as it should, however something up to 20% is... The poll was to discover if there was a minority, as they stated, who was having performance problems (relating your rig with the requisites of the game), and as we can see, WITH YOUR OPTION INCLUDING, that this isnt truth, so far...

 

 

 

 

No, we don't see that isn't the truth, we a see a poll that you set to make it appear that way by leaving off what I expect is truth... that most players can see acceptable performance by tweaking the settings. Your poll doesn't test for that so it isn't imperical... and since it's not impirical, it's meaningless. You should have learned all this in school.

 

I just wonder in which school you learned about 'empirical (not impirical).

From wikipedia, to you : "Empirical data is data that is produced by experiment or observation.[1]."

There we have that every knowledge personally gathered is more or less empirical, thus bases itself on experience and observation (on a very personal basis), especially SENSORIAL with no innate ideas... And thats what we are asking for, the empirical knowledge gathered for every experience. The poll set in here is to see about THAT empirical experience and not to SET an empirical experience. I want to know what the people are feeling about performance, to see if the statement of Funcom is truth or not. If its not truth, we let them know that several are having this issue and its time to concentrate on it, if its not truth, move along and let the minority suffer a little bit more.

Of course it is empirical, and I tried to form a base even being empirical, some basis knowledge. OF COURSE what is good for me isnt to you, my compairsons are not like yours, however we can have a thin common ground between (again, read it and you will see me trying to set this common ground of what is good and what is bad, and asking people to go for those guidances... Nevertheless will always be empirical).

And of course its not statiscally right, on a pure scientific form, but neither is the Funcom response about 'having star performance' and a majority with no performance issue. Its not the objective of this poll to be scientific, but a BASIS as it is the statement of Funcom, exactly to relate to that.

What you forgot to point is that more than 50% of people is having bad performance in this poll... 42% have high end machine and HAVE bad performance even thumbing down... What amazes me is a fanboy who try to explain how empirical is a poll, only to SUPPORT their fanboysm.

And you know whats funny? That fanboys hurt games a LOT more than haters, in this case, specifically we can try to give a message to Funcom that there is, indeed, performance troubles to the majority... If you let the illusinon that its all ok, a lot of people will leave the game for performance issue, which is very sad because this is a HELL OF A GAME and will destroy the game in long term (do not forget that WAR is coming and that cartoonish game certaintly run smoothly). So, lets be a little more constructive (which means NOT being a fanboy) and try to pass EMPIRACALLY , the truth to Funcom, because if the poll is empirical, what do you think is the opinion of the 'majority' that the Funcom has stated? Ah, thas not empircal, right?

By the way, I answered a poll of OB from funcom asking about my performance... If you are on beta you should have the same mail. What you asked then? That you cant answer because good and bad performance are empirical experiences and polls cant do that?

 

I'm wasting time on the board in between data-base entries at work... don't have time to care much about spellchecking.

The fact reamins, for your poll to be significant it would have be scientifically empirical, which (even as implied by your wikipedia definition) means you'd have to control for all variables and possibilities. As you have made no allowance for a significant possibility, your results are scewed, and your test reveals no truth.

It's simple logic.

You keep claiming that this thread is diffrent than other threads on the exact same issue because you are using poll results to back you up, but I've clearly demostrated (and you've conceded) that your poll doesn't provide a valid answer for a lot of people, which makes the entire useless because you can't get a clear true picture of what people are actualy expiriencing, thus just because you added a poll to your thread, it's no diffrant than any other bad-performance related thread, even though you labelled it with a "Let's reveal the truth, I am right and everyone who doesn't agree me is wrong because I say so" title.

The option you wanted was added, havent you seen? I reapeat: this is not something to 'destroy' the game, only to HELP it. Fanboysm DO NOT help the game, in fact it does exactly the contrary.

 

This thread is different only because the poll, I dont care for whinnings, just want ot have an IDEA of what's going on, but that seens to scare so much...

 

 

Actually, it really doesn't scare me... I think your kind of missing my point, Let me put it in another way: You seem to be saying, "I don't buy this garbage that only a minority of people are having problems!" Which is COMPLETELY valid position to take, and may well be true. The problem is that that point however valid has been made, but what you have done is come out and said, "Well I'm going to prove once and for all that I am right!" and I'm only saying that you can't do that in the context you did... and you really don't need to as your point was already valid to begin with, provable or not.

Oh, and for the record, according to your poll:

43.1% report bad performance
56.9% report good performance

So technically, your poll backs up Funcom's assertion that those with problems are the minority.

Also, for the record, I will concede that I may be making an assumption about your motives in creating this thread to begin with, but it does read an awful lot like the hater threads.

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  Mehjrian

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5/07/08 12:58:21 PM#37

Well I probably shouldn't comment on this thread, but I am at work and bored. I have the beta on my desktop at home .. I just don't want to take the 4 hours it's going to take to unzip (ok probably not that long, but still) to play it. Usually doing other things.

Anyway, in regards to the poll. I think it's a good idea to do it, but I think it should be done AFTER the game is released. I know this means that you would end up buying the game, and wasting money if indeed, it is just bad performance issues.

Funcom has stated multiple times that these betas are earlier builds, and that the Gold one should be a bit better, and more optimized. Of course, this remains to be seen.

Something else you should ask the people who answer the poll: Are drivers updated completely? Sound drivers, motherboard, video card? Have you defragged lately? There are plenty of other ones, but I figured I would just point this out. Maybe it will help to dig deeper with these performance issues people are having. Good luck everyone!

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5/07/08 1:17:24 PM#38

lets not forget most people in these forums are keen gamers so a lot of them are going to have higher performance machines i have pentium dc 2.8 ghz nvidea 8800 (512) and 3 gb ram . well above what they required specs are . the beta performs horribly on my pc .i ve tried everything i know to tweak it and i can only get mild performance results . i would suggest maybe anyone who says they are getting good results with this or less are proberbly overclocking , easily pleased with reguard to how a game performs , not got to tortage yet and seen how bad it runs once your not in open ground or simply telling lies .

this is not the released version it is the beta . but if the release is anything like this the game will be a ghost town after the first month .

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5/07/08 1:25:18 PM#39

Originally posted by sandgrown

lets not forget most people in these forums are keen gamers so a lot of them are going to have higher performance machines i have pentium dc 2.8 ghz nvidea 8800 (512) and 3 gb ram . well above what they required specs are . the beta performs horribly on my pc .i ve tried everything i know to tweak it and i can only get mild performance results . i would suggest maybe anyone who says they are getting good results with this or less are proberbly overclocking , easily pleased with reguard to how a game performs , not got to tortage yet and seen how bad it runs once your not in open ground or simply telling lies .

this is not the released version it is the beta . but if the release is anything like this the game will be a ghost town after the first month .


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5/07/08 1:25:54 PM#40

Originally posted by sandgrown

lets not forget most people in these forums are keen gamers so a lot of them are going to have higher performance machines i have pentium dc 2.8 ghz nvidea 8800 (512) and 3 gb ram . well above what they required specs are . the beta performs horribly on my pc .i ve tried everything i know to tweak it and i can only get mild performance results . i would suggest maybe anyone who says they are getting good results with this or less are proberbly overclocking , easily pleased with reguard to how a game performs , not got to tortage yet and seen how bad it runs once your not in open ground or simply telling lies .

this is not the released version it is the beta . but if the release is anything like this the game will be a ghost town after the first month .

You just posted the same crap in another thread.  I will only respond with: this time.

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