General Discussion

Originally posted by Teiman

 

Dev's will start "thinking outside of the box" the day the users "think outside of the box".  There are a number of different and unique games that get few subscriptions, and a "horde" of players that play WoW because are "bandwagon" followers.

Maybe your games suck, because your users suck.

I'd excuse you if I found out you were just a bitter developer.  Either way your thinking is completely backwards.  It's the dev's job to make something great.  All they're doing now is trying to compete with blizzard and take a piece of their pie.  The players, well most of them, are screaming for something new when the dev's are just acting like hussling opportunists.  If people keep turning to wow it's because they're following someone who once thought outside the box.  Instead of seeing this and creating their own masterpiece dev's think they should just copy the successful model.  They fail because they're copying the model instead of knowing how to dig deep and get their own ideas.

Originally posted by Torak

 

Originally posted by Teiman

 

Maybe your games suck, because your users suck.

Solid point.

 

Companies only make products they know consumers will buy.

Wrong.  One company knew how to take a chance and be the first out the gate.  Warcraft was a new concept that caught on like nothing before it.  Same with diablo.  Then blizzard put their successful IP's together to create the most fun mmo to date.  Yeah some people will buy AoC but if they wanted to be notable and massively successful and not just another cookie-cutter mmo they should have made the game notable.  It's not.  They weren't true to their IP at all and had no previous success to build from.

aoc is trying new stuff , but all people do is trash it, so ye there will be many more clones

Originally posted by mccoyy

Stop making trash games...

Cant make a kick ass game for $49.99 us and $12.00 month?

Cant figure out why people keep trying new games in droves, only to go back to WOW a month later and bitch cuz all the new games dont even come close?

Make a really kick ass game and charge $79.99 for it and charge $29.99/month....Be the first dev on the block to make a premium product.

Heck..charge me $150.00 for it and $29.99/mth...just get me the hell outta WOW.....

(I prefer a MMO set in space if anyones listening, but will settle for fantasy if i have to)

Oh, and P.S. ..there wil be lots of kids who will reply to this lol'ing and /ranting about how noone would be able to afford it or if they could be willing to pay it..

DO NOT BELIEVE THEM FOR A SECOND...you will get an incredible following who will ALWAYS continue to pay for a quality product and will /applaud you for keeping away the riff raff.

Can I get an AMEN brothers?

Making a MMO has to be the stupidest thing a developer can do right now.

• If it’s too different from WoW everyone will complain and say it lacks depth.  If it’s too similar everyone will say it’s a WoW clone.
• MMO’s are a popularity contest; people go to where the people are.  So to make a successful MMO you have to be popular, to be popular you have to please everyone, pleasing everyone is going to be imposable.
• As far as pricing goes the cost of the box is not the issue.  The issue is development cost / development time / risk.  Because these game take so long to make with such a high cost you just aren’t going to see a lot of risk.  So you are either going to get a WoW clone or a low budget risk taker.  You are not going to see a high budget risk taker.  Don’t blame the devs, blame all the people that give blizzard money.

I really don’t think it’s possible to make a really popular high budget MMO other than WoW at this point.  What is possible is a really fun low budget graphics wise game.  If done right it could be popular, just not that high-end looking.  (I’m working on it just give me time).

What we as gamers game do. 
As a consumer your voice is your money.  Do not play a game if you do not like it.  Don’t settle.  If you don’t like any MMOs don’t play WoW (or any other MMO) as a last resort.  Go play a non-MMO.  If you are not playing GTA IV, Orange Box, or Rock Band right now you are missing out on some great games.

Don’t be a complainer, be a gamer.  There are plenty of great non-MMO games out there.  And if you want a really fun, pvp heavy, roleplay heavy online RPG, play a MUD.  Or go to a game store and get in on a paper RPG game.

As long as gamers settle and play half-assed MMOs we are going to continue to get crap. 

Someone thinks I'm "riff-raff" :(