'My game is better than your game, your game sucks....

*sigh*

What's up with all this non-sense? Did somebody pee in your corn flakes this morning? Why do some of you feel that you must push people away from a game that they are interested in? It's one thing to give a critique of a game from your expirience in it, it is quite another to try and make people feel bad for wanting to play it. Get a grip. Hype the game that you like, that's cool. Showing support to a company you believe in is cool. Being a dick for no reason is just juvenile. Again, since this is not the first time I have tried to post a reasonable reply on one of these threads that are started just to provoke a fight, I will mention that I am not pointing any fingers or quoting anyone, I'm just trying to inject a bit of maturity into the conversation. I've been trying for months to read through these threads to find a little info on the games, but all I keep hearing is 'This game sucks...It's going to flop...You must be a fanboi if you like this game...' What is it about the game that makes you 'want' it to fail? Or maybe more importantly, what is it about yourself that makes you want to belittle other people for wanting it to succeed?

By the way, a little off topic here but...Go to www.dewmocracy.com and help pick the next new flavor of MT Dew. My favorite is Voltage, what's yours?

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Originally posted by Krytycal
Any objective person with two brain cells and not blinded by fanboism can tell when a game is not ready for release, and AoC has all of the symptons.
Who's glad WAR was delayed? I sure as hell am.

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A blind person not blinded by warhammer-fanboisim with half a braincell should know that this game will not be anything like this on release

Originally posted by dougmysticey

Well, I am leveling my second character in AOC beta. We all know they are stress testing the severs. 50k people on only a few servers for the game. There is some lag and a known issue with zone load times but both characters have been fun!!!

Every one said that LOTRO would flop and it is not only doing well enough but has improved greatly over time (just as WOW did though people have short memories).

AOC will not flop. It is going to be a good game and stable on release. They will tweak it for the next year but it won't go the way of VG.

WAR will not flop. It will be fun too. All of these games will have different aspects that appeal to different people. I will be playing WAR too.

AOC is not going to flop and it is fun.

I hate WoW now but in beta and up till like month 3 i loved it.

LOTRO is doing good but you gotta remember lifetime subs you can't beat that.

Everyone with at least the brain of a peanut knows that Hi Res graphics and MMORPG's just don't mix.

And the bottleneck is NOT your graphics card. It's the amount of data coming from and to your CPU.

In fact 80% of most lag comes from your hard disksAND the server reactions (which controls the fights).

So unless you have 32 GB of local RAM and 20.000 RPM HD's these kind of Oblivion graphs are NOT going to happen when 10 vs 10 RANDOM people will fight in the open world of a MMORPG.

Ever wondered why there are screen "loading grahics .... " in every OFF LINE Hi Res graphics game.

Oblivion and I won't even mention the loading times of The witcher. MINUTES of loading graphics screens !

And these are OFF line games !!!

You just think you can walk into a city with 40 other (random) players on line and not have LAG.

Let alone have a "real time" combat system. It' will be a laugh at this lag rate.

Ever played a spell in Wow when there is server lag ????? This local lag is even worse with these kind of grahps.

Perhaps in 2012 when we'll have all 32 internal GByte, but until then it's laggy laggy times. And this was ALL reported by all previews on the web.... and they were testing on LAN 's !

Preload graphs kill MMORPG's unless you want to go from pre loaded instance to preload instance.

And yes they 'll do just that : 20 levels of Conan solo play with each time a preload graphic screen. As a matter of fact they expanded this part of the game.

Why do you think ??? I gave the answers above.

Originally posted by elvenangel

I think alot of you that are upset with Age of Conan need to just calm down...you only got 13 levels of play..and a hint at the pvp...thats hardly enough to make a good judgement on.  If your questioning whether to buy it wait the first month out and see what those who played the first 30 days of the game have to say. 

I'm hoping that AoC does well for those of you that were looking for something more guild vs guild / hardcore.    They just seem to be screwing the pooch with open beta.

While I respect your opinion, I personally think your wrong.  13 Levels and a hint at PvP this late in a game's development  is plenty of substance to make a good judgment of how game is going to play at release.  I can never understand people saying things like "ya gotta play to "x" to fully get into it" or "give it time, it gets better".  Folks if something doesn't grab you in someway from the start, I believe you'll be hard pressed to want to stick it out.

With that being said, it's not to say a developer can't fix or tweak certain aspects of a game but your not going to see any major overhaul of a game engine or design.

I've been in AoC beta from the start and I'm going to reserve my comments for a bit.  But I do agree with you that Funcom could of handled open beta a lot better.

Originally posted by Housam

 

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Originally posted by Krytycal
Any objective person with two brain cells and not blinded by fanboism can tell when a game is not ready for release, and AoC has all of the symptons.
Who's glad WAR was delayed? I sure as hell am.

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A blind person not blinded by warhammer-fanboisim with half a braincell should know that this game will not be anything like this on release

... oh wait, I'm being extremely sarcastic!

AoC should have been pushed back so it was a finished product, I'm tired of MMO makers thinking just because they CAN patch their game they CAN release it early.

your breakin my heart people.

I'd rather have a finished game than one that played like a free MMO made by an amature company who's only goals are to hawk their wares on an unsuspecting and trusting community.

Not saying that making MMO's isn't a business, just that i'd like to get what I'm payin for.

I'd rather play a good but buggy game that a polished boring game like wow.

I played and loved the pvp weekend even through all the bugs and the assassin/ranger 1 shotting. was way better than anyother mmo.

Originally posted by ArcheusCross

 

Originally posted by Krytycal

Any objective person with two brain cells and not blinded by fanboism can tell when a game is not ready for release, and AoC has all of the symptons.

Who's glad WAR was delayed? I sure as hell am.

 

 

You know, i was actually thinking about making a thread on this very subject myself after i read the responses to "AoC's so called open beta via file planet" thread.

All I can say is, I am soooooo glad WAR devs are taking their time to polish thier game. This will payoff in the end.

Ironically, I think most people assumed the recent AoC delays were to polish the game after seeing the fallout from Vanguard.

I would prefer a decent to mediocre but polished game to a great game full of bugs.

Matter of utility all around.

As things are going now AoC is certainly isn't polished and its quality is at best debatable.

WAR will more likely have better polish and thus less bugs due to longer development period. Not to mention the hardware demands are much lower, only few motnhs back AoC was supposed to be Vista only.

yea lets wait till im dead till this game comes out. by that time we will all have flying cars and virtual reality helmets. this game will be so outdated it wouldnt be funny.

Originally posted by Illyrian

I would prefer a decent to mediocre but polished game to a great game full of bugs.

Matter of utility all around.

As things are going now AoC is certainly isn't polished and its quality is at best debatable.

WAR will more likely have better polish and thus less bugs due to longer development period. Not to mention the hardware demands are much lower, only few motnhs back AoC was supposed to be Vista only.

why dont just just go play wow then. its mediocre and pollished. no thanks, I had more fun in the buggy aoc beta weekend that I ever did in wow.

I dont care how pollished WAR is it will be a mediocre game.

I was really looking forward to AoC (and WAR as well, I like games - period, the more good ones & options the better in my opinion- I don't need one champion game to beat the rest). I tried the AoC pvp weekend, I tried the AoC beta - I wanted this to be good. Sadly, I'm disgusted so far on so many levels.  AoC is not going to be a game I buy (shallow gameplay, shoddy performance - Vanguard beta ran better for me than this), and I'm VERY forgiving when it comes to MMOs.

I should say I am in the WAR beta (which we are allowed to admit according to NDA so don't panic), so it may be shadowing my opinion of AoC. But I'll also say that I've found myself  far more addicted to one of these games than I'd imagined possible at this stage considering how disappointing the MMO genre has been over the past few years.

Originally posted by Krytycal

Any objective person with two brain cells and not blinded by fanboism can tell when a game is not ready for release, and AoC has all of the symptons.

Who's glad WAR was delayed? I sure as hell am.

 

What exactly is going wrong for them?  I don't have any plans to play AoC but I am curious about why everyone is saying that its flopping.

Originally posted by Riho06

Clearly any game from now on with an Orc,Elf or Dwarf in it is an obvious copy of World of Warcraft.

 

Dats it!!!!  hehe ...I think people need to look a little deeper than they are...and the other thing I think is..they need to make up their own minds about these different games instead of believing gossip and or hearsay.

Sheeples....:P

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Originally posted by weg886

Went are they going to make a  mmo  where you not only fight but live in the mmo and everything is made by us?

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Someone used the "13 levels isn't enough!" angle again, didn't they?  I swear to god.....

No, I'm not going to do it again.  You are all right about EVERYTHING!  13 levels isn't enough to judge a game!  Why, we should ALL have to play a game for 3 months before enjoying it!  YES THATS IT!  3 months!  Then, if its fun, we should hail it as master over us.  There is no need to even bother THINKING about those other levels, they don't matter.  Ignorable content, perfectly suitable to pass over and hate without regard to the company because its all about the end. 

I really think some of you have lost your minds.

As for the whole "WoW 2" thing...

An MMO could only HOPE to be WoW 2.  If anything, based on game mechanics and progression, AoC is shaping up to be more like WoW than WAR anyway.  Forgive me, WoW with a handful of extra buttons to press.  I think it would be wise to not spout off with these "WoW sux" attacks when virtually every game is based loosely on the same structure.  If WoW sucks, then so does EQ, AoC, WAR, every Free to play ever made, EQ 2, Vanguard, LoTR, and Aion.  They are all doing the same crap.  Save one TINY thing...that being that WAR chose to focus more on PvP than WoW did.

 I don't mind fans from either side using intelligence behind their reason.  If you like apples, just say you like apples.  Don't go shooting off nonsense about oranges, especially when your apples are grown in the same bloody orchard.  If farmer bob sucks at picking oranges, he sucked at picking your precious apple too.

Originally posted by Battlekruse

Everyone with at least the brain of a peanut knows that Hi Res graphics and MMORPG's just don't mix.

And the bottleneck is NOT your graphics card. It's the amount of data coming from and to your CPU.

In fact 80% of most lag comes from your hard disksAND the server reactions (which controls the fights).

So unless you have 32 GB of local RAM and 20.000 RPM HD's these kind of Oblivion graphs are NOT going to happen when 10 vs 10 RANDOM people will fight in the open world of a MMORPG.

Ever wondered why there are screen "loading grahics .... " in every OFF LINE Hi Res graphics game.

Oblivion and I won't even mention the loading times of The witcher. MINUTES of loading graphics screens !

And these are OFF line games !!!

You just think you can walk into a city with 40 other (random) players on line and not have LAG.

Let alone have a "real time" combat system. It' will be a laugh at this lag rate.

Ever played a spell in Wow when there is server lag ????? This local lag is even worse with these kind of grahps.

Perhaps in 2012 when we'll have all 32 internal GByte, but until then it's laggy laggy times. And this was ALL reported by all previews on the web.... and they were testing on LAN 's !

Preload graphs kill MMORPG's unless you want to go from pre loaded instance to preload instance.

And yes they 'll do just that : 20 levels of Conan solo play with each time a preload graphic screen. As a matter of fact they expanded this part of the game.

Why do you think ??? I gave the answers above.

I think thats an ongoing problem in ANY MMO ...specifically in pvp where there are large numbers of people attacking/defending.    Frame rates drop drastically...and the person you were fighting/targetting is no longer in the spot you thought they were......

I have seen this in AO pvp, Lotro pvp, Wow pvp. Daoc pvp even original Everquest with the GM events.... and have asked the question numerous times with different "Ask the Dev" threads...but have not gotten a direct reply whether or not this...will some day in the future be possible to do without freezing up or crashing to desktop.  

Attacking Orgrimmar in Wow..back in the early days...rofl....masses of people inside and outside,  my computer just stopped completely...froze, couldn't handle all the incoming data ..or maybe it was my cable...who knows.  Couldn't log back in either...heh..but when I did I was dead...missed the whole war. :)

Massive battles would be lovely to watch and participate in...if only we were able to do that....so have to fully agree with your post. :)

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All small kids who call WAR a WOW copy shuld be happy FFS...
Who dosnt want a better looking game that does not look like teletubbies
I Clearly hate small 12 year olds on the Forums complainging about WAR
Its a good looking game with a motor that looks like WoW SO WHAT?
Its about WARHAMMER not WARCRAFT stupid kids
and warhammer universe where out long before the warcraft universe
Grow some brains and maybe some balls before talking about things you dont know

And 'Age Of Conan' OMG it is so damn boring..
The pvp are useless  It feels like dungeons and dragons 1 but you die quicker
And the Graphic is a copy of GUILDWARS only Guildwars look better
Who the hell cares if you got to push 123 to attack? ITS USELESS
The 123 is the only special thing with this game and its stupid..
And then the Build a city concept. WE havent even been availible to test that. WHY? is it because its boring?
I personally Think that will feel like crap. Since the pvp combat are LAME and BORING
So what if the PVE is nice. Its not much diferent than wow. the mobs still react the same so who the fuck cares.

Originally posted by Jeehao

All small kids who call WAR a WOW copy shuld be happy FFS...
Who dosnt want a better looking game that does not look like teletubbies
I Clearly hate small 12 year olds on the Forums complainging about WAR
Its a good looking game with a motor that looks like WoW SO WHAT?
Its about WARHAMMER not WARCRAFT stupid kids
and warhammer universe where out long before the warcraft universe
Grow some brains and maybe some balls before talking about things you dont know

And 'Age Of Conan' OMG it is so damn boring..
The pvp are useless  It feels like dungeons and dragons 1 but you die quicker
And the Graphic is a copy of GUILDWARS only Guildwars look better
Who the hell cares if you got to push 123 to attack? ITS USELESS
The 123 is the only special thing with this game and its stupid..
And then the Build a city concept. WE havent even been availible to test that. WHY? is it because its boring?
I personally Think that will feel like crap. Since the pvp combat are LAME and BORING
So what if the PVE is nice. Its not much diferent than wow. the mobs still react the same so who the fuck cares.

As far as being able to test certain areas of a closed beta game...thats entirely up to the Devs, ...sometimes they want "some" things to still be surprises upon release..OR they have internal testers working on that area..for their own specific important reasons.    I don't think that has any bearing on whether the game is "boring" or not....just choices the Devs have to make in the interests of building a good game....no matter what game it is or what Devs. :)

Been in a few closed betas myself.....closed is where alot of the important work on the game takes place....be that for the bad or the good.  hehehe

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