Originally posted by Alan0n

Originally posted by Zorvan

Man, all the people bitching and moaning saying Funcom won't drop NDA because they have something to hide, and now when Funcom drops it, they're nowhere to be seen. Amazing.

Amazing.  NDA is still not lifted.  Keep bitching.

We will hold the Closed Beta NDA for everyone but journalists until launch, but you are allowed to openly communicate about your experiences up to level 13,

The highlighted tells me expect some reviews from gaming websites the next few days.

Funcom just extended the NDA to include the 4 weeks after the game launches.

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

The first 13 levels shows more than enough. It shows combat, quests, story, class development. It is a preview, not a play everything we have for free event. People will have a good idea of whether they want to play or not from those first 13 levels. If they can't get through 13 levels, and be wanting more, they wouldn't be subscribing if you let them play to 80.

 

It is a preview, and a stress test. What they are showing is fine for that.

But hey - u fanboys will get your share of dissapointments for the endgame content =)  Cause at this point there isn't any.  So...  game is "open beta" material for the first 13 lvls.  Rest isn't up to the standard to go out to public.  And there are 3 weeks to release. 

Its sad to see ppl here defend a company that is trying to hide they are gonna be releasing not even half finished game.   And the sadest part is that ppl like u are actually showing devs this is perfectly acceptable in the MMORPG genre.

BTW -  Have you guys patched ur GTA4 yet with 1gb patch ?   Ur morons.... u really are.

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

The first 13 levels shows more than enough. It shows combat, quests, story, class development. It is a preview, not a play everything we have for free event. People will have a good idea of whether they want to play or not from those first 13 levels. If they can't get through 13 levels, and be wanting more, they wouldn't be subscribing if you let them play to 80.

 

It is a preview, and a stress test. What they are showing is fine for that.

lol -how naive are you ?   U think even if ppl get to lvl 80 in open beta they wont buy the game ?   Well... then it kinda proves a point doesn't it?   Subscription remember ... longterm gameplay....  

 

But hey - u fanboys will get your share of dissapointments for the endgame content =)  Cause at this point there isn't any.  So...  game is "open beta" material for the first 13 lvls.  Rest isn't up to the standard to go out to public.  And there are 3 weeks to release. 

Its sad to see ppl here defend a company that is trying to hide they are gonna be releasing not even half finished game.   And the sadest part is that ppl like u are actually showing devs this is perfectly acceptable in the MMORPG genre.

BTW -  Have you guys patched ur GTA4 yet with 1gb patch ?   Ur morons.... u really are.

 

GTA hasn't been different or innovative since GTA3, not to mention its an adult game marketed to teens and kids because they have the short attention span needed to actually have fun carjacking npc's. Go back to Hello Kitty Island and stay the fuck out of this thread.

Edit: Also, what MMO game has ever released its end game content for an open beta?

Originally posted by waverat81

Originally posted by Alan0n

Originally posted by Zorvan

Man, all the people bitching and moaning saying Funcom won't drop NDA because they have something to hide, and now when Funcom drops it, they're nowhere to be seen. Amazing.

Amazing.  NDA is still not lifted.  Keep bitching.

We will hold the Closed Beta NDA for everyone but journalists until launch, but you are allowed to openly communicate about your experiences up to level 13,

The highlighted tells me expect some reviews from gaming websites the next few days.

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by waverat81

Originally posted by Alan0n

Originally posted by Zorvan

Man, all the people bitching and moaning saying Funcom won't drop NDA because they have something to hide, and now when Funcom drops it, they're nowhere to be seen. Amazing.

Amazing.  NDA is still not lifted.  Keep bitching.

We will hold the Closed Beta NDA for everyone but journalists until launch, but you are allowed to openly communicate about your experiences up to level 13,

The highlighted tells me expect some reviews from gaming websites the next few days.

It also tells me that "selected" sites will be allowed to make reviews - based on something diffrent than what the beta testers are going through.   Probably those sites that have been invited for coffee with Funcom last 3 years and have made the nicest previews so far.   Go go fanboys.

 

If the Go Go fanboys comment was directed at me, you read way to much into what I posted.  I simply commented on the fact that the game will have reviews popping up in the next couple days.  Biased or not.

Originally posted by dethgar

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

The first 13 levels shows more than enough. It shows combat, quests, story, class development. It is a preview, not a play everything we have for free event. People will have a good idea of whether they want to play or not from those first 13 levels. If they can't get through 13 levels, and be wanting more, they wouldn't be subscribing if you let them play to 80.

 

It is a preview, and a stress test. What they are showing is fine for that.

lol -how naive are you ?   U think even if ppl get to lvl 80 in open beta they wont buy the game ?   Well... then it kinda proves a point doesn't it?   Subscription remember ... longterm gameplay....  

 

But hey - u fanboys will get your share of dissapointments for the endgame content =)  Cause at this point there isn't any.  So...  game is "open beta" material for the first 13 lvls.  Rest isn't up to the standard to go out to public.  And there are 3 weeks to release. 

Its sad to see ppl here defend a company that is trying to hide they are gonna be releasing not even half finished game.   And the sadest part is that ppl like u are actually showing devs this is perfectly acceptable in the MMORPG genre.

BTW -  Have you guys patched ur GTA4 yet with 1gb patch ?   Ur morons.... u really are.

 

GTA hasn't been different or innovative since GTA3, not to mention its an adult game marketed to teens and kids because they have the short attention span needed to actually have fun carjacking npc's. Go back to Hello Kitty Island and stay the fuck out of this thread.

 

Edit: Also, what MMO game has ever released its end game content for an open beta?

Again - u prove the point of what MMO players are turning into.  "Yes we are fine as long as the character can walk at launch ! "

Shut up - Realise that comments like this is affectig not just you but possibly millions of ppl that have to live with unfinished and buggy games at release.  And that includes alot of titles that wont ever stand under half of what the devs "PROMISED" at start.

Originally posted by waverat81

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by waverat81

Originally posted by Alan0n

Originally posted by Zorvan

Man, all the people bitching and moaning saying Funcom won't drop NDA because they have something to hide, and now when Funcom drops it, they're nowhere to be seen. Amazing.

Amazing.  NDA is still not lifted.  Keep bitching.

We will hold the Closed Beta NDA for everyone but journalists until launch, but you are allowed to openly communicate about your experiences up to level 13,

The highlighted tells me expect some reviews from gaming websites the next few days.

It also tells me that "selected" sites will be allowed to make reviews - based on something diffrent than what the beta testers are going through.   Probably those sites that have been invited for coffee with Funcom last 3 years and have made the nicest previews so far.   Go go fanboys.

 

If the Go Go fanboys comment was directed at me, you read way to much into what I posted.  I simply commented on the fact that the game will have reviews popping up in the next couple days.  Biased or not.

It was not directed to you.  It was directed to the journalist fanboys that funcom is now handpicking to make sure they will get the right outcome.  Ofc it will be biased.  Cause the unbiased reviwers will not even be allowed to test it.

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by dethgar

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

The first 13 levels shows more than enough. It shows combat, quests, story, class development. It is a preview, not a play everything we have for free event. People will have a good idea of whether they want to play or not from those first 13 levels. If they can't get through 13 levels, and be wanting more, they wouldn't be subscribing if you let them play to 80.

 

It is a preview, and a stress test. What they are showing is fine for that.

lol -how naive are you ?   U think even if ppl get to lvl 80 in open beta they wont buy the game ?   Well... then it kinda proves a point doesn't it?   Subscription remember ... longterm gameplay....  

 

But hey - u fanboys will get your share of dissapointments for the endgame content =)  Cause at this point there isn't any.  So...  game is "open beta" material for the first 13 lvls.  Rest isn't up to the standard to go out to public.  And there are 3 weeks to release. 

Its sad to see ppl here defend a company that is trying to hide they are gonna be releasing not even half finished game.   And the sadest part is that ppl like u are actually showing devs this is perfectly acceptable in the MMORPG genre.

BTW -  Have you guys patched ur GTA4 yet with 1gb patch ?   Ur morons.... u really are.

 

GTA hasn't been different or innovative since GTA3, not to mention its an adult game marketed to teens and kids because they have the short attention span needed to actually have fun carjacking npc's. Go back to Hello Kitty Island and stay the fuck out of this thread.

 

Edit: Also, what MMO game has ever released its end game content for an open beta?

lololololol - You do know that endgame content means right ?   Its the e n d game.   ATM Funcom is promising players something that they havn't in game.  Will it even work ?  Who knows... Noone has tested it...  

 

Again - u prove the point of what MMO players are turning into.  "Yes we are fine as long as the character can walk at launch ! "

Shut up - Realise that comments like this is affectig not just you but possibly millions of ppl that have to live with unfinished and buggy games at release.  And that includes alot of titles that wont ever stand under half of what the devs "PROMISED" at start.

You continue to jump on every AoC thread you can find to bash it with you presumptious thoughts which you like to present as facts.

Fact is: You have no idea what End-Game will be in the game when it is released. You have no idea how well it is tested. You have no idea how well it will be implemented. You don't even have an idea of what has been tested in Beta or not (and yes, I know that due to your seriously outdated supposed Beta-Info you keep spewing up).
And the best part about it? If someone calls you out on one of your blatant lies, you just step away, ignore that post and move on to the next thread or next topic to continue your bashing.

I am frankly tired of reading your posts and pointing out all the little tidbits of misinformation and doomsaying you weave into them, but on the other hand, I know that you will simply post some "lololol you faboi, naive etcetc" back at me, which coincidentally seems to be your only defense against people who post their own opinions as opposed to yours, but well, this had to get off my chest.

Enjoy your little rantings here. I for one will wait until the game is released and afterwards to point fingers. And ohhhhh, guess what, if FC does fail to deliver, I won't deny that. At least though, I will be basing my complaints on FACTS and not half-cooked assumptions.

We will hold the Closed Beta NDA for everyone but journalists until launch, but you are allowed to openly communicate about your experiences up to level 13. We still have many additions and improvements to the game prior to launch, as you will surely see by playing in the next couple of weeks. Even the early experience will improve greatly in the upcoming period, so we urge you to speak about it in public should you wish to.

The closed beta NDA, you know, the opinion of those who actually played the game and got to high enough levels to give objective reviews, will not be lifted until launch. Testers are, however, encouraged to talk about, and I'm paraphrasing here, the additions and greatly improved early experience in public. What can I say, Funcom sure knows how to keep the naysayers down. Obviously Vanguard taught everyone a lesson.

And since we can talk about it now, well, the first 13 (out of 80) levels feel like a very restrictive single player  RPG and go by extremely fast (probably not news to anyone by now).  If  you have a computer that can run NASA flight simulations and directional melee combat, two or three set paths with pretty vegatation and cheesy cut scenes are enough to sell you on a game then you deserve to lose the 50 bucks. It's still better than those who are pre-ordering blindly though.

Call me a troll if you want, but I must say that I too used to be an AoC fanboi once, check my previous posts if you wish.

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by dethgar

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

The first 13 levels shows more than enough. It shows combat, quests, story, class development. It is a preview, not a play everything we have for free event. People will have a good idea of whether they want to play or not from those first 13 levels. If they can't get through 13 levels, and be wanting more, they wouldn't be subscribing if you let them play to 80.

 

It is a preview, and a stress test. What they are showing is fine for that.

lol -how naive are you ?   U think even if ppl get to lvl 80 in open beta they wont buy the game ?   Well... then it kinda proves a point doesn't it?   Subscription remember ... longterm gameplay....  

 

But hey - u fanboys will get your share of dissapointments for the endgame content =)  Cause at this point there isn't any.  So...  game is "open beta" material for the first 13 lvls.  Rest isn't up to the standard to go out to public.  And there are 3 weeks to release. 

Its sad to see ppl here defend a company that is trying to hide they are gonna be releasing not even half finished game.   And the sadest part is that ppl like u are actually showing devs this is perfectly acceptable in the MMORPG genre.

BTW -  Have you guys patched ur GTA4 yet with 1gb patch ?   Ur morons.... u really are.

 

GTA hasn't been different or innovative since GTA3, not to mention its an adult game marketed to teens and kids because they have the short attention span needed to actually have fun carjacking npc's. Go back to Hello Kitty Island and stay the fuck out of this thread.

 

Edit: Also, what MMO game has ever released its end game content for an open beta?

lololololol - You do know that endgame content means right ?   Its the e n d game.   ATM Funcom is promising players something that they havn't in game.  Will it even work ?  Who knows... Noone has tested it...  

 

Again - u prove the point of what MMO players are turning into.  "Yes we are fine as long as the character can walk at launch ! "

Shut up - Realise that comments like this is affectig not just you but possibly millions of ppl that have to live with unfinished and buggy games at release.  And that includes alot of titles that wont ever stand under half of what the devs "PROMISED" at start.

Second, other than sieges and raids what else have they promised? PvP usually ends up being a focus of end game content other than raiding, and if you expect an MMO to have raid content available at launch then, you're retarded. The biggest dog on the market didn't even add Molten Core for 5 or 6 months after launch, people had a period of being bored with nothing to do other than an instance or two, and world pvp.

I played in the Lord of the Rings closed beta and nearly everything from 45 up wasn't in the game yet. It's not like people are pre-ordering because they're going to hit 80 in 2-3 days and be pissed that there isn't anything to do. Frankly games like WoW, LoTRO, and Everquest II tend to release content faster than your average player who isn't 40 and living in his mothers basement can keep up with. When I hit 70 the 2nd week of the BC exp, they had already announced the next pve and pvp patch and I hadn't stepped foot in Kara or Gruul, yet people on my server had cleared them already. I think people like you who bitch and moan about everything they can find are the real problem with the state of gaming in general.

To be fair the LOTRO open beta was limited to level 15 and that game had a very good launch.  It needed some love at upper levels and such, but still a good example of how to release a game.

Hearing the NDA for above level 13 will not be lifted until release is a bit disturbing.

Originally posted by Alan0n

Originally posted by waverat81

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by waverat81

Originally posted by Alan0n

Originally posted by Zorvan

Man, all the people bitching and moaning saying Funcom won't drop NDA because they have something to hide, and now when Funcom drops it, they're nowhere to be seen. Amazing.

Amazing.  NDA is still not lifted.  Keep bitching.

We will hold the Closed Beta NDA for everyone but journalists until launch, but you are allowed to openly communicate about your experiences up to level 13,

The highlighted tells me expect some reviews from gaming websites the next few days.

It also tells me that "selected" sites will be allowed to make reviews - based on something diffrent than what the beta testers are going through.   Probably those sites that have been invited for coffee with Funcom last 3 years and have made the nicest previews so far.   Go go fanboys.

 

If the Go Go fanboys comment was directed at me, you read way to much into what I posted.  I simply commented on the fact that the game will have reviews popping up in the next couple days.  Biased or not.

It was not directed to you.  It was directed to the journalist fanboys that funcom is now handpicking to make sure they will get the right outcome.  Ofc it will be biased.  Cause the unbiased reviwers will not even be allowed to test it.

So what? I mean are you really that concerned and paranoid that Funcom has something to hide. Seriously, because if you are, its time to take the tinfoil hat off. Do you not think that the first 13 levels are enough to gauge if the game will be good or bad? Hell with Vanguard, all you had to do is log in and you could tell.  Other games limited your level and they turned out okay (LOTRO being the main one).

Also there is no evidence that Funcom is picking and chosing who can post info from the media. The game has a huge following and they have lifted the NDA for ALL of them. What you are suggesting is that ALL of the media sites have been paid off by Funcom to either post only good things or keep silent. Wow, thats a huge conspiracy theory there with 1000s of people involved. Impossible? Pretty much.

Also, since you apparently haven't bothered to even READ your own posts let me repost this here:

We will hold the Closed Beta NDA for everyone but journalists until launch....

Notice the last two words "until launch". That means they will be lifting the closed beta NDA then. Yes it will be lifted and if you have any doubts just don't preorder the game. But seriously, its time to get over your little conspiracy theory-fest here. It was cute at first, now its just getting old and moronic.

Originally posted by Krytycal

[quote]We will hold the Closed Beta NDA for everyone but journalists until launch, but you are allowed to openly communicate about your experiences up to level 13. We still have many additions and improvements to the game prior to launch, as you will surely see by playing in the next couple of weeks. Even the early experience will improve greatly in the upcoming period, so we urge you to speak about it in public should you wish to.[/quote]

 

The closed beta NDA, you know, those who actually played the game and got to high enough levels to give objective reviews, will not be lifted until launch. Testers are enouraged to talk about, and I'm paraphrasing here, the additions and greatly improved early experience in public. What can I say, Funcom sure knows how to shutdown the naysayers from their open beta. Obviously Vanguard taught everyone a lesson.

 

And since we can talk about it now, well, the first 13 (out of 80) levels feel like a very restrictive single player  RPG and go by extremely fast.  If  you have a computer that can run NASA flight simulations and directional melee combat, two or three set paths with pretty vegatation and cheese cut scenes are enough to sell you on a game then you deserve to lose the 50 bucks. It's still better than those who are pre-ordering blindly though.

 

Call me a troll if you want, but I must say that I too used to be an AoC fanboi once, check my previous post if you wish.

 

 

Still, once in Tortage I can't agree with you anymore. Even in Beta I often enough found people to group with, particularly when it came to the calssical "overfilled-newbie" Zone situations where everyone and their mother was waiting for the same mob to spawn and with the amount of quests available it was hard to feel...err, packed in.

Then again, that might be personal preference. I enjoyed the story-telling style and the gameplay rather a lot, but as I have said repeatedly over the past, I don't think AoC will be for everyone in that regard. Doesn#t have to be either.

But hey, everyone's got games they will enjoy and others they won't, so there's not surprise.

Originally posted by Daffid011

To be fair the LOTRO open beta was limited to level 15 and that game had a very good launch.  It needed some love at upper levels and such, but still a good example of how to release a game.

 

Hearing the NDA for above level 13 will not be lifted until release is a bit disturbing.

 

Aye I remember that as well. It is suspicious not to release the NDA for beyond 13, but I have noticed a pattern of tight locking from a lot of publishers for various games. I remember being psyched to play Smackdown vs. Raw 2008(I like fighting, shut up) and hearing about all the features and then finding them to be completely horrible when it came to execution. Another example I have is CoD 4, I remember hearing tidbits and playing the xbox beta and thinking it would be a niche game for tactical clans, but I was wrong about that by a huge margin. Publishers and developers are hiding the good and bad of their games in order to create hype, panic, and conversation, forcing impulse buys that may or may not be regretted.

AoC is not for everyone, that's for sure.

Originally posted by Daffid011

To be fair the LOTRO open beta was limited to level 15 and that game had a very good launch.  It needed some love at upper levels and such, but still a good example of how to release a game.

 

Hearing the NDA for above level 13 will not be lifted until release is a bit disturbing.

 

13 lvls of 80

15 lvls in LOTRO got you into all diffrent starting areas of the game and the next after.

13 lvls in AOC will get you to.. the only starting area and thats it.  Its all you get. 

Like someone already said - LVLs 1-13 wont get any more linear than this =)

Originally posted by Alan0n

 

Originally posted by Zorvan

 

The first 13 levels shows more than enough. It shows combat, quests, story, class development. It is a preview, not a play everything we have for free event. People will have a good idea of whether they want to play or not from those first 13 levels. If they can't get through 13 levels, and be wanting more, they wouldn't be subscribing if you let them play to 80.

 

It is a preview, and a stress test. What they are showing is fine for that.

lol -how naive are you ?   U think even if ppl get to lvl 80 in open beta they wont buy the game ?   

 

Compare your highlighted dull-witted response to my highlighted section of my post ( which I used dual highlighters to emphasize my sentence structure for you ). If you can either not comprehend what I say  before you quote me, or intentionally plan to twist my shit around when you quote me, then don't quote me.

Open beta with NDA still in effect for all level 13+ content

Open beta with a very low level cap

Open beta that is restricted to only 50K Fileplanet subscribers

I'm still going to buy the game and try it myself but if that doesn't set off  alarm bells then you're either;

a) Not a MMORPG beta testing vet

b) A diehard AoC fanboi

This stuff is not even remotely normal for open betas

There is no conspirency theory going on from me.  Its just a fact that is staring everyone in the face.  We all know it.    Would any company hold back on content that can sell the game ?  Nope.  So there you have it. Only lvl 1-13 can sell AOC atm.  Rest is up to the Fanboy journalists to spin.

No gamers want Vanguard again - We are seeing exactly the same pattern happening with AOC that happened with Vanguard.   Testers are not only testing the game for devs - they are also testing it for the thousands or millions of players that are counting on them to let them know if game is something diffrent than the devs and media is making of it.   

Players will hopefully make their own judgment based on abit more than what Funcom is saying.  Cause if you want to learn about the history of Funcom and their MMOs then look at AO and u soon find out that FC has not much to do with players.  Its all buisness.