Originally posted by steve-irwin

As good as darkfall looks, they have a point. Seems to me they could.. with minimal effort, destory all the naysayers claims and add tons of free marketing..... why wont they??

 

Unfortunately the most simple explanation for why they don’t is they can not do so, or they do not want to.

Originally posted by Fukkfase

I will make a speculation though: In the long run, being so dubious might have gotten them more publicity than if they were 100% credible from the start.

If by dubious you mean show hardly anything and by credible you mean honestly show what state of development they are in.

Then I agree if the true state of development was/is incapable of meeting the expectations of the community that was/has been built by all the developers promises.

Then it would be in there interest to keep the truth hidden and at the same time continue to encourage and benefit from the community’s ignorant expectations based on the developers unfulfilled promises.

I don't actually think that's true, and if it was true, I don't think it's true anymore. If they did what you're proposing, and got good reviews, the hype would explode I think.

The problem is they actually require an MMO beta version that is capable of getting good reviews from professional independent members of the press.

But I agree if this level of expectation and excitement built up by the developers was to be actually demonstrated to be warranted it would have a huge effect on all the negativity and doubt.

And another thing:  "Considering they don't have a marketing department, they are probably making as much publicity as possible with as little work as possible the way they are doing things right now" actually seems much more accurate if we assume they don't have a game they will ever be able to release in a proper condition. I don't see what the point of that is, but still :D

The point of it is to maintain or increase the community’s interest and enthusiasm for as long as possible whilst working on the game to implement there promised features as part of the process of getting investors and publishers and any members of the press that are willing to give coverage without actually demonstrating the true state of the games development until they think doing so will be advantageous.

So that they eventually might be able to meet the demands and expectations of all the promises they have made.

 

I’m almost certain that they have mentioned how many members they have registered on the official forums, how many posts and hits they receive, how many people signed up for there beta’s etc. to every potential investor and publisher as part of there sales pitch.

Polarization you make great points, I think you've zeroed in on the most likely explanation anyone can make with the available information.

What really sucks is Darkfall is the only hope for a good MMO out there. Also seems to be the game whose future is most uncertain. All we have is the same old ezmode games like WAR and AOC that require minimal skill and all gear or level based crap to make the kiddies who lack skill feel good at games.

Why couldnt they be the vapors? I must ponder on this.....

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Fukkfase

I will make a speculation though: In the long run, being so dubious might have gotten them more publicity than if they were 100% credible from the start.

If by dubious you mean show hardly anything and by credible you mean honestly show what state of development they are in.

Then I agree if the true state of development was/is incapable of meeting the expectations of the community that was/has been built by all the developers promises.

Then it would be in there interest to keep the truth hidden and at the same time continue to encourage and benefit from the community’s ignorant expectations based on the developers unfulfilled promises.

I don't actually think that's true, and if it was true, I don't think it's true anymore. If they did what you're proposing, and got good reviews, the hype would explode I think.

The problem is they actually require an MMO beta version that is capable of getting good reviews from professional independent members of the press.

But I agree if this level of expectation and excitement built up by the developers was to be actually demonstrated to be warranted it would have a huge effect on all the negativity and doubt.

And another thing:  "Considering they don't have a marketing department, they are probably making as much publicity as possible with as little work as possible the way they are doing things right now" actually seems much more accurate if we assume they don't have a game they will ever be able to release in a proper condition. I don't see what the point of that is, but still :D

The point of it is to maintain or increase the community’s interest and enthusiasm for as long as possible whilst working on the game to implement there promised features as part of the process of getting investors and publishers and any members of the press that are willing to give coverage without actually demonstrating the true state of the games development until they think doing so will be advantageous.

So that they eventually might be able to meet the demands and expectations of all the promises they have made.

 

I’m almost certain that they have mentioned how many members they have registered on the official forums, how many posts and hits they receive, how many people signed up for there beta’s etc. to every potential investor and publisher as part of there sales pitch.

 

You show and present  a business mechanism that is common as unusual and to be doubted.

It could be possible but  not necessary true. You just   interpret  always  the worst case  to the account of  DF.

And if all  were the way  you describe it  what would be the real  loss for anyone here ?

Noone has lost anything what he not willingly put into. No real money,  no  contractually-guaranteed  online time .

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Noone has lost anything what he not willingly put into. No real money,  no  contractually-guaranteed  online time .

 

I've lost time.

Time = money.

but I'm pretty sure it's going to deliver, gotta be one of the biggest failure in history if it did not. Not to mention Tasos, Claus or Kjeil (sp?) and many other's names would be known as bullshit, and that is not really smart from them if they really have nothing.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

 

Originally posted by Polarization

Originally posted by Fukkfase

I will make a speculation though: In the long run, being so dubious might have gotten them more publicity than if they were 100% credible from the start.

If by dubious you mean show hardly anything and by credible you mean honestly show what state of development they are in.

Then I agree if the true state of development was/is incapable of meeting the expectations of the community that was/has been built by all the developers promises.

Then it would be in there interest to keep the truth hidden and at the same time continue to encourage and benefit from the community’s ignorant expectations based on the developers unfulfilled promises.

I don't actually think that's true, and if it was true, I don't think it's true anymore. If they did what you're proposing, and got good reviews, the hype would explode I think.

The problem is they actually require an MMO beta version that is capable of getting good reviews from professional independent members of the press.

But I agree if this level of expectation and excitement built up by the developers was to be actually demonstrated to be warranted it would have a huge effect on all the negativity and doubt.

And another thing:  "Considering they don't have a marketing department, they are probably making as much publicity as possible with as little work as possible the way they are doing things right now" actually seems much more accurate if we assume they don't have a game they will ever be able to release in a proper condition. I don't see what the point of that is, but still :D

The point of it is to maintain or increase the community’s interest and enthusiasm for as long as possible whilst working on the game to implement there promised features as part of the process of getting investors and publishers and any members of the press that are willing to give coverage without actually demonstrating the true state of the games development until they think doing so will be advantageous.

So that they eventually might be able to meet the demands and expectations of all the promises they have made.

 

I’m almost certain that they have mentioned how many members they have registered on the official forums, how many posts and hits they receive, how many people signed up for there beta’s etc. to every potential investor and publisher as part of there sales pitch.

 

You show and present  a business mechanism that is common as unusual and to be doubted.

 

It could be possible but  not necessary true. You just   interpret  always  the worst case  to the account of  DF.

And if all  were the way  you describe it  what would be the real  loss for anyone here ?

Noone has lost anything what he not willingly put into. No real money,  no  contractually-guaranteed  online time .

 

Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.

Originally posted by mike470

Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.

Well to my knowledge  it isn't required or enforced by  Aventurine  to do so for to follow DF.

These people  have the freedom to donate.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

 

Originally posted by mike470

Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.

 

Well to my knowledge  it isn't required or enforced by  Aventurine  to do so for to follow DF.

These people  have the freedom to donate.

Well that's not what you said.  You say no one loses money from Darkfall if it's not released.  Well people do lose money, so I could care less if they have the freedom to donate, they still are giving money.

It's not like Darkfall is saying "please! don't give us money!!"

Originally posted by mike470

 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

 

Originally posted by mike470

Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.

 

Well to my knowledge  it isn't required or enforced by  Aventurine  to do so for to follow DF.

These people  have the freedom to donate.

 

Well that's not what you said.  You say no one loses money from Darkfall if it's not released.  Well people do lose money, so I could care less if they have the freedom to donate, they still are giving money.

It's not like Darkfall is saying "please! don't give us money!!"

 well and you should know that donations never  count as loss.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by mike470

 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

 

Originally posted by mike470

Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.

 

Well to my knowledge  it isn't required or enforced by  Aventurine  to do so for to follow DF.

These people  have the freedom to donate.

 

Well that's not what you said.  You say no one loses money from Darkfall if it's not released.  Well people do lose money, so I could care less if they have the freedom to donate, they still are giving money.

It's not like Darkfall is saying "please! don't give us money!!"

 well and you should know that donations never  count as loss.

.....Not really.  I'm pretty sure that if the donating leads to nothing, then it's a loss.

Originally posted by mike470

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by mike470

 

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

 

Originally posted by mike470

Actually, some people have donated to the development of Darkfall.

 

Well to my knowledge  it isn't required or enforced by  Aventurine  to do so for to follow DF.

These people  have the freedom to donate.

 

Well that's not what you said.  You say no one loses money from Darkfall if it's not released.  Well people do lose money, so I could care less if they have the freedom to donate, they still are giving money.

It's not like Darkfall is saying "please! don't give us money!!"

 well and you should know that donations never  count as loss.

.....Not really.  I'm pretty sure that if the donating leads to nothing, then it's a loss.