EVE Online

Originally posted by Garkan

 

Originally posted by hrobertson

I agree with the OP.

Im not a carebare.. I dont want to have it easy.. I dont want to be wrapped in cotton wool. But thats not to say I think its ok for retards like mercader to gank people that have done nothing wrong. I think it should be more of a reflection of a real society.

I know its just a game but it costs people their subscription and people spend a lot of time and effort to get to where they are.

Would you do that in real life? Kill someone for fun? You know in RL they lock people up for that. Or maybe killing is a bit extreme. So would you burn someone's house down? Or torch someone's car? They have worked hard to get that.. they've put in time and money. They would lock people up for that too. Its called socially unacceptable.

Natttas.. where are you from?!?! Yes society is degrading but it hasnt reached the stage yet where its socially acceptable to burn someones house or torch their car.

If your reason for killing them is not that you like to cause pain but 'for fun'? 'for excitement'? Where is the excitement in ganking some defenceless miner? The excitement of escaping from concord? In that case, why not go and attack an NPC ship?

Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the players that gank randomly for the fun of inflicting suffering have something wrong with them. Maybe they were abused or seriously bullied at school or something.

Re-read what you post and try to see how this crap sounds, you are basically accusing gamers who play a game as intended of being frothing maniacs. In my experience of EVE it is not the pirates or pvpers that are maladjusted its the carebears.

 

Kill a carebear in game and they talk crap and threaten you IRL they make sexual innuendos about your family or recommended methods of committing suicide all because you blew up their internet spaceship. So which is worse playing a game within its designed mechanics or subjecting somebody to a torrent of threats and abuse? It seems a lot more likely to me that those carebears are the ones with issues separating in game activity with real life.

To be honest it's your reply that sounds crappy. RL threaths and things that you say carebears do are against the rules and would result in a quick ban if petitioned for harrassment. To say that this is the standard practice of carebears is simply bullshit, you are out of touch, that things happen in your phantasy but not in game.

Your hate against carebears can be explained with jealosy, they have stuff that you will never own, so you think you must ruin their gameplay.   And the anger in game is not even because of highsec-griefing itself. It's because it can be done almost for free with current ship prices and the insurance mechanics. Grief others at basically no cost.  Usually this is done by 13 year old retards who don't stand a chance in pvp, against ships that are fitted for pvp, so they have to blow up a mining ship which can't shoot back, to have their daily dosis of success and to feel "l33t".

Back to topic: it's not my intention to give the game a bad rep. It's still the best MMO out there, and all that anger would not happen if there wasn't a harsh "death penalty" which adds a lot to the thrill of the game. Only those to who the game means something, will have any emotions about it at all (be it bad or good ones).Other than in many other mmos, in EvE someone can have a certain power over others (very limited, but since they can affect them emotionally they have a certain power) - and it is like in rl - not everyone can handle power. 

It's just like someone way above said, the degeneration of society causes a lots of bastards that see their purpose of life to in harming others  - and since in real life they are restricted to do so by law and law enforcement, they look for games like eve where they can do just that - harass and grief others for fun, even if they don't gain anything else than that griefing expirience.

I dont know why everyone is bitching about this.  CCP has stated several times that griefing new players is a no-no and if you see it happening then you need to petition it.  As for empire ganking, its few and far between.  Eve is big and the systems that empire gankers hang out in are just a handful compaired to the rest of Eve.  Its very easy to stay way from these systems and live your Eve life in peace. 

Originally posted by Wagrof

 

Originally posted by Garkan

 

Originally posted by hrobertson

I agree with the OP.

Im not a carebare.. I dont want to have it easy.. I dont want to be wrapped in cotton wool. But thats not to say I think its ok for retards like mercader to gank people that have done nothing wrong. I think it should be more of a reflection of a real society.

I know its just a game but it costs people their subscription and people spend a lot of time and effort to get to where they are.

Would you do that in real life? Kill someone for fun? You know in RL they lock people up for that. Or maybe killing is a bit extreme. So would you burn someone's house down? Or torch someone's car? They have worked hard to get that.. they've put in time and money. They would lock people up for that too. Its called socially unacceptable.

Natttas.. where are you from?!?! Yes society is degrading but it hasnt reached the stage yet where its socially acceptable to burn someones house or torch their car.

If your reason for killing them is not that you like to cause pain but 'for fun'? 'for excitement'? Where is the excitement in ganking some defenceless miner? The excitement of escaping from concord? In that case, why not go and attack an NPC ship?

Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the players that gank randomly for the fun of inflicting suffering have something wrong with them. Maybe they were abused or seriously bullied at school or something.

Re-read what you post and try to see how this crap sounds, you are basically accusing gamers who play a game as intended of being frothing maniacs. In my experience of EVE it is not the pirates or pvpers that are maladjusted its the carebears.

 

Kill a carebear in game and they talk crap and threaten you IRL they make sexual innuendos about your family or recommended methods of committing suicide all because you blew up their internet spaceship. So which is worse playing a game within its designed mechanics or subjecting somebody to a torrent of threats and abuse? It seems a lot more likely to me that those carebears are the ones with issues separating in game activity with real life.

 

To be honest it's your reply that sounds crappy. RL threaths and things that you say carebears do are against the rules and would result in a quick ban if petitioned for harrassment. To say that this is the standard practice of carebears is simply bullshit, you are out of touch, that things happen in your phantasy but not in game.

Your hate against carebears can be explained with jealosy, they have stuff that you will never own, so you think you must ruin their gameplay.   And the anger in game is not even because of highsec-griefing itself. It's because it can be done almost for free with current ship prices and the insurance mechanics. Grief others at basically no cost.  Usually this is done by 13 year old retards who don't stand a chance in pvp, against ships that are fitted for pvp, so they have to blow up a mining ship which can't shoot back, to have their daily dosis of success and to feel "l33t".

 

Back to topic: it's not my intention to give the game a bad rep. It's still the best MMO out there, and all that anger would not happen if there wasn't a harsh "death penalty" which adds a lot to the thrill of the game. Only those to who the game means something, will have any emotions about it at all (be it bad or good ones).Other than in many other mmos, in EvE someone can have a certain power over others (very limited, but since they can affect them emotionally they have a certain power) - and it is like in rl - not everyone can handle power. 

It's just like someone way above said, the degeneration of society causes a lots of bastards that see their purpose of life to in harming others  - and since in real life they are restricted to do so by law and law enforcement, they look for games like eve where they can do just that - harass and grief others for fun, even if they don't gain anything else than that griefing expirience.

Posting assumptions is never a good idea, I live in 0.0 and 99% of my fights are against pvp fitted ships, as for stuff I would never own I have had and thrown away most of the stuff carebears treasure as well as supplying them with their dream faction mods for their CNRs, and your reference to the value of E-peen items reveals you to be a carebear yourself and you persist in being unable to separate activities in game from real life as you are adamant that people who kill pixels are wrong in the head IRL.

Further more your smack directed at me illustrates my point that the carebears are the ones full of anger and hatred probably born out of inadequacy in game because they feel their E-peen doesn't size up and they are unable to see that E-peen does not matter.

And as for being "out of touch" I'm not the one that just posted on these forums going "OMFG there is unconsentual pvp in EVE"

Wow... It's always fun to watch how quickly these conversations degrade to, If you don't like it, you don't get it and must be stupid.

Some people like pvp, others don't, but all the anger in here really does prove the point. 

Originally posted by chrisleko

Wow... It's always fun to watch how quickly these conversations degrade to, If you don't like it, you don't get it and must be stupid.

Some people like pvp, others don't, but all the anger in here really does prove the point. 

Dude I couldn't agree more and I do genuinley respect other playstyles but the carebears are continually calling people  sociopaths because of what happens in a game because they cannot separate their internet spaceships from RL.

This thread is apparently torn between two sides: the "it's just a game, play for fun or GTFO"  crowd and the "Internet bullying is not cool" crowd.

They both have valid arguments.

Carebears say, "It's too harsh, the game has gone downhill; it's not fun anymore."

Counter: "People still play it because it's fun for them. In your opinion EVE may have degraded, but others enjoy it just the same. Things change, so adapt or quit. If you don't like the way the game is, then just leave and stop complaining."

Basis of counter: the individual being countered is assumed to be a carebear / newbie or have only a few months or less of total skill and play-time. The countering individual has a multi-year veteran or a relatively new account and enjoys the way the game is going. They wish to continue doing what they enjoy.

Pirates say, "It's just a game, stop whining. I adapted, so if you can't then GTFO."

Counter: "Bullying is bullying whether it's in reality or on the internet, and doing so in a community-based game is just as negative as in real life. After playing the game for a long while and finally getting enough money for something cool... only to have all that effort lost in an instant by some malicious players is very troubling. The loss is a great time investment when you gank and exploit the rules. It is a big deal."

Basis of counter: the Individual being countered is assumed to be notorious pirate who likes to grief players in high-security space and insult people in chat. The countering individual is a multi-year veteran who enjoyed the game more before rules were changed / exploited. They wish to preserve their investment.

One side wants to play for fun and is detached from anything negative that goes on in the game (playing it like a game). The other side sees it as a digital world where time investment and social interaction means as much as it does in reality (living it like an alternate reality).

They're opposite and equally correct.

So pick sides and bark and piss at each other if you must, but you know it will never end.

Originally posted by Baxslash

Ky. I disagree, Eve has gotten far more brutal of late, I have to agree with the OP.

And, yes, you can check me out ingame, I'm still playing, and, a 4 year player.

But, as I said, the game has become far more brutal, 2 years ago, you had a few hundred ore thiefs, while today, the number of loot/salvage/ore thieves has boomed to a few thousand, not only that, the number of smacktards has also increased.

People have certainly taken some of thier darkest mindsets into the game, I know from a conversation last night alone that about 6 or 7 were ganging up on 1 player, all because his "gear' wasn't adequate to play Eve.

I know of even 1 Corp. that has actually called a few 'Girl' gamers whores, and bitches, to get off Eve and back into the kitchen and bedrooms for thier men.

So, just from those few snippets, I've seen the lack of mannerism has indeed slipped in eve, no wonder the Devs/GMs have even taken a few liberties themselves. And, as for just saying its the Goonswarms mindset that, its fun to grief the new players, or, 'Carebears', trust me, its all the big alliances that are doing, all because they feel its Thier game, and, that ppl must play it the way they want you to play it :(

Well, I've only been playing for a little less than a year, so perhaps I have no frame of reference. I know those things happen in EVE, I just haven't experienced them to any great degree.  Luck? Perhaps, or maybe I'm just a little smarter than the "average bear". 

As for all the major alliances griefing,. again thats not something I've run into.  I've been a member of FREGE, IVC, IRON, and now IRC and none of them exhibited that sort of behavior.  (though I've flown with Goons as part of an allied fleet and its can be a challenging situation)

I don't doubt that many corps are like that, I'm just saying you can easily avoid them if you try a bit.

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Originally posted by jmwiens
I could not agree more with the original poster.  I've played this game on and off for 4'ish years.  The game play, graphics, and depth are truely awesome.  The community, however, is filled with vicious, cruel, gang-like thugs.  Not everybody is like this but there are enough to ruin the experience for the majority of us.
Look at the World of Warcraft community for the stats.  How many people prefer to play on their PvP servers?  Not many.  The majority of people don't enjoy non-consenual PvP.  CCP is a good company but they don't seem to get this fact.  They actually encourage this type of behavior inspite of the fact that the majority of Eve players who quit, quit for this very reason.
I know what the typical Eve response would be to this post.  Don't play the game then!  Well that's just a shame.  I WANT to play Eve.  I love the game and every aspect of it except the thugs who justify their behavior as "it's just part of the game!".
I'm all for risk in the game.  I don't mind if a pirate corners me and demands my cargo or ransoms me.  Unfortunately it's devolved way beyond that.  Now they kill you because they're bored.  Then they pod you because they can.  The game has become a haven for people like that...

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In WoW there are more PvP servers then PvE servers ( and thus more PvP players ), it has been like this since release. Please get your facts straight.

Greetz