Star Wars Galaxies

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Thunderous

Torak, I'm not insulting you, unless me saying you play Lineage II is an insult.  IF you do enjoy that game it means you must not mind extensive grinding...

That shouldn't be insulting to you.   : )

LoL, I did play L2 for about a year and you do need to brain damaged to grind like that....sort of reminded me of Bol grinding.

Haha!  I knew it!   : )

lol only 144,000 more quankers and I will be full template..

CURB before JTL

"Ebonfire, I have something every important to speak with you about"..... ahh go away old man!

lol I really miss that piece of trash, landing at the Mining Outpost and killing everything in my path to the Pirate Outpost.  It really was your saga living out every time you logged in.  I could tolerate the NGE at time, but snappy movement and fast action combat really killed it for me.  They removed spice because apparently everyone was on it by default. 

Bol grind was not so bad.. I like pikets better though.

When i played SWG i was left wondering what it was like b4 all the changes. The game to me wasnt that good and I played it 2-3 days.  I wasnt impressed.

Sadly i really believe they need to totally remake this game. Star wars is one of the greatest Sci-Fi series of all time and needs a game to reflect it. REDO THIS GAME!!!!!!!!!!!

George you have the money!! Make it happen!!!!! LOL!

Originally posted by Thunderous

 

Faction grind?  If you wanted pets you had to be a "Creature Handler" or a "BioEngineer"...  You clearly didn't understand the game you were playing.

Never heard of faction pets for pvp? I guess "You clearly didn't understand the game you were playing.", Though I suppose I could have been more specific.

Generally crafters are a minority, and SWG was totally geared toward them. Since most mmorpg players are more adventurers than crafters,  its kinda tough for these games to succeed. Look at Horizons for example.

Originally posted by Sam123jo0123

It's so bad because they havn't tried it in 3 years ;)

I don't know where you're getting this three year number from but it's not true.

Originally posted by Daffid011

By the time they introduced holocrons the design team had lost all focus on the game and went into complete damage prevention mode.   

Yeah, the holocron grind was utterly terrible and completely devoid of imagination.  Your other points are spot on, as are many of the other posts.  They go to show that swg just had so many good core design features that it takes a small book to list them.  Comparing what they did right and what they did wrong would require more time and effort then any paper I ever wrote in graduate school.  :)

Originally posted by Krayzjoel

When i played SWG i was left wondering what it was like b4 all the changes. The game to me wasnt that good and I played it 2-3 days.  I wasnt impressed.

Sadly i really believe they need to totally remake this game. Star wars is one of the greatest Sci-Fi series of all time and needs a game to reflect it. REDO THIS GAME!!!!!!!!!!!

George you have the money!! Make it happen!!!!! LOL!

I'm sure a new star wars mmo will be developed at some point in the near future.  The real question is how will they design the game?  Will it be more wowish (or eqish if you prefer) from the ground up?  Or will they try out the sandbox design again?  Some people argue that the sandbox model should never have been used for star wars in the first place, and despite my love of the sandbox I find it hard to disagree with them.  After all, star wars is all about action, and playing uncle owen (or even worse relying on uncle owen to craft your weapons) simply doesn't hold appeal to the massive amount of younger gamers out there.  If I were a betting man, I'd say the smart money goes on a wowish development without the need to work around the existing sandbox structure.

The whole premise was a joke. How many people thought, wow I wish I lived in the Star Wars universe so I can craft medical kits or shirts? I mean WTF? Turning a great adventure movie into a crafting game. Fun!

The strength of the crafting system was that not everyone needed to craft and in fact a very small amount of people could meet large demands.  I'm have no issue with being a blood and guts murdering machine in most MMOs, but I was hooked by the crafting in SWG.  Yes I enjoyed baking bread and making teas for people.  Also nothing says humiliation like getting killed by someone with <Master Chef> above their head.

The point is that some people enjoyed it and others reaped the benefits of those efforts.  A very well rounded relationship, except the game was never balanced between crafted vs looted rewards. 

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Thunderous

Torak, I'm not insulting you, unless me saying you play Lineage II is an insult.  IF you do enjoy that game it means you must not mind extensive grinding...

That shouldn't be insulting to you.   : )

LoL, I did play L2 for about a year and you do need to brain damaged to grind like that....sort of reminded me of Bol grinding.

I actually enjoyed grinding my Jedi with my guildies, even though it was grinding.  In part, it was having people to grind with, in part it was becasue the skins were asthetically pleasing to me, in part it was because there was no reheated Tolkienesque nonsense going on.

I really like the idea of "living a life in the Star Wars universe", even if that meant being Uncle Owen.

"Deraphing" SWG was the most moronic thing that SOE ever did.  Koster isn't perfect, but by gosh, the design was brilliant.  The problem was the MBA asshats wanted ROI now, and were not willing to let the game be fully developed, debugged, balanced, and polished.