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ArcAngel3 4/29/08 9:51:52 PM
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Joined: 9/25/06
"I am altering the deal, pray I don''t alter it any further." (summary of SWG) |
Here's what customers were told when the Trials of ObiWan expansion was being marketted during an Oct. 19, 2005 dev chat: Oct. 19, 2005 "Sprite - *TKM-Starsider* There appeared to be no testing of CL70+ creatures for MCH during Beta. Will testing be opened on the regular TC anytime soon?
SpaceRancor - *TKM-Starsider* We did do some heavy internal testing on them throughout the design process and beta. The ability to tame this high level pets will be available on the 25th when Mustafar is opened to players who preordered. Sprite - *cyte* question will creature handlers that are able to tame up to a lvl 80 pet be able to choose to have 2 pets that equal lvl 80 instead of 1 lvl 80 pet
SpaceRancor - *cyte* Yes. Creature Handlers will be able to use up to 80 levels of pets when they achieve that ability. " Here's what customers were then told immediately after they purchased the expansion and any subscription time needed to actually play it. Remember, "Please Note: Original Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided™ is required to play this expansion along with a Station account in good standing and a valid, active Star Wars Galaxies subscription." (from the ad for ToOW currently on the SWG website):
Nov. 16, 2005
Brekkee - *Phaelyn* It's been noticed that properly trained CL 10 pets can still fight alongside their owner, and that babies still spawn. Is this an indication that we may see Creature Handler return in the near future? In summary, the Oct dev chat appears to entice people to purchase the expansion and needed sub time to enjoy features that will allegedly be available to creature handlers. The Nov dev chat clearly indicates that creature handlers have all in fact been deleted from the game. Absolutely no mention of this pending deletion was mentioned during the dev chat prior to the sale. Also, the current ad for ToOW on the SWG site says that there will be new creatures to tame on Mustafar. Once again, absolutely no mention is made of the pending deletion of the profession. Limited refunds of the expansion were offered by SOE, apparently under duress. However, no refunds for the necessary subscription time were ever offered to my knowledge, despite requests from disillusioned players. What do you make of that? This is what I make of it, quoting the Criminal Code: 361. (1) A false pretence is a representation of a matter of fact either present or past, made by words or otherwise, that is known by the person who makes it to be false and that is made with a fraudulent intent to induce the person to whom it is made to act on it. and, 380. (1) Every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretence within the meaning of this Act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service, (a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a term of imprisonment not exceeding fourteen years, where the subject-matter of the offence is a testamentary instrument or the value of the subject-matter of the offence exceeds five thousand dollars; or (b) is guilty (i) of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or (ii) of an offence punishable on summary conviction, where the value of the subject-matter of the offence does not exceed five thousand dollars." What are your thoughts? |
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charlizd 4/29/08 9:58:40 PM
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Hard Core Member
Joined: 2/07/07
Live Life today, Because tomorrow is but a dream and yesterday only a |
im gonna go play LoTRO :) that's my thoughts Jk i think that it sux that they can get away with it but seriously what can we do about it? it is done and i doubt that enough ppl would rally up the courage to fight for what is right. |
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RelCenturica 4/29/08 10:00:26 PM
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Joined: 9/19/04 |
We all know what SOE did was wrong through and through... but what can one do? Their legions of lawyers would deflect any lawsuit anyone throws at them. Here's to remembering what this company did to their customers, and that we shall not contribute to their wallets any longer. |
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iwantmyswg 4/29/08 10:44:31 PM
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Joined: 8/19/07 |
that is all $OE knows how to do to lie and mislead everyone into playing swg nge. i hope they get shutdown and their fanbois go back to their mindless fps titles |
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salvaje 4/30/08 6:52:10 AM
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Joined: 10/01/07 |
That's less than 20 days before the NGE announcement. Unless they started and developed the whole NGE within those 20 days, this is absolute open and shut case evidence of fraud on the part of SOE and LEC.
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| Visit my blog at: I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com Experience for yourself a combat system that doesn't work, a broken UI... |
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fozzie22 4/30/08 7:09:45 AM
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Joined: 5/05/05 |
Originally posted by salvaje Given the state of the NGE when it went live 20 days sounds about right dev time :) |
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salvaje 4/30/08 7:17:10 AM
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Joined: 10/01/07 |
Originally posted by fozzie22 Yeah, but even that pre-alpha crap took way longer than 20 days :) Thinking back to how the NGE was out of the gate... man... It truly was horrible, even compared to the still bad state of it today. Lots of weapons didn't work, most abilities wouldn't fire, my Jedi went from alpha class to alpha CHUMP because he had NO ARMOR OR DEFENSES... Truly, truly horrid. No way in hell that was an acceptable "enhancement" to an existing 2.5 year old live game even if you accept that they had the right to make such massive changes. The NGE was pre-pre alpha at the most. |
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| Visit my blog at: I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com Experience for yourself a combat system that doesn't work, a broken UI... |
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CujoSWAoA 4/30/08 7:22:33 AM
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Joined: 10/27/04 |
Isn't it common knowledge that LucasArts made the NGE and forced it onto the team at SOE? Wasn't it like a month before the New Game Enhancements that the SWG team at SOE released the huge update to Squad Leaders that they were very proud of? Then LucasArts gave out Order 66 to the old SWG? Either way, fuck this game... it was trash when it launched and trash now. |
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salvaje 4/30/08 7:27:25 AM
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Joined: 10/01/07 |
Originally posted by CujoSWAoA
The NGE was totally of SOE's invention, Freeman and Cao's, specifically. LEC did not force it upon them, though they did agree to let them do it. Which makes them just as guilty and as incompetent as SOE was.
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| Visit my blog at: I encourage everyone who doubts the word of those who reject the NGE to try it for themselves. http://tryswg.com Experience for yourself a combat system that doesn't work, a broken UI... |
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Fishermage 4/30/08 10:45:32 AM
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