Originally posted by Kairarr

Sure im an a AoC fanboy because i believe this game is a hoax.

Well its better to wait for a game that might be as good as Darkfall then play a game like Age of Conan we already know is shit.=)

/signed.

Originally posted by botagar

 

Originally posted by Mazuma

 

Originally posted by botagar

RazorWax have been to a gaming convention before, and found it a waste of time.

 

Gee I wonder why?

Ya well when you show up to a gaming convention and forget to bring along your game to show anyone then it's probably going to end up being a waste of time.

 Personally I find your entire post to be a big waste of time filled with the same delusional blind faith fanboi nonsense I could read from people like Aragon.

Originally posted by botagar

Also, with a forum base of over 50,000 accounts, it seems word of mouth will suite them quite fine for now.

Too bad it took them all of 7 years to get 50,000 people registered there. Maybe in another 10 years they'll have another 50,000?

well... it seems trying to remain objective is impossible on these forums due to immature AoC fanbois. I would reply to your questions/statements but your attitude stinks so i wont bother.

 

btw, i have not seen a SINGLE attack AoC from DF, and believe me we do have amunition...

stupid AoC kiddies...

You say he is immature, yet when he brings up points you can't (or are just too scared) to adress, you make attacks on him saying he is an AoC fanboy.  HA, and he's immature? Your attitude is no better.

Originally posted by Aragon100

 

So you had no response to me then that Darkfall of today been under development for 5 years summer 2008?=) Guess you had nothing to back youre own false statements with. I can back it though so please be my guest and back youre lies if you can.=)

I find your posts to be pretty nauseating and it's hard for me to read them, to make any sense out of the mess of smilies and poorly constructed accusations. Posts like yours remind me of how parents just don't seem to do their jobs anymore. Sorry, but it had to be said.

Back to Darkfall, whether it is five years or eight, it is not likely to succeed due to that age. I already brought up the fact that there are few games that spend that amount of time in development to still be published, much less succeed. The engine is too old, and there is now a new OS.

Originally posted by Aragon100

 

Originally posted by Kairarr

Sure im an a AoC fanboy because i believe this game is a hoax.

 

Well its better to wait for a game that might be as good as Darkfall then play a game like Age of Conan we already know is shit.=)

And we know that how?

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Originally posted by Zorvan

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Originally posted by Aragon100

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Originally posted by Kairarr

Sure im an a AoC fanboy because i believe this game is a hoax.

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Well its better to wait for a game that might be as good as Darkfall then play a game like Age of Conan we already know is shit.=)

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And we know that how?

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Originally posted by Gazenthia

Originally posted by Aragon100

 

So you had no response to me then that Darkfall of today been under development for 5 years summer 2008?=) Guess you had nothing to back youre own false statements with. I can back it though so please be my guest and back youre lies if you can.=)

I find your posts to be pretty nauseating and it's hard for me to read them, to make any sense out of the mess of smilies and poorly constructed accusations. Posts like yours remind me of how parents just don't seem to do their jobs anymore. Sorry, but it had to be said.

Back to Darkfall, whether it is five years or eight, it is not likely to succeed due to that age. I already brought up the fact that there are few games that spend that amount of time in development to still be published, much less succeed. The engine is too old, and there is now a new OS.

So youre starting to get unsecure now about the length of developing Darkfall been in? Thats a progress. You were wrong and it would have been even better if you just admitted it but i guess i have to settle for unsecure at the moment. =)

5 year of a game of Darkfalls caliber isnt long at all and understand that the company developing Darkfall isnt same size as Blizzard, theyre way smaller. Most MMORPG:s have long development times so why shouldnt Darkfall have that? Youre just not making any sense.

Graphics of Darkfall is better then AoC if youd ask me, i love the gothic, dark and realistic style of Darkfall graphics. Its less polygons then for example AoC but they sure put the ones they have in the right spots. And lastly, remember this, gameplay always owns graphics.

Originally posted by Aragon100

So youre starting to get unsecure now about the length of developing Darkfall been in? Thats a progress. You were wrong and it would have been even better if you just admitted it but i guess i have to settle for unsecure at the moment. =)

Actually, I was absolutely correct.

Darkfall was supposed to go into beta around 2003. Darkfall has been in development since the original developers started on it, which according to people here, was in 2000. Period. Passing the torch does not constitute an entirely new game- obviously.

As I said earlier it doesn't really matter at this point whether you want to argue if it was five or eight years, for all that it matters now it could be a thousand years.

5 year of a game of Darkfalls caliber isnt long at all and understand that the company developing Darkfall isnt same size as Blizzard, theyre way smaller.

Eight years of development, especially for a game like Darkfall which is now based on archaic notions and technology, is excessive. The size of the company is nothing more than an excuse, it is irrelevant.

Most MMORPG:s have long development times so why shouldnt Darkfall have that? Youre just not making any sense.


People are rightly discontent with three year development cycles for next-gen games. Darkfall has had, truthfully, eight years.

Originally posted by Xris375

 

Originally posted by Theodgrim

 

Originally posted by Xris375

 

Originally posted by 3on1

lol @ the ppl who can only say "go to AoC forum troll"

maybe just prove all the "AoC fanboys" that darkfall isnt vaporware

ow wait,, u cant

um you prove that DF is vaporware

 

ow wait,,u cant

 

Only those claiming they have something tangible are required to prove it. 

Lets take another example.  You tell me you have an invisible airplane.  I dont have to prove the invisible airplane doesnt exist - you are the one that has to convince me it does.  If you cant, or wont, it is reasonable to claim BS. 

 

LOL says who ? Is that like a law of nature ?

  Actually, yeah.  A person cannot prove something does not exist...think about what you just said for a moment.  Proof in any form requires something tangible.  If I claim something does not exist...it stands to reason it has nothing tangible as well. 

  On the other hand, I could show you an empty box and suggest THIS is proof there is no darkfall.  You see, there is no Darkfall in my box...therefore, unless you have darkfall in yours, I have solid "proof" (by your own standard) that it does not exist.  Of course, this whole mess brings us round, full circle, to the point at hand.  It is left to the people who HAVE something tangible to prove it exists, not the ones who suggest it doesn't by lack of something tangible.

  I'm not sure how you could have missed this logic...but I understand your need to defend the game.  I'd just like you to do so with, I dunno, a better stance.  Several posters have done so already, by simply suggesting they have nothing to lose and like the ideals and want to support them.  Now, they have yet to counter the position that in doing so...the are enabling this company to be in a position to steal from its investors by not demanding more, and thus, more quickly providing proof to the investors of wrong doing.

  But thats not a debate I'm in the mood for tonight.  I simply wanted to bring the matter to full focus, and try and get you off the silly notion that its possible to prove something isn't real.  Proof is only ever required on the end of those in possession of tangibility.

Originally posted by Gazenthia

 

Originally posted by Aragon100

So youre starting to get unsecure now about the length of developing Darkfall been in? Thats a progress. You were wrong and it would have been even better if you just admitted it but i guess i have to settle for unsecure at the moment. =)

Actually, I was absolutely correct.

Darkfall was supposed to go into beta around 2003. Darkfall has been in development since the original developers started on it, which according to people here, was in 2000. Period. Passing the torch does not constitute an entirely new game- obviously.

As I said earlier it doesn't really matter at this point whether you want to argue if it was five or eight years, for all that it matters now it could be a thousand years.

5 year of a game of Darkfalls caliber isnt long at all and understand that the company developing Darkfall isnt same size as Blizzard, theyre way smaller.

 

Eight years of development, especially for a game like Darkfall which is now based on archaic notions and technology, is excessive. The size of the company is nothing more than an excuse, it is irrelevant.

Most MMORPG:s have long development times so why shouldnt Darkfall have that? Youre just not making any sense.


People are rightly discontent with three year development cycles for next-gen games. Darkfall has had, truthfully, eight years.

 

RazorWax did not 'pass' the torch, well, they did, but Aventurine extinguised the torch, destroyed it and built a new one of RazorWax's plans (concept). Putting it in your analogy.

Originally posted by Housam

 

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Originally posted by Zorvan

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Originally posted by Aragon100

 

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Originally posted by Kairarr

 

Sure im an a AoC fanboy because i believe this game is a hoax.

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Well its better to wait for a game that might be as good as Darkfall then play a game like Age of Conan we already know is shit.=)

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And we know that how?

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troll...

 

Is that the best you've got? Next time, answer the question or keep your hands off the keyboard. Insults don't disguise ignorance.

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Ignorance is bliss.

It shouldn't be removed, but it isn't helping that fanbois are sugar coating every aspect they possibly can. Like the 8yr development track I tried to set a certain someone straight *cough* ahem you know who you are.

Anyway sure Darkfall has been in development an abnormal amount of time, sure the promises are too great for the small company and let alone the hardware available today. It doesn't mean the Darkfall community still won't get a watered down version of the game's vision sometime in the near future. Just let it be and see how this pans out. "No use crying over split milk," as my mom would always say.

Originally posted by botagar

 

you sir, are a biggotted idiot!

 

RazorWax did not 'pass' the torch, well, they did, but Aventurine extinguised the torch, destroyed it and built a new one of RazorWax's plans (concept). Putting it in your analogy.

First of all I am a madam as you could tell from my user name, yet somehow I think you knew that already.

Second, I don't think you have any idea what 'bigotry' and 'idiocy' actually mean. Else you wouldn't be incorrectly using them in a haphazard attempt to substitute a legitimate and relevant argument. I've been on forums since 2000, I recognize debate diarrhea when I see it.

Third, it's pretty clear that your last sentence is meant as a counter to something I said. I want you to put on your critical thinking hat and see if you can determine how you did not, in fact, counter anything I just said. If anything, you contradicted yourself. I'll accept an apology when you figure it out.

Originally posted by botagar

RazorWax did not 'pass' the torch, well, they did, but Aventurine extinguised the torch, destroyed it

 

I'll agree with that LOL

Even if it doesn't come out, developers can learn from just reading the concept... Right now we need anything we can get to prevent more WoW clones... :)

Originally posted by erandur

Even if it doesn't come out, developers can learn from just reading the concept... Right now we need anything we can get to prevent more WoW clones... :)

  They would just read it wrong anyway.  To the suits, this will be just more proof that the model either won't sell...or takes too much investment (as proven by the long dev time and deep costs) to be worth the money when they can churn out a WoW clone quick and cheap for a fast return.

  Hence why we get so mad at them.  If they actually MADE the stupid game we'd have an example which could change the industry.  If they are just bs'ing us all...they've driven another nail into the coffin.

 

Originally posted by erandur

Even if it doesn't come out, developers can learn from just reading the concept... Right now we need anything we can get to prevent more WoW clones... :)

 

when they can churn out a WoW clone quick and cheap for a fast return.

You think 50 million dollars is cheap for a video game?

Originally posted by Catizone

 

Originally posted by erandur

Even if it doesn't come out, developers can learn from just reading the concept... Right now we need anything we can get to prevent more WoW clones... :)

 

when they can churn out a WoW clone quick and cheap for a fast return.

You think 50 million dollars is cheap for a vbideo game?

  Cheaper than paying the same sized team an extra 3-4 years to take on a project the size of what Darkfall is about on a super polished and professional level.  Remember, WoW didn't have near the content that DF is promising on release...and it took them how many years to make it?  With how many devs?  For a WoW team to make DF...it would probably have cost them 80-100 mil.

  Also, If I'm not mistaken, Tabula Rasa cost around 80 million itself.  It wasn't a WoW clone, and failed.  Had they saved 30 million dollars and made a WoW clone...they could have probably had at least 100K subs for a moment.  Just more nails in the coffin of innovation.  That 30 million is a lot of money to be saving.  Even worse, it cost BLIZZARD 50 million to make WoW.  These clones aren't spending near that much, well...maybe near...but not likely 50 million.  Blizz spent 50 million because it had 50 million to spend.  They didn't need as much investment...they had a parent company AND a host of massively successful titles lining their pockets.

Originally posted by Gishgeron

 

Cheaper than paying the same sized team an extra 3-4 years to take on a project the size of what Darkfall is about on a super polished and professional level.  Remember, WoW didn't have near the content that DF is promising on release...and it took them how many years to make it?  With how many devs?  For a WoW team to make DF...it would probably have cost them 80-100 mil.

  Also, If I'm not mistaken, Tabula Rasa cost around 80 million itself.  It wasn't a WoW clone, and failed.  Had they saved 30 million dollars and made a WoW clone...they could have probably had at least 100K subs for a moment.  Just more nails in the coffin of innovation.  That 30 million is a lot of money to be saving.  Even worse, it cost BLIZZARD 50 million to make WoW.  These clones aren't spending near that much, well...maybe near...but not likely 50 million.  Blizz spent 50 million because it had 50 million to spend.  They didn't need as much investment...they had a parent company AND a host of massively successful titles lining their pockets.

EVE Online, currently the second most popular MMO in the NA/EU (well, third if you count Runescape), costed $3 million to develop. It's also the most complex MMO out there (more complex than DFO IMO), not a WoW clone by any means. DAoC costed about $2 million to develop as well, though it was rather simple.

Darkfall doesn't need $50+ million to release. No indie game does. The cost of living / hiring developers / running a company  in a country such as Greece is nothing compared to the U.S. The cost of marketing of the game are almost nil. They aren't aiming at millions of subs either. If CCP or Mythic could make successful MMOs for $2-3 millions, why Aventurine, with supposedly much more money can't do it?

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