Originally posted by Gnazon

 

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Originally posted by eq2js
It just won't compare to Warhammer or GW2!

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Of course it will not, it is like comparing apples to oranges to peaches. Which is the best fruit?

 

Besides, even if I will move on to one of the others later on, I expect AoC to amuse me for a while, and I am sure that it will do just that. I do not intend to marry a computer game (be it AoC and otherwise), you are free to try other games on the market and move on if something better comes along - I really do not get that 'you are either with us or against us' mentality many mmo players sport now days.

@OP
I have preordered so I voted option 1. :)

PS. Sorry for feeding the troll.

PIff. That's just stupid. It's of course peaches

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Aren't you getting sick of the same crap? WAR and it's like are just the same crap...with a new coat of paint.

New coat of paint? War looks pretty damn close to WoW. Exact same graphics style...

@Linuxxx: It's not changing anything. it's still not an open beta for me and i wont buy anything i dont know.

your reply was kinda unnecessary, except you're working for funcom....

Call it what you want, if you want in, you can get in. Sounds kinda open to me.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Pre-Ordered, obviously :P

However, AoC is a spin on the norm, it comes across as familar yet new for me. The combat is really different.

Real time is the key here, real time combat with active blocking.

Mounted combat in real time etc etc - its done differently than any other mmorpg has done in the past.

Siege warfare, been there done that yep, again its done differently here. Dont have to wake up and your guild city has been wiped out.

A.I.  yep seen it done well before, but yet again the A.I done here seems to be more comprehensive for an mmorpg. See Dev Diary # 5.

List goes on a bit more, nevertheless, all of the trolls that post shit here were deeply hurt by the overwhelming positive response from the PvP weekend. Isn't that just great!!

Like I have been saying the game will stand on its own for what it is for all to see come release. Judge it on the final version.

 

War is not WoW 2.0 though. There is alot in AoC they you will have seen before in some shape or form, of course! But for me its the way its done differently.

People ask for the same haircut at multiple hairdressers / barbers each one does it a bit different. Same with War and AoC.

I'll never understand the mentality of people who "hate" a video game or pray for it's demise? What the heck is up with that?

But, on every forum imaginable, the haters come to spew their venom. Why? What's the point?

There are so many good MMO's out there to choose from, each with it's strengths and weaknesses. Everyone has their own tastes, and they are entitled to their opinions, but, to hate a game and endlessly bash it on the forums, is not only immature, but moronic.

Originally posted by Nadia

the Public Quests in WAR are not the "same crap"

and something that ALL MMOS could benefit from and lack in

 

 

both WAR and AOC offer new ideas

hahahah?  Are you seriuos what new ideas are those exactly?

You do PQ are just another faction grind in another name?  You do realise PQ are killing 100 of this kill 200 of that etc etc etc to get rewards?  Shall i tell you how i know because I test the beta since last august.

What new ideas does aoc have?  You think the comabt is new?  The combat is same button smash but done a different way, it takes nothing more than directing again.  It for sure has hell isnt real time and for sure as hell isnt FPS twitch combat system.

Originally posted by Ahiles

 

Originally posted by Nadia

the Public Quests in WAR are not the "same crap"

and something that ALL MMOS could benefit from and lack in

 

 

both WAR and AOC offer new ideas

 

hahahah?  Are you seriuos what new ideas are those exactly?

You do PQ are just another faction grind in another name?  You do realise PQ are killing 100 of this kill 200 of that etc etc etc to get rewards?  Shall i tell you how i know because I test the beta since last august.

 

What new ideas does aoc have?  You think the comabt is new?  The combat is same button smash but done a different way, it takes nothing more than directing again.  It for sure has hell isnt real time and for sure as hell isnt FPS twitch combat system.

You "aim"  in combat, atleast for melee chars. Thats new... but we can keep this on forever.

"Aoc has combat!"

"So does all other games duh! it's not new" -_-

i dont see why people just cant try the trial and see if they like it or not. it does not hurt to try anything.

Originally posted by Duredhel

what about another option:

only if the devs decide to give us an opportunity to test this game like in a REAL open beta or trial periode. Their "open beta" (or however they like to call it) is not what i know how an open beta should work.

this "open beta" is only available to fileplanet subscribers and also just for 50k people. besides the NDA are still active. for me its just another closed beta wih just some more people allowed to join. If Im not allowed to test a game, Im not buying it. I dont buy things if Im not aware of whats inside....

Yes you do. You certainly have and will buy things in the future, you didn't have a chance to test, and some will be quite expensive.

How much testing did you get to do with the new car you purchased? Maybe a 5 minute test drive? How about the home you live in? Did the seller let you live there to try it out?

Silly examples, I know, but if you give it some thought you'll see that with most products you've purchased, you never really got to test before purchasing.

Game companies want people to actually "test" and beta their product, not play for free.

Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide.

I am playing Tabula Rasa now, I have AoC preordered and I am still following Warhammer. I am also keeping an eye on Chronicles of the Spellborn, Jumpgate Evolution and Bloodymare. I was planning on reactivating my WoW account once the new expansion came out but I recently reactivated to say hi to some old homies and found the game so boring that I couldn't get myself to play.

What game I actually stick with will depend on the developers. High fun factor + player skill required = here is my money.

Anyway, I am excited though, so many top notch games coming through the pipe! I just hope that each of those listed games gets enough customers to keep it alive.

I see AoC as being the first game of it's type on the PC.

Consoles had the "high punch, low punch, middle punch" button mashing already, but they took that and seemed to have adapted it for a PC audience.... or just made sure it worked on XBOX and decided to port it to PC. Whatever their reasons it will be interesting to see if it works out. It will also affect future MMO releases on control schemes.

Problems I see: Beta works, but I don't think that has an bearing on what thousands of clients, (All running Windows Vista to get DX10) will do in sieges, quests, and bar brawls. What happens if the problem isn't the client, but Windows Vista itself? Doubtful, but there are plenty of times when Nvidia pointed at Windows and stated: It isn't our driver, it's the OS -  and Windows pointed at Nvidia and said: It isn't the OS, it's the driver. 

In the end it was the customer that suffered until the problem was smoothed out.

It is the first MMO to do this, and so I hope for the best so that others can learn from them, fix what they do wrong, and improve.

Much of it is just so untested and unproven I will have to wait a few weeks to try it out and see how things go.

I am glad it is releasing in May though, it gives WAR the ability to watch their launch and tweak their own. Let's people try AoC to see if they like it, and prevents the two games from having a huge conflict with acquiring subs.

Originally posted by mbrandybuck

 

Originally posted by Duredhel

what about another option:

only if the devs decide to give us an opportunity to test this game like in a REAL open beta or trial periode. Their "open beta" (or however they like to call it) is not what i know how an open beta should work.

this "open beta" is only available to fileplanet subscribers and also just for 50k people. besides the NDA are still active. for me its just another closed beta wih just some more people allowed to join. If Im not allowed to test a game, Im not buying it. I dont buy things if Im not aware of whats inside....

 

Yes you do. You certainly have and will buy things in the future, you didn't have a chance to test, and some will be quite expensive.

How much testing did you get to do with the new car you purchased? Maybe a 5 minute test drive? How about the home you live in? Did the seller let you live there to try it out?

Silly examples, I know, but if you give it some thought you'll see that with most products you've purchased, you never really got to test before purchasing.

Game companies want people to actually "test" and beta their product, not play for free.

Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide.

Buying a car and having a 5 minute test drive would be more than i had testing aoc since there's no open beta at all...(except I'll pay, what i wont as i stated before). If'd buy a house the salesman would let me see the interior so I'd have seen in from inside *points at the highlighted sentence you quoted*

 and to quote you: "Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide."

That's excatly what Im going to do, but so far there's no " real open beta" and i havent seen any trial periode offer from funcom. so if it stays like that i wont buy it. thats all i said in my first post and if you want to keep on arguing with me you should make a better case of it my friend....

After playing the beta weekend I've decided to pass on this one. I didn't find the combat as enjoyable or actiony as I thought it would be. Other than that I've been spending so little time in MMOs these last few years that I've lost interest.

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Originally posted by Duredhel

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Originally posted by mbrandybuck

 

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Originally posted by Duredhel

what about another option:
only if the devs decide to give us an opportunity to test this game like in a REAL open beta or trial periode. Their "open beta" (or however they like to call it) is not what i know how an open beta should work.
this "open beta" is only available to fileplanet subscribers and also just for 50k people. besides the NDA are still active. for me its just another closed beta wih just some more people allowed to join. If Im not allowed to test a game, Im not buying it. I dont buy things if Im not aware of whats inside....

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Yes you do. You certainly have and will buy things in the future, you didn't have a chance to test, and some will be quite expensive.
How much testing did you get to do with the new car you purchased? Maybe a 5 minute test drive? How about the home you live in? Did the seller let you live there to try it out?
Silly examples, I know, but if you give it some thought you'll see that with most products you've purchased, you never really got to test before purchasing.
Game companies want people to actually "test" and beta their product, not play for free.
Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide.

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That's why open betas and trial periodes exist. It's not only to stress test the game server (in case of OB) but also a chance for me to test the game itself.
Buying a car and having a 5 minute test drive would be more than i had testing aoc since there's no open beta at all...(except I'll pay, what i wont as i stated before). If'd buy a house the salesman would let me see the interior so I'd have seen in from inside *points at the highlighted sentence you quoted*
 and to quote you: "Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide."
That's excatly what Im going to do, but so far there's no " real open beta" and i havent seen any trial periode offer from funcom. so if it stays like that i wont buy it. thats all i said in my first post and if you want to keep on arguing with me you should make a better case of it my friend....

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Sorry...But both you and the poster you are quoting, he himself refered to these examples as poor or plain bad examples..

Because that is what they are, you can't compare game software with buying a house or a new car...These are very expensive items and the buyer will even get some sort of guarantee for certain things..If the purchase doesn't contain or fullfill what it sais in it's description the purchase goes back, this is even in the law(In Sweden atleast)

These guarantee's doesn't exist in the entertainment industri as a whole, It's on a "I like this game or movie, but I do NOT like it" basis..

To explain further, I bet you have either bought or rented a bad film, even thou you saw the TRAILER, this film was the worst you have ever seen both in the story and quality.

And..A MMO..It's the same deal really..The game isnt more expensive than a ordinary PC game and you will even get your first MONTH game time included, you have a whole month to deicide if this game is worth your subscription or not, and PC games has never had any "Try this whole game for a couple of weeks first then make up your mind deals, ever"..It just happened with all the betas for MMO's lately..

Sure, there is gaming developers that has bad and good reputation, even those with almost flawless reputation...But games is always games

Either you will like AoC or you will hate it or you may end up in the middle. time will tell...

Personally I think WoW is one of the worst MMO experiences i have ever had even thou the product in itself is rather good..But even thou milllions are playing it and even thou Blizzard owns a flawless rep, I do not like WoW and think it's a crappy game..

This may or may not happen with AoC aswell..

/Junker

Originally posted by eq2js

It just won't compare to Warhammer or GW2!

Hello? Anyone home?

What's that have to do with the price of eggs in England?

I love how games won't compare to games that aren't even out yet. I'm looking forward to playing AOC AND WAR AND GW2, when they arrive on the scene. Maybe not all three at the same time, but I will definately play them all.

So, what's your point anyway? AOC is coming out first. If you're NOT interested in AOC, then it doesn't matter, and you should not have even responded to this post.

And btw... There is very little information, if any, on the details regarding Guild Wars 2. Did you even know that? So based on ZERO information, you already decided that GW2 will be the second coming of our lord.

Pure genius, I say!

Originally posted by elvenangel

 

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

 

Originally posted by elvenangel

 

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

 

Originally posted by eq2js

It just won't compare to Warhammer or GW2!

lol...right.

 

Aren't you getting sick of the same crap? WAR and it's like are just the same crap...with a new coat of paint.

AoC takes the genre forward. Let's get off this damn treadmill and make some progress!

So whats so super new?  Sieges..no...Player built Cities..no...Player Siegable Cities...no...PvP no...PvP Battlegrounds nope...Teired Raiding system ? Not really....  Ooh PvP Levels...not really.. 

 

Its graphics and combat system are the only two things that stand out as 'different' than the rest.    Its still a class based level based non sandbox game..which is most people's chief complaint with other MMOs.

Please Enlightment me with what makes AoC so much 1000 better than everything else...WAR atleast has some innovate & unique gameplay features.

You're just going to have to wait until release, unless you want to do some reading and educate yourself.

 

Let me just state that besides the unique game mechanics that you completely missed in your little rant, the game as an entirety is an innovation.

What is WAR? Another game with orcs and elves, using the same tired mechanics as all the games that come before it.

It's WoW 2.0, nothing more.

 

Hmm so basically you have no proof just claims is there..I've read plenty and none of it other than the two things I listed are anything remotely new.   Thank you come again..btw that wasn't a rant..simply a question for you to back up your claims.

 Its combat system is the only thing remotely new and honestly thats not enough for the type of Gameplay I enjoy.  

btw to another poster I played FFXI Online and their Besieged quests are NOT anything like the PQ system from WAR. 

I also think 200k Subs is a perfectly acceptable number will AoC get them? I dont know..Maybe..there are 400K people signed up for its beta.

I've no problem with AoC I do how ever take issue with people hyping the game as this super awsome New game doing such new things when really they aren't.   They changed a mechanic that most people will just sort of forget about after the first year..its Content which actually keep people in game are nothing new to gush super hyperactive style.

Wow. You are extremely opinionated.

Actually, you don't seem to enjoy anything. I'd be curious to know what MMO you actually play that meets your definative criteria.

And please stop this, "every game needs to be revolutionary and break all molds" nonsense. If we all waited solely for games to fit that criteria, none of us would ever play anything. LOL!

I admit, it would be nice, but let's be realistic. Over time, games will evolve with technology and bring us new features. Until then, enjoy what's available.

Originally posted by Ahiles

 

Originally posted by Nadia

the Public Quests in WAR are not the "same crap"

and something that ALL MMOS could benefit from and lack in

 

 

both WAR and AOC offer new ideas

 

hahahah?  Are you seriuos what new ideas are those exactly?

You do PQ are just another faction grind in another name?  You do realise PQ are killing 100 of this kill 200 of that etc etc etc to get rewards?  Shall i tell you how i know because I test the beta since last august.

 

What new ideas does aoc have?  You think the comabt is new?  The combat is same button smash but done a different way, it takes nothing more than directing again.  It for sure has hell isnt real time and for sure as hell isnt FPS twitch combat system.

OMG!

A game is coming out that at least tries a "new" twist on combat mechanisms, and you're complaining about that also?

So... Enlighten us... Please tell us exactly the way you percieve combat should be performed in an online game. Then, at least we'll have an idea and a reference point to debate, if indeed a debate should be deemed necessary.

I can't wait to read your thesis on combat mechanisms in a video game requiring NO button involvement of any kind. DDO had excellent combat, but you probably didn't like that game either.

I mean... I hear the constant whining, crying, moaning, tantrum throwing... Well, you get the message. And, I'm always left wondering this.

What the heck do you guys want?

Originally posted by Duredhel

 

Originally posted by mbrandybuck

 

Originally posted by Duredhel

what about another option:

only if the devs decide to give us an opportunity to test this game like in a REAL open beta or trial periode. Their "open beta" (or however they like to call it) is not what i know how an open beta should work.

this "open beta" is only available to fileplanet subscribers and also just for 50k people. besides the NDA are still active. for me its just another closed beta wih just some more people allowed to join. If Im not allowed to test a game, Im not buying it. I dont buy things if Im not aware of whats inside....

 

Yes you do. You certainly have and will buy things in the future, you didn't have a chance to test, and some will be quite expensive.

How much testing did you get to do with the new car you purchased? Maybe a 5 minute test drive? How about the home you live in? Did the seller let you live there to try it out?

Silly examples, I know, but if you give it some thought you'll see that with most products you've purchased, you never really got to test before purchasing.

Game companies want people to actually "test" and beta their product, not play for free.

Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide.

That's why open betas and trial periodes exist. It's not only to stress test the game server (in case of OB) but also a chance for me to test the game itself.

 

Buying a car and having a 5 minute test drive would be more than i had testing aoc since there's no open beta at all...(except I'll pay, what i wont as i stated before). If'd buy a house the salesman would let me see the interior so I'd have seen in from inside *points at the highlighted sentence you quoted*

 and to quote you: "Anyway, I suggest you wait until AFTER a new game releases. Only then will you get enough info to help you decide."

That's excatly what Im going to do, but so far there's no " real open beta" and i havent seen any trial periode offer from funcom. so if it stays like that i wont buy it. thats all i said in my first post and if you want to keep on arguing with me you should make a better case of it my friend....

I don't disagree with you, and I used the "silly" examples to "emphasize" a point.

But come on... We all play MMO's here. Very few of us are rookies. There's NO guarantees for anyone purchasing a video game, that he or she will find the game to be a mirror of their specific desires.

I pre-ordered AOC. I have never played it, tested it nor was I interested in the PVP weekend. I've read up enough on the game to, at least, make a decision that it would suit my tastes. I've been wrong before. Thought the same way about POTBS. Played that title for about 3 weeks and didn't care for it. Like I said, no guarantees.

Point is. If you're an experienced gamer, you will get a good "feel" for a title before you actually get a chance to play it. Trust your instincts, or wait until a free trial period opens up.

There are NO perfect MMO's. They don't exist, nor will they ever.

I spend $40 a week in gas.  So $50 bucks really doesn't seem like much anymore.  :(  Even if it sucks, it's not like I'm out much.

I canceled my collector edition preorder.
The game doesn't make the genre go further, it makes it go backwards, just like WAR but on a way bigger scale.

As some have said already, only the combat melee system is new (and fun at times I must admit). All the other things are copied from other theme park MMOs, and some are even badly copied!
The design is not well thought enough.

It guess it can be nice for PvE WoWers, while waiting for WotLK, thanks to the PvE content AoC will provide. But that's it.

It's time the real MMO next-gen (sandbox) comes.