Jumpgate Evolution

As a gamer who played and mildly enjoyed the original JG, I can confirm that most of the community are self-serving eliteist pigs that want to rule their own sandbox and won't put up with anyone else coming close to it.

Sorry, but it's true.  It ran off the population in the first JG and, unless things change (i.e. the people that STILL play that old ass game are diluted down by newcomers) the next JG will be the same... a barren wasteland.

I'm not sure what type of forum you're used to, but for me, switching from one game to JGE, their forums were very clean and absent the flamewars and trolling runs I usually see.

I haven't got a slighest idea what you are talking about, the community looks perfectly normal to me.

Compared to WoW theese guys are kitty cats.

All I've received from the users is open, constructive criticism. If people can't handle that on the internet then they need a reality check.

And if someone gives you a bit of lip about something trivial, then you report them to mods and STFU

If the Jumpgate community can put up with my crapola the last 7 years and still reply to me reasonably then I really don't see the problem.

What Lobotomist did, was make a thread expecting alot of "OMG! YEAH! GREAT IDEA!!!" and too be instantly accepted. What he got was replys about the fact that JGE is and will be a space simulation game, and not a fantasy MMO with avatar running around.

Rather then accepting this and saying that it might make a good addition later if the focus of the game changed, he proceeded to attack people who doubted the idea about how "JGE will fail unless it adopts my ideas".

Whilst it's true that the Jumpgate community will openly welcome new people and treat them politely, if you give crap and don't pay attention to others, you'll receive 3x more crap and not be listened to yourself

First I apologize for the long post, but I wish to respond.

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Originally posted by mike470

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Originally posted by Brooster-JG

Once upon a time there was a forum troll.

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So let me get this straight...
The econemy of America is not going so well...And it is a major issue. But it should not be repeated, since it has already been talked about? NO! If something is an important issue, then it will be repeated and repeated until something is done about it. Clearly, nothing is happening to make this community better.
By the way, the community DOES suck. You say that the trolll knows better than thew players who played in beta. Well hell, mabye it does! More than half of the people who are long time players of JG are saying they want it released in 2008, no matter how many bugs there are. You are saying that these people know just as much as the troll, who says that they should take their time?
This game's community will bring it down...
By the way, YOU are the troll here, for you clearly have no idea about how bad it really is.

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Are you sure? As far as I know I have not read one post that shouts "Release JGE NOW".

Most of the members of the community are understanding, if not patient. They want a great game. No one wants a rushed game. Although, the number of beta requests is staggering.

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Originally posted by shakaama
notice all the people attacking OP have 1-5 posts?

just and observation.

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So....just because someone has a low post count means they don't know anything about the JGE community? Or that their shy? Either way, it IS an observation, what you learn from it I can't even guess.

Also as noted in a post in this thread, Newt has been here for a while, but only has 10 posts. What does that observation mean?

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Originally posted by Illyrian
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If Jumpagte Evolution will be the updated version of the old game it will most likely sink as its predecessor (I know, I know, it was OMFG success in its microscopic niche a decade ago). Therefore, unless the devs stick to some insane "vision", it is reasonable to assume the changes will be made. This will, of course, make hardcores unhappy.

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As stated above me, to this day one of the devs Scorch says the original is still making a profit. Is that a failure? No

Just because you create an indie game and it doesn't become the next Halo-like thing (by that I mean extremely popular), does not mean it fails. If the objective was to get a copy of the game in every house, then yes. But most of the time, companies want to make a profit. Profit = profit. No matter how much of a profit, the company is making money.

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Originally posted by baff

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Originally posted by Precursor

I don't browse the new or old JG sites very much, but I think it would be going way overboard to call the old JG community horrible. I think it's just a tight knit group of individuals who don't want to see a game they have spent many years on saturated with ideas that might conflict with their perspective of the way the classic game functioned.
In response to class JG being a failure, I don't believe that for a minute. 3DO threw them out the door right after release if I remember correctly and they may have had some marketing problems afterwards, but that's about it. For a twitch based niche game that caters to a sci-fi genre to last all these years is an amazing success in my book.
I would absolutely expect some hostility in a forum if a new face showed up and began chatting about how great it would be to add in X, Y, and Z. Classic JG is unlike many of the newer generation MMO's and I am sure many of the vets are uneasy to adapt to. I think the old community wants to see the success of the new release as much as the newcomers. They were the ones who kept JG alive as long as it has.
Just remember, If not for that old community that the OP is angry about there would not be a JG. Or a JG forum, or a new JG to be excited about.
Give them a little credit and some respect. Then wait until the game is released and shoot down each and every one of them that slighted you on the forum. It's the Jumgate way. Just watch out for Liet. He's a nasty one. =P
kikujiro

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This is certainly my idea of a horrible community.
A close knit bunch who have known each other for years and already weeded out all dissent. Homogonised buy years of flaming and noobing.
No room for free thinkers or new idea's. Full of their own self importance.

Here is something you need to remember. If JGE only sells to you, and all those who played the old version, JGE will never exist.
If you want more, you will have to attract new players. You will have to cater to what they enjoy, and if you don't want to, and if you want it all the same, no one will lend the dev's enough money to make this game.
Time for you lot to say goodbye to "classic JG". "Classic JG was a flop. Are you the ones that kept JG going, or are you the ones that prevented it's success?
You can either embrace change or get left behind like the dodo's. No one cares. JGE will be different from JG and the old guard purists will all be disappointed. Just as they are in every game. This game will either embrace the mass market, or it won't see the light of day, and what the players of the old game want is of no more importance to what some one else who might buy the new title wants. It's not about who bought the last one, it is about who is going to buy the next one.

No one owes you any respect, because you played some old game no one likes or has heard of. If you want respect, you will have to earn it. If you want to be respected, the fastest way for you to get this is to start respecting others.

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All precursor was saying, was the community is trying to keep JGE the unique title that JGC was. That doesn't mean no new features.

Respect...That's interesting. You show a lot of respect to players that know what kind of game JGE must be.

They have accepted ideas, like "inertial dampeners" that give more control to the physics of the game. Of course, it can be turned off for those that liked the old way. But the devs have said, they find pilots turning it off during combat and back on afterwards.

Its "evolution" (pun-intended). I doubt there's any old player that wants a complete copy of JGC. Not that's it was bad, but it is outdated and is missing better integrated systems.

Heck, I'm still playing. Though school does come first, so it's not all the time.

Just visit the forum without looking for a fight, make constructive posts and don't bash anyone or you'll get the fight you want.

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Originally posted by Renko
What Baff said about these JG:C diehards coming here and demanding respect was exactly right.
Whether "flop" was a poor choice of word is a matter of interpretation.

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Sorry, was anyone "demanding" respect? No they were simply stating their opinion that he is wrong. No one said "MMORPG.com must bow to us".

Please, relax and don't get too worked up or you may misinterpret someone.

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Originally posted by Geriden
I was checking out that game a while ago
and i agree even more so now after seeing there responces to your thread
its is with out a dout ! the worst community ive ever come across !
now i shall register there and post retarded suggestions to piss them off .
"how about being able to walk on your ships wings ? yes ? gud idear"

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I think you are being sarcastic, but I can't tell....

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Originally posted by Liliane
I agree with OP.
The JGE forum community is pretty hostile. JGE forum community is even worst than this mmorpg.com forum community. Some of the people are nice there, but there is so many attitude problem player there, they just protect they area by pissing in the territory borders, like dogs do.

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Explain this pissing...is it a command? or a code like []statement[/]?

There's not much to oppose when you don't actually bring anything constructive to the conversation.

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Originally posted by Renko
The main problem seems to be the JGE community is still quiet small which allows a few idiots to dominate the forum.

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So whose worst, the person that believes someone else wholeheartedly without prior experience nor the act of actually not picking a fight? Or the person that sees a post putting a low view of their community and wanting to give a another point of view?

If you read the posts he linked to, the person who warned of killing people with Avatars stated, "If any of you had an avatar like that in Jumpgate, I'd kill you for making me look at it."

He basically said the avatar Lobo used in his example was ugly (in his view) and if someone had an "ugly" avatar like that he would kill them. Please if you are going to quote someone, put it in the rigth context. The remark was not directed at Lobo.

Everyone before that poster, was supportive of that idea, though they didn't think it was a priority. Which shows them as accepting, but had different ideas as to what was important.

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The old game was a flop. That's why it's publisher dropped it. It didn't make any money.
They didn't drop it because it was an excellent and profitable game with the potential to be a best seller, they dropped it because it wasn't.
The magasines didn't go mental about it and put it on their front covers and give it 5 page centre spread reviews because they weren't intrested in it. Not because 3DO didn't bribe them.
There is no great conspiracy. It was a flop. That's all. Plenty of games are.

Retention of previous business is good, but when the amount of retention you could best hope for is pathetically small and has previously been highly unprofitable, it's not something you should make a particular responsability.

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JGE needs an entirely new crowd and it needs to sell tens if not hundreds of thousands of copies, pandering to 300 highly vocal fans is counter productive. There wasn't enough people that liked what they enjoy last time round. They are the last people with any clue as to what makes a successful game.
Now I'm sure the publishers wish to capitalise on the franchise name and re-attract some of the original buyers, but not at the expense of new buyers. You see if all this game sells to is the same people who bought it before, it will just be an expensive flop again.

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Your sale is in the bag. It's what the other potential customers want they have to really worry about.

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3DO didn't advertise, they didn't do their job. Oh and they went bankrupt shortly after JG launched. And no, they didn't put enough money into Jumpgate to make them bankrupt.

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Originally posted by Black_Elvis
As a gamer who played and mildly enjoyed the original JG, I can confirm that most of the community are self-serving eliteist pigs that want to rule their own sandbox and won't put up with anyone else coming close to it.
Sorry, but it's true. It ran off the population in the first JG and, unless things change (i.e. the people that STILL play that old ass game are diluted down by newcomers) the next JG will be the same... a barren wasteland.

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Okay, when did you play Jumpgate? What was your experience? No, don't say people were jerks. Say either "so-and-so ganked me" or "I was in the sim and people repeatedly killed me, then followed me around for weeks to kill me."

Just give an example, because I can name 30 or so people from my squad who weren't elitist. They were what some PvPers would call "carebears" because they RPed against the Alien AI and didn't PvPed unless attacked.

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Ill have to agree with you, i have NO plans to consider this game, they are not only childish but are unable to think outside the box. More than likely their game will fail "again" as their first one did, its too bad they dont seem to understand games need funding and without subs no new content, art, expan's and so on will happen as their first game did!
Count me out!

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Again, Netdevil is adding features that would seem "against" JGC's formula. Like the aforementioned "inertial dampeners". Can't say much as few deatils are known, but they are expanding its accessibility. Just wait before you condemn a game when it's not even released yet.

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Originally posted by mike470
OP-
I agree entirely! After reading your post I decided to look over the forums and see how bad his community really was...I was shocked.
It turns out that everyone just wants the game to come out as soon as possible, and whenever someone objects, saying that it should be worked on longer, the flame the hell out of him.
It is very unfortunate that this happened to the community, and it will be hard to get a good, pre-game community going.

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Link please? Cause I don't buy it. We want a great game, thought requests for beta are rising everyday. Heck, there's not a moment that goes by on the JGE IRC channel that someone doesn't request a beta from a dev.

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Originally posted by Renko
The way so many people came here from the JGE forum to jump up and down on the OP really just gives credence to what he wrote about them.

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So if we didn't say "our community is horrible" then he's right? What? That doesn't make sense.

It's like someone calls a minority some related insult and the minority says, "Thanks"

Who would?

We are merely stated (even our Community Manager stated) he is wrong. Don't accept someone else's view without confirming it yourself without prejudice.

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Originally posted by firefly2003
This community sounds like the SWG (Star Wars Galaxies( Community as of late, rude and very hostile since thier game community is disappearing....

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Okay, the JGE community sounds like a game community that is "rude and very hostile since thier game community is disappearing"

What? How can there be a game community if it's disappearing? Sounds like a bad game, not a bad community.

For assistancem, these are the threads Lobo was talking about: 3D AVATARS - a suggestion and Question 1 : AVATARS

The second thread got closed, after, 7 pages, by the Comunity Manager, who posted in this thread earlier, and I quote "There will not be human avatars in the game at release or in the forseeable future."

No one on the first page of either thread posted insults to Lobo. Some agreed, some didn't. They mostly stated, it wasn't important to implement before release. That is an opinion of fans. And apparently, as posted in this same post above, the devs share it as well.

Good post, but all you've done is breath new life into this thread which seemed to be settling down.

As you've picked out all but one of my previous posts, this one is feeling a bit left out. 

Originally posted by Renko

To be fair, things do seem to be improving over there. Forum player emissaries to welcome and help the newbies and stop the fanatics from scaring them away was a good step in the right direction. Also one of the biggest [insert suitable expletive] has finally been banned (not sure why it took so long though).