Coming back to EvE after a longer break - i don't recognise my old game anymore.

It has degenerated somehow, there is so much hate and anger everywhere.

People curse each other in local, 2 years old veterans ganking miners in highsec for no real reason, except for the grief itself.  I witnessed today like a rather new player, only some months in game, lost his his first mining barge, which he safed for quite a while,  in a 0.5, according to the convo in local, the attacker, a senior eve player, didn't gain anything, he just did it for the laugh.  Where has the maturity gone, wasn't this once a game with an average player age of 27 ??

So much hate on the forums, ranting, trolling, so much bitterness.

I don't understand, what happened to EvE ? Why all that negative vibes all of a sudden ?

Really sad to see what happens here.

hate is easier to put on ppl minds and now all got propaganda at lvl 5

Originally posted by Wagrof

Coming back to EvE after a longer break - i don't recognise my old game anymore.

It has degenerated somehow, there is so much hate and anger everywhere.

People curse each other in local, 2 years old veterans ganking miners in highsec for no real reason, except for the grief itself.  I witnessed today like a rather new player, only some months in game, lost his his first mining barge, which he safed for quite a while,  in a 0.5, according to the convo in local, the attacker, a senior eve player, didn't gain anything, he just did it for the laugh.  Where has the maturity gone, wasn't this once a game with an average player age of 27 ??

So much hate on the forums, ranting, trolling, so much bitterness.

I don't understand, what happened to EvE ? Why all that negative vibes all of a sudden ?

Really sad to see what happens here.

well, after all the dev-documented "antics"; nonstop player griefings shouldn't be too much of a shock.

Welcome to the era of the Goonswarm Jihad.  An era where a group of leet-tards got so tired of 0.0 that they continuously make alts for the specific task of ganking carebears in Empire space.  Not only that, but they, like the terrorist name implies, are so hell-bent on bringing anguish toward their "sworn enemy" that they only attack the most defenseless of players.  I expect CCP will do something in the near future to curb this lame practice.

Its pretty pathetic actually and I wouldn't be surprised if the members were investigated under the new EU laws about promoting and organizing terrorism online.

Last thing I would like to say before I get flamed by some of the regulars here, I personally believe CCP should do nothing other than put measures in that would allow some means for players to police this problem.  The current situation needs to be addressed by the players, but the current means *seem* lacking (although they may not be as lacking as I live in 0.0 and don't experience this problem).

Originally posted by Wagrof

Coming back to EvE after a longer break - i don't recognise my old game anymore.

It has degenerated somehow, there is so much hate and anger everywhere.

People curse each other in local, 2 years old veterans ganking miners in highsec for no real reason, except for the grief itself.  I witnessed today like a rather new player, only some months in game, lost his his first mining barge, which he safed for quite a while,  in a 0.5, according to the convo in local, the attacker, a senior eve player, didn't gain anything, he just did it for the laugh.  Where has the maturity gone, wasn't this once a game with an average player age of 27 ??

So much hate on the forums, ranting, trolling, so much bitterness.

I don't understand, what happened to EvE ? Why all that negative vibes all of a sudden ?

Really sad to see what happens here.

What is this mythical EVE you speak off? there has always been smack and random ganks that's just how EVE is.

Eve's just fine, you are over-exaggerating some sort of isolated incidents.  You don't get ganked in empire unless you screw up somehow, and in that case you get what you deserve as EVE is a harsh place.

Been playing for last 11 months and this EVE is the only world I know.  I have friends I hang with, we have means to exact retribution at our disposal, but I will concede atm the rules favor the gankers a bit too much atm, but I'm not really expecting CCP to change it too much.

It isn't as bad as your making it.  Granted, EvE is a very harsh world, but it isn't as bad as you say.  I will put money on it, that that newbie was mining all alone in a belt, someone switched his can, and he stole from it.  Because of that, he gets flagged as a thief and therefore more then likely killed.  Sadly, it is a tactic, and tends to happen alot these days.  It is the same as it was years ago, cept the killing.  People love stealing, and being pirates, and EvE gives them that avenue to do it.  I personally dislike pirates, but then again, I'm careful when I mine and most times, they walk away with nothing and get bored and leave me alone.  He probably didn't know any better and got the short end of the stick.  Such is life in EvE.

Originally posted by Wagrof

Coming back to EvE after a longer break - i don't recognise my old game anymore.

It has degenerated somehow, there is so much hate and anger everywhere.

People curse each other in local, 2 years old veterans ganking miners in highsec for no real reason, except for the grief itself.  I witnessed today like a rather new player, only some months in game, lost his his first mining barge, which he safed for quite a while,  in a 0.5, according to the convo in local, the attacker, a senior eve player, didn't gain anything, he just did it for the laugh.  Where has the maturity gone, wasn't this once a game with an average player age of 27 ??

So much hate on the forums, ranting, trolling, so much bitterness.

I don't understand, what happened to EvE ? Why all that negative vibes all of a sudden ?

Really sad to see what happens here.

A year or so ago they changed the wardec system, effectively making it too expensive to have multiple wardecs and sustain them. They did this as EVE was getting popular and CCP believed this change would help increase subscriptions, I quit myself.

So as a result suicide ganking seems to be on the rise in empire meaning even if you're in an NPC corp you aren't safe. Atleast with the old system NPC corps were a safe haven for those that didn't want to PvP or play in low sec.

I played EVE for over 2 years but believed that when CCP saw they could increase subs by reducing the PvP element in empier I left. Many think I over-reacted but I enjoyed fighting in empire through wardecs, and the increased cost meant I'd have to get another bot account to pay for it. Also the knock on effect of EVE's rise in popularity would be a reduction in the average age and mental age of the player. Out of curiosity what is the highest number of players logged in at one time and when was the last record made?

Its a game where you can you can do what you want with no limitations, which brings out the worst in most of us . Although thankfully not everyone is like that.

A game of hatred, anger and grief ?

Sort of like a good play. With me, the game doesn't have to be fun and jolly. Even if there is griefing and anger, and general negativity I can still enjoy myself. It shows that the game is still alive, even if it reincarnates itself into something that hibernates and has giant teeth. Hey, it's there, just be sure to bring an equally large gun.

Eve has been a double edged sword. I liked some aspects of it and enjoyed it enough to drop around 250+ USD. Would I go back? Maybe, depends on what I want to do. Probably not though, since I want to concentrate on my FPS roots. As a summary, I would like to say that even though the majority of the player base is negative and brutal doesn’t mean the game shares the same qualities. If anything, it’s an opportunity to make things better. There are organizations in Eve that have been trying their best to make it a reality such as Eve University and the Agony guys with their PvP training. Eve had, and still has a great bunch of people. I was proud to be a part of it, even if it was for a short amount of time.

If carebears want to make endless amounts of ISK in empire risk should exist. If I could be arsed getting sec status up I would go to Empire and try to use the suicide gank technique to get hulk pilots to pay ransom or go pop if they turn on their engines to align.

What goonswarm are doing is fine. Miners could easily avoid it but they don't have much idea of how to as they don't play in low sec regions or 0.0 where those precautions are required. Add to that even if I was to say..

Set goon standings to -10 and just watch local for them coming into your system, keep pre-aligned to a safespot or station, maybe go so far as to have an alt commit a criminal act in your belt to get CONCORD to sit there for a while as your security.

No one or not many would pay any attention as they all think their corner of high sec is safe until they get popped...not having read the forum posts giving details on how to avoid a gank some either take the advice or cry. The guys who cry need to think about playing a different MMORPG, because EVE is fine as it is.

And tbh my view on piracy is that we need to move into high sec. An abundance of targets in that area, no reason why pirate corps cannot evolve...

Most high sec corps have lax security on entrance, it would be so easy for a couple of guys to infiltrate, and either close the corp through POS theft or just war dec and force 'protection' money to be paid or close the corp down by making it impossible for them to continue. Could extend that to just infiltrating and hitting mining ops etc etc.

I predict a worse future for carebears tbh.

Ky. I disagree, Eve has gotten far more brutal of late, I have to agree with the OP.

And, yes, you can check me out ingame, I'm still playing, and, a 4 year player.

But, as I said, the game has become far more brutal, 2 years ago, you had a few hundred ore thiefs, while today, the number of loot/salvage/ore thieves has boomed to a few thousand, not only that, the number of smacktards has also increased.

People have certainly taken some of thier darkest mindsets into the game, I know from a conversation last night alone that about 6 or 7 were ganging up on 1 player, all because his "gear' wasn't adequate to play Eve.

I know of even 1 Corp. that has actually called a few 'Girl' gamers whores, and bitches, to get off Eve and back into the kitchen and bedrooms for thier men.

So, just from those few snippets, I've seen the lack of mannerism has indeed slipped in eve, no wonder the Devs/GMs have even taken a few liberties themselves. And, as for just saying its the Goonswarms mindset that, its fun to grief the new players, or, 'Carebears', trust me, its all the big alliances that are doing, all because they feel its Thier game, and, that ppl must play it the way they want you to play it :(

Some incidents you brought up Bax a isolated IMO. People who are dickheads with women are not attracted to EVE for some reason, it just happens to be that these fools decided  upon EVE. They could easily have decided upon another game.

The thing about some people ganging up because the others gear wasn't good enough to play EVE, again idiots, other games in the genre have a lot of elitists, it is part of this genre. EVE has more of them granted, and the main problem with EVE elitists is that they don't just think they are better at the game, they reckon EVE is a measure of intelligence which just further heightens their pathetic feeling of superiortity. On that note I just need to say EVE is harder than other games in the genre, but that doesn't say much.

As for griefing individual players, it is lame. I never kill a guy twice in a day let alone a few hours, or repeatedly. I think that is something that you can get help from the in game mods though?

Killing carebears is part of the game, we are allowed to do it, IMO as long as you do it without..

A) Smacking in local

B) Hitting the same guy repeatedly (I mean you can if you want, but in High-sec the amount of targets I see when I fly through in my money making alt is a joke, no need for it).

Then you are fine in my books, Goonswarm are well within their rights to do what they are doing.

The general thing with Goonswarm right overhyped anyway. It is a bit like the media trying to make you think you will get stabbed or mugged the minute you are outside at night in London, or go on a night bus, and they overhype 1 incident constantly for weeks.

No offense to anyone here, but if you play with half a brain, most times your not going to get blown up.  It isn't hard to watch your overview, or even local if you know an active pirate corp is about.  Autopilot is got to be the #1 cause of deaths.  So don't go afk, easy fix.  High sec can't have warp bubbles, or anything that can prevent you from landing 1-2k off a gate.  Granted, for some of the bigger ships, warping to the next gate may take a bit, but if your in that big of a ship, a few extra seconds can't be the factor in life or death.  As far as smacktalk, I can agree that I see it alot more then I used to back a few years ago, but does someone's else's retarted statement about being better then you, or stfu, or whatever it is the "leet" terms that are used matter.  If i worried what others called me, i'd be dead by now.  Honestly, most games seem to be this way anymore, everyone talks horrible, puts others down, makes fun and harasses.  Just so happens in eve, that it is completely PVP open, and therefore the next step in harassment is griefing.  Is it bad, not really.  Again, if your smart, these things never bother you.

I could not agree more with the original poster.  I've played this game on and off for 4'ish years.  The game play, graphics, and depth are truely awesome.  The community, however, is filled with vicious, cruel, gang-like thugs.  Not everybody is like this but there are enough to ruin the experience for the majority of us.

Look at the World of Warcraft community for the stats.  How many people prefer to play on their PvP servers?  Not many.  The majority of people don't enjoy non-consenual PvP.  CCP is a good company but they don't seem to get this fact.  They actually encourage this type of behavior inspite of the fact that the majority of Eve players who quit, quit for this very reason.

I know what the typical Eve response would be to this post.  Don't play the game then!  Well that's just a shame.  I WANT to play Eve.  I love the game and every aspect of it except the thugs who justify their behavior as "it's just part of the game!".

I'm all for risk in the game.  I don't mind if a pirate corners me and demands my cargo or ransoms me.  Unfortunately it's devolved way beyond that.  Now they kill you because they're bored.  Then they pod you because they can.  The game has become a haven for people like that...

It is a game ffs. Why shouldn't people destroy your ship if they are bored and pod you? Why not, what is so wrong with that, people losing their precious digital ships and crying like brats because they were too stupid to take precautions which would stop that, those peopl should not play this game

And you talk uttter rubbish about WoW servers, pvp servers have plenty of people on them, the majority of them were full and most needed server transfers or creation of new servers which themselves are now full.

Simple fact is EVE is a game which is pvp, anywhere anytime, there are consequences in high sec, but if the carebear population are too thick to take precaution (And I mean very stupid, because it is not hard it is common sense), then they may die. People coming on to the forums demanding the game change to suit them should go elsewhere, there are plenty of games offering no-risk.

'cruel thugs' grow up, have you heard yourself? It is a game get over it. If you are so stubborn as to not accept the game you say you love, and not to get some common sense to avoid being ganked in high sec, then you should not play it.

And if you are ganked in your uber battleship whil ratting by bored pirates? You have no money for a new ship? Sympathy? No, you shouldn't (goes for everyone), be flying in a ship you cannot replace, learn the hard way.

The majority of whiners are just pathetic individuals who want everything made nice and easy and risk free. I can reflect that on society as a whole tbh.

Thank you.  I believe you've made my point quite well. 

Well said Mercader.  Well said.  If you love eve, then you love everything it stands for, everything that has been for years.  I will personally go out on a limb here and say I'm a carebear.  I roam high-sec, never enter low sec or 0.0.  I do mining, missions, and even do production and trade work.  The conflicts are there, most of the time.  We have 2 or 3 corps around where I'm at who try and mess with my corp a good bit, either via smacktalking, or coming out and stealing ore.  We have had one set attempt sadly to gank us, but they weren't prepared for us to be tanked well enough to have it take long enough for concord to show up.  It has been the way of EvE life for years.  No need to change it.  You have to keep it interesting, or there is no reason to play.

Saw that little one liner coming. Wrong.

This is a game, you are overreacting, calling people 'thugs' for destroying your internet spaceship.

Next point, you fail to understand that it is part of the game mechanic for players to be able to blow people up if they want, they take the consequences of that. People should never and will never be allowed to be immune from pvp, you think you love this game, but you want to change the most fundamental aspect of it because you dont like it?

You don't like this game you like the idea of a space MMORPG and as no other softer version is out, like many, you play EVE 'on and off', and tend to make up the loud whinging majority, who, being selfish and requiring everything to be made easy and risk free, need to cry until EVERY game on the market tailored for them.

I was calling the carebears pathetic, the whingers pathetic, they are unwilling to even try to adapt to survive (not hard in high-sec) for the game they mostly claim to love. You jmwiens are a prime example of that. And in  the general pathetic nature of whingers such as yourself you call me a 'thug'. Laughable.

Re-read what you posted and get back to me.

Originally posted by Wagrof

Coming back to EvE after a longer break - i don't recognise my old game anymore.

It has degenerated somehow, there is so much hate and anger everywhere.

People curse each other in local, 2 years old veterans ganking miners in highsec for no real reason, except for the grief itself.  I witnessed today like a rather new player, only some months in game, lost his his first mining barge, which he safed for quite a while,  in a 0.5, according to the convo in local, the attacker, a senior eve player, didn't gain anything, he just did it for the laugh.  Where has the maturity gone, wasn't this once a game with an average player age of 27 ??

So much hate on the forums, ranting, trolling, so much bitterness.

I don't understand, what happened to EvE ? Why all that negative vibes all of a sudden ?

Really sad to see what happens here.

or maybe you were in a low sec corp back then that had hi standards of conduct, next to none exist today.