Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

Originally posted by BigMango

 

Originally posted by Adamantine 

 

Originally posted by BigMango

The game doesn't even have proper shadows and water reflections, etc...  

OMG you're right, this game must suck. Imagine that ! No shadows and water reflections ! The horror ! I cant spent my time looking at the screen watching shadowns and water reflections ! Seriously, what else can you do in a MMO ???

 

Just for the record, Vanguard has natural sight distances. THAT is a feature that matters to me, and that really gives me a feeling of realism.

Now Anti-Aliasing is a different problem, I would love to have that too.

 

 

 

Who said the game "must suck"? Why do you now need to act like a troll, putting words in my mouth I didn't use? I was just commenting on someone saying VG had the best graphics in mmos. Nothing more, nothing less.

In an MMORPG (<- do you see the words "RPG" here ?) I am first looking for a beautiful world to discover and immerse myself into. Then, I am looking for game play. Of course both are needed.

If I were only looking for gameplay, there are enough f2p mmos that provide some excellent gameplay for free. No need to pay for this. What is supposed to set VG apart from free games is its huge polished open virtual world with activities that makes you feel like your toon lives there, that's why we pay. But... where is the polish after now more than 1 year?

If you want to stretch it, Tetris also has some great gameplay and it doesn't have shadows either. Oh... but Tetris isn't a huge open imersive virtual world, is it?

VG without shadows and antialiasing looks like an unfinished game. The aliasing makes it look clunky and the lack of proper shadows makes it look bland, lacking atmosphere (->immersion). I hope they fix this.

 

I can run vanguard every setting maxed at 1920x1200 and even force 8xQ antialiasing. But i have to force 8x because any lower dosent seem to make a differance but shadows are something i turn off in any game no matter how well my computer runs it for me having a black mirror image of my character running on the ground beside me totally breaks any immersion i feel  its alway so unrealistic in any game Its an eyesore for me dont know how anyone can play a game with that following there character every where they go

Now shadows on everything like you want well it looks good and all but am afraid you and me or anyone else for that matter wouldnt be able to run vanguard with shadows like that.  Shadows are probally the biggest performance hit of any feature in a game.  Guess alls am saying is why put shadows on everything when no one would have the computer to run the game with them on

Originally posted by Kenze

keep hope alive boojiboy! i wish my glasses were as rose colored as yours.

Well, I've tried so many MMORPGs and have been repeatedly disappointed.  I've stuck through the tough times with Vanguard and am now having as much fun as I did in the early years of EQ.  Sure, part of the positive attitude comes from seeing the before and after state of this game... but it's also a shared viewpoint of many folks that are really having a good time in Vanguard.

Vanguard might well lose a good chunk of its PvP crowd when AoC comes out, particularly since the devs have admitted that they're not even looking at any PvP issues at the moment and won't for the foreseeable future.  And they might lose more  PvP'ers when WAR finally launches, but otherwise VG is in the same boat as MxO, Planetside, and the other games in the SOE stable-- it's got a mostly loyal playerbase that aren't leaving because they've made friends in the game, and it meets their standards for a fun game.

Vanguard's not so much a dying game as it is one that is finally settling into its niche. Like any other MMO, it will gain and lose players, but since SOE don't have a track record of shutting down games, it will survive and float along on its merry way.

Originally posted by boojiboy

Moreover, despite your assertion that GU5 is nowhere in site even though it's front page news on VGplayers and is also on test....

GU6 looks pretty darn good too... Maybe June/July.

High Probability

1. Character Customization
2. Isle of Dawn - Free Trial package for interested non-subscribers for levels 1-10
3. Racial Weapons, Armor and Fun items
4. Class Revamp - Cleric, Shaman, Disciples, Rangers
5. Raid Dungeon
6. Fishing
7. Galleons - If it doesn't make GU5
8. Default Graphic User Interface Upgrade - If it doesn't make GU5.

Point here is, a dying game just doesn't get the type of attention and investment that Vanguard is receiving.

And in terms of time frame GU5 is not fully on Test yet (Ellyra says the current Test notes are only a preview of GU5), will be at least May of not June when the update hits Live. There is no way GU6 makes it live before August at the earliest.

Im not trying to be a jerk here but cmon, lets keep it real

Originally posted by Lidane

Vanguard might well lose a good chunk of its PvP crowd when AoC comes out, particularly since the devs have admitted that they're not even looking at any PvP issues at the moment and won't for the foreseeable future.  And they might lose more  PvP'ers when WAR finally launches, but otherwise VG is in the same boat as MxO, Planetside, and the other games in the SOE stable-- it's got a mostly loyal playerbase that aren't leaving because they've made friends in the game, and it meets their standards for a fun game.

Vanguard's not so much a dying game as it is one that is finally settling into its niche. Like any other MMO, it will gain and lose players, but since SOE don't have a track record of shutting down games, it will survive and float along on its merry way.

Originally posted by FischerBlack

Originally posted by Lidane

Vanguard might well lose a good chunk of its PvP crowd when AoC comes out, particularly since the devs have admitted that they're not even looking at any PvP issues at the moment and won't for the foreseeable future.  And they might lose more  PvP'ers when WAR finally launches, but otherwise VG is in the same boat as MxO, Planetside, and the other games in the SOE stable-- it's got a mostly loyal playerbase that aren't leaving because they've made friends in the game, and it meets their standards for a fun game.

Vanguard's not so much a dying game as it is one that is finally settling into its niche. Like any other MMO, it will gain and lose players, but since SOE don't have a track record of shutting down games, it will survive and float along on its merry way.

I think it is a misstatement saying the developers are not even looking at PvP.  Here is the latest post from Silius on the subject:

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=31131&#365075

Bascially they are still working on class balancing and this effort will improve the PvP game.  Once that is accomplished the PvP development effort will re-evaluated.

I read Silius' post as saying : We are balancing DPS, and that if that happens to iron out some PvP stuff well cool but if not we'll think about it later"

Which  I think is a good use of limited resources. VG's selling point is a top quality PvE experience, I really don't think it would be clever to try and compete in the PvP space against AoC and WAR. Imo the battle for PvPers cannot be won by VG, but the PvE content is unique and deep and provides a higher marginal return on Dev time.

Originally posted by boojiboy

Moreover, despite your assertion that GU5 is nowhere in site even though it's front page news on VGplayers and is also on test....

GU6 looks pretty darn good too... Maybe June/July.

 

 

 

High Probability

1. Character Customization
2. Isle of Dawn - Free Trial package for interested non-subscribers for levels 1-10
3. Racial Weapons, Armor and Fun items
4. Class Revamp - Cleric, Shaman, Disciples, Rangers
5. Raid Dungeon
6. Fishing
7. Galleons - If it doesn't make GU5
8. Default Graphic User Interface Upgrade - If it doesn't make GU5.

Point here is, a dying game just doesn't get the type of attention and investment that Vanguard is receiving.

I thought that the "Isle of Dawn" was originally supposed to be in GU4, and was going to be live by now. I thought this was a key prerequisite for the free trial and relaunch originally proposed to happen by the end of 2007. Now it is a hypothetical item to be in GU6. This suggests to me that there really aren't the resources available to turn things around in the near future.

Oh, and if anyone is spending time on developing fishing, there really is a prioritization problem.

Originally posted by FischerBlack

 

Originally posted by boojiboy

Moreover, despite your assertion that GU5 is nowhere in site even though it's front page news on VGplayers and is also on test....

GU6 looks pretty darn good too... Maybe June/July.

 

 

 

High Probability

1. Character Customization
2. Isle of Dawn - Free Trial package for interested non-subscribers for levels 1-10
3. Racial Weapons, Armor and Fun items
4. Class Revamp - Cleric, Shaman, Disciples, Rangers
5. Raid Dungeon
6. Fishing
7. Galleons - If it doesn't make GU5
8. Default Graphic User Interface Upgrade - If it doesn't make GU5.

Point here is, a dying game just doesn't get the type of attention and investment that Vanguard is receiving.

Please show me any scrap of evidence to support the notion that a brand new raid dungeon (and i mean dungeon, not some overland rubbish mob) is being worked on. APW was being focus tested for MONTHS by guilds like Pain and BoW before it went live, and it was being chatted about for months before the testing started.

 

And in terms of time frame GU5 is not fully on Test yet (Ellyra says the current Test notes are only a preview of GU5), will be at least May of not June when the update hits Live. There is no way GU6 makes it live before August at the earliest.

Im not trying to be a jerk here but cmon, lets keep it real

 

The has been a lot of chatter, and for awhile now.  Avarem recently stated on one of the New Raid Dungeon Threads:

"The next raid dungeon won't be Stiirhad (although yes, Stiirhad will be a raid dungeon), but it also won't be the 'RI remake'. It will be a dungeon that has yet to be seen by the general public. I won't say any more for now, but I think a handful of people did get summoned inside for the end of beta event, so there might be a few screenshots floating around."

So they are working on it, but won't tell people where it is.  Stiirhad will be a raid dungeon, but it's not the NEXT raid dungeon.  The devs discussed it some in their chat (looking for it now - also looking for those screen-shots).  So as far as what it will be, is still speculation, but one of the prominent 'theories' is that is the raid content only accessed via a Galleon.

So, it's clear it is in the works.  What is not clear is exactly when.

By the way, Stiirhad reminds me ALOT of Veeshan's Peak.  When converted to a Raid dungeon, that will be an absolutely incredible experience.