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Originally posted by beatbox

I saw an E3 interview and i saw the game was moving towards standard close combat fights. I was really dissapointed by the graphics too, i remember a matrix mod for hl that was pretty good. What's MATRIX without weapons with bullets , bullet time, and fancy dives to avoid bullets behind cover?

TMO could have been a much better game , i think it's not gonna be a big hit, since it's not a fps. They turned it into a soul caliber/tekken like mmo combat game. Only deceptions here.

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Originally posted by beatbox

Weapons, bullet time in a 3rd person MMO combat just sickens me.

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Grand Theft Auto: Vice City was a marvelous game... except for the 3rd person gunfights.  Thinking back, those were just aweful; half the time you'd get in some position where the camera was all screwed up and wouldn't point towards who you were shooting at.  Then other times, it would get hung up on a nearby building and wig out.  I eagerly await a full, first person MMORPG.

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When you see a new MMORPG, honestly think to yourself: "Is this game designed to EARN my $15 per month subscription with content, originality, and long-term value, or is it just designed to SCAM me out of $50 when I buy the box at the store with flashy advertising, biased reviews, and empty promises?"

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Originally posted by beatbox

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Originally posted by BigPeeler
you make no sense... you complain its not going to have guns/Bullet Time, then when i tell you it does you say it "sickens" you... oh and btw... just because its not an FPS doesnt mean its gonna flop =/... i personally think its gonna be a fairly big hit (not one of the biggest... but still fairly big)...

 

Ok, i was talking about HL matrix mod, did you ever play Action half-life too? you could dive and make great acrobaties in fps, i was refering to this when i said 'what's matrix without bullet time, weapons , and diving behind cover IN A FPS CONTEXT, sheesh , read between lines. 

It might not be a flop , but i lost interest into it, totally, that's my opinion.

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Originally posted by Rikimaru_X
Did you know that we have a forum for The Matrix Online?

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Originally posted by beatbox
Weapons, bullet time in a 3rd person MMO combat just sickens me.

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I think that "bullet time" in 3rd person could be fine if the devs doing Matrix Online take a look at a great game called Max Payne, (not that their bullet time system should be exactly like that, but for inspiration). I always think its unfair to say that a game is going to be crap before it comes out. I think if MO can bring new things to the table "combat" wise, it will do good throughout its career, I mean it doesnt have to worry about developing a storyline, since it has a strong one going anyway.

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Originally posted by tummbler
hey, I've seen the matrix online on this site for a longg time, but i never really looked into it until a couple days ago. One word, "awesome"! it comes out in november for sure. (lol, one of the few mmorpgs which actually has a certain release date) the graphics look outstanding and the gameplay seems to be one of a kind. look into it at its website, www.thematrixonline.com

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 Sorry guy, but MO does not have a release date. It might have an intended release date. Every major MMORPG has had an announced release date heheh. But until the game actually releases, until players are actually playing it, it is still in vaporware stage.

 Unlike SWG, and WoW, MO will not further expand the player base in the MMORPG industry. It will end up trying to cannibalize existing players from AO, SWG, and maybe EvE. There is no real fanbase around the Matrix movies. BTW the movies are very loosly based on the real life Matrix book series. Matrix V is the most recent book. (In fact, I'm half way through reading it heheh.) "Fans" of the Matrix book series are definatly NOT gamers. LOL! They are people questioning real life polics, world events, etc...

 IMHO Matrix Online will fail. It will be lucky to make it to release. It will not make it past 1 year of release. I do not say this out of dislike for the game. I say this after looking for any angles MO has for it vs the state of the rest of the MMORPG market. The only thing that might "save" MO is coming up with as many new game features, and game mechanics, that are differet  than what other MMORPGs have and offer.

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Originally posted by rentantilus
My prediction:  The Matrix Online is going to be released and quickly blast to the top of the charts (at least here on www.mmorpg.com), selling tons of copies, just like City of Heroes did. 

  Being voted number 1 on some gamesite game charts means nothing. It is the number of accounts a game has that matters. I will go even further than you and say MO will never meet the MMORPG industry standard defining a successful MMORPG = having 100,000 accounts. Will MO even get 50,000 accounts? IMHO no way. It will fail. It should just be made as a stand alone RPG, or even RTS game. It would definatly succeed then. MO lasting 5 years? Heheh LOL!

Also, just like City of Heroes, that market enthusiasm will fade just as rapidly. 

 CoH is still a brand new MMORPG. It has not even made it to its 1 year annaversary yet. Because it is a MMORPG, it can be constantly tweaked, changed, added to, and made better. CoH still has a chance to be a successful MMORPG. It has not been "sentanced" yet. I agree with you that one of the biggest angles CoH has is that it is not more of the "same old same old", another conveyor belt game. Another fantasy-themed/Tolkien-themed/D&D- themed game with more Elves, Swords, magic, sorcery, etc....

  The same goes for Matrix Online; kudos for breaking from the fantasy grind.  However, a popular science fiction title IS NOT ENOUGH to make a good game,

  The move Matrix is very loosly based on the real life book series. Matrix 1, 2, 3, 4, and the most recent Matrix book : Matrix 5. The matrix movies also took every action sequence from Hong Kong movies, INCLUDING the idea of "bullet time". It was used and done for years in Asian movies. Next, your kudos should go to Anarchy Online for being the first to break the fantasy "grind". (A better word than grind would be mold.) AO proved that a sci-fi MMORPG could be successful. Edge of Chaos, JumpGate, EvE, and SWG continued proving it.

just look at SWG.  It's based on perhaps the most popular science fiction franchise of all time, and it's a retarded piece of crap, basically just Star Wars skins and recycled John Williams music draped over the same old class/level/grind system.  How about some originallity?

   Now you are going completly off topic. Stick to talking about MO. And to set you straight because you are posting too much incorrect info:

  Star Wars is one of the most popular Sci-Fi franchises. Dune, Star Trek, V, Flash Gordon, and even Battlestar Galactica, all have close to the success of SW, and even as much success as Star Wars. You call SWG names. MO would be lucky if it has anywhere near the success of SWG. YOU would be lucky if you could make a game with 300,000 plus accounts paying and playing! No matter how much names you call SWG, the fact remains SWG is a successful MMORPG. It has now been out for 1 year and 1 month. It has re-couped all investment money, and is about to turn a true profit. It has met the industry standard for the definition of a successful MMORPG. It is not only successful, it is a runaway success.

  1. When did you last play SWG? What was your character name? Under what name did you post on the offical forums?

  2. How long did you play SWG? On what server name?

  3. Did you join any PA's? What was the name?

   There are no levels in SWG. A 1 week old player has a chance to kill a 1 year old player. Anyone who has not played SWG within the past 3 months is in zero position to comment on how SWG is currently like. Because ALL their information is sorely outdated.

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 A scam is something in which you the customer lose. A scam is something in which the scamer from the getgo intended for you the customer to lose. A scam gives the customer zero chance to get or recieve what they are told they are getting. No MMORPG on purpose intends to jerk customers.

 MMORPGs give FREE trials. Play the free trial to see if the advertised features actually are in the game. If you knew about this you would not have to play $15.oo to subscribe, or $50.oo for the game box. And one never ever goes by what reviews on game sites say. No matter it the review is negative or positive. In the case of MMORPGs the only question to ask is - is it successful enough that it will be around for 1 year to 5 years from now?

 Next, you can always cancel your subscription if you dislike a MMORPG. IF you do find out you dislike a game or MMORPG, it does not mean you got scammed LOL! It means it is not for you. No game will ever please everyone.

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Originally posted by rentantilus

"Grand Theft Auto: Vice City was a marvelous game... except for the 3rd person gunfights.  Thinking back, those were just aweful; half the time you'd get in some position where the camera was all screwed up and wouldn't point towards who you were shooting at.  Then other times, it would get hung up on a nearby building and wig out.  I eagerly await a full, first person MMORPG."

I like how some of you say that the game is going to suck when you have no clue how good it'll actually be at retail...

Originally posted by rentantilus
My prediction:  The Matrix Online is going to be released and quickly blast to the top of the charts (at least here on www.mmorpg.com), selling tons of copies, just like City of Heroes did.  Also, just like City of Heroes, that market enthusiasm will fade just as rapidly.  People are blown away by how awesome CoH's character creation and combat systems are... until they realize that that's ALL the game is.  Make a character, beat up bad guys.  Now, I give CoH it's due props because it's not just another fantasy MMORPG, but still, with just a little content, the game would be unstoppable.  The same goes for Matrix Online; kudos for breaking from the fantasy grind.  However, a popular science fiction title IS NOT ENOUGH to make a good game, just look at SWG.  It's based on perhaps the most popular science fiction franchise of all time, and it's a retarded piece of crap, basically just Star Wars skins and recycled John Williams music draped over the same old class/level/grind system.  How about some originallity?

 

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When you see a new MMORPG, honestly think to yourself: "Is this game designed to EARN my $15 per month subscription with content, originality, and long-term value, or is it just designed to SCAM me out of $50 when I buy the box at the store with flashy advertising, biased reviews, and empty promises?"

Fortune teller or no?

Didn't this came close down or something?

I played it back when it first came out, was fun but got really grindy 10++

The mission system was really fun, and I loved being able to swith my character's abilities if I wanted to take up a different role/harvest data.

Ironic, isn't it? ^_^

I played it in beta... the last patch before release I recall being upset for some reason, and decided not to buy it on release... forget why though. =\

Well CoH is still with us and MO has folded, so he is not replacing the Oracle in my eyes. ;)