Star Wars Galaxies

You know what, and I really mean no offense by this guys, but I call BS on this one. Over a month ago I offered to pay for an attorney and had no takers. I did the same today and not one comment. I've already shown legal precedence in this case, but I'm ignored.

Sorry guys but I've been honest with you all, brutally honest, about my situation and profession. I've been patient and tried to educate and let us ex-players have some focus. I've even offered my own money, which seems to be in shorter suppy every month. I just can't do it anymore. I can no longer try to be the voice of reason to the deaf. This is one vet who's had enough of the hate and I just can't justify coming here anymore. Good luck guys, you'll need it...

Dracis Draconian ( and Dreen/Dagothos/Darla/Dooncan), formerly of Euro-Chimaera, signing off.

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Originally posted by miagisan
soe haters just need something to complain about. if the nge never happened i GUARANTEE you they would find something else to be hating

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My friends consider me overly optimistic and wonder why I am so happy, given the state of the earth and such. I never posted on a forum like this until the CU/NGE; I was happily playing the game and defending it for all its flaws to others.

Instead of using erzatz psychoanalysis, it is much better to actually REASON with your opponents.

Otherwise, it is YOU who can't get over things, since all YOU are relying on is personal attacks and not reason.

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Originally posted by miagisan

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by miagisan
so then post this is every other forum which has made changes or alterations to a game, profession, skill, nerf etc.
Gameplay may change, regardless of what was done or how, things change and it cannot be legally attacked. They use this broad terminology for a reason. Gameplay can mean anything from adding/deleting a class/profession, skill changes, expansions, graphics engines, etc. Basically they are saying anything can change at any given moment.

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That's a false argument. It's not about making changes to a game, but about making changes to a game beyond a reasonable person's expectations. that hasn't happened since the NGE, and everything that has come close, has been compared with the NGE, The NGE is now the standard and the rule of what NOT to do.
They may be "saying" they can change it at any moment; but they can't, and don't, thanksto the NGE and the viral marekting surrounding it.

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no where does it state a statute of limitations of how far a game can change. Every company which offers some sort of service puts in these clauses....even the federal government. If you have ever read an ASTM guideline manual, OSHA regulation, EPA limitations....they all contain similar language in regards to standards, testing, agreements.
For example OSHA has a specific set of standards which all air monitoring must be done in. BUT, there is a statute within the clause that allows for changes in the standard due to testing and new technology, so that every few months these standards for indoor air quality testing does not need to be rewritten. Do i see OSHA being sued over the way this occurs or how many people are affected and or quality of said testing. No. There legal jargon within provides a nice loophole. So if a standard 10 years ago was approved by said regulatory company, but by todays standards it would be considered cancer causing....OSHA cannot be sued unless they are found guilty of INTENTIONAL harm.

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all non negotiated (and negotiated) contracts are subject to a reasonable person standard, to be determined and settled by case law over time. This is a very young industry. Watch and learn. We'll chat in a few decades.

For now, I am quite satisfied with market discipline, but "anything" does not go in EULAs.

Just to clarify my reasoning for this thread: It happens to be a response to something posted recently by someone claiming that no wrong was done in the case of the NGE.  Their "proof" of this was the lack of legal action taken against SOE.

I'm suggesting that the lack of legal action that is publicly known has a much better explanation than "no wrong was done."

It's a discussion thread, not a hate thread.

It's also not about losing a video game, it's about providing customers with a service that was advertised and paid for.  Another service was then delivered.  This could be about your cable or satelite televisions service, your telephone package or any other entertainment and communication service.

It's about industry standards and consumer rights.  It also happens to be relevant to the current discussions on MMO companies' EULAs.  FYI :)

Originally posted by Dracis

You know what, and I really mean no offense by this guys, but I call BS on this one. Over a month ago I offered to pay for an attorney and had no takers. I did the same today and not one comment. I've already shown legal precedence in this case, but I'm ignored.

Sorry guys but I've been honest with you all, brutally honest, about my situation and profession. I've been patient and tried to educate and let us ex-players have some focus. I've even offered my own money, which seems to be in shorter suppy every month. I just can't do it anymore. I can no longer try to be the voice of reason to the deaf. This is one vet who's had enough of the hate and I just can't justify coming here anymore. Good luck guys, you'll need it...

Dracis Draconian ( and Dreen/Dagothos/Darla/Dooncan), formerly of Euro-Chimaera, signing off.

yes i hate the fanbois and fanbots

i want our game back? remember our game? the one that got stolen by the dev's who think they know what is best for our game. i hate them for taking it they stole 2 years of my life and my money. they stole the joy of being a jedi or going out and grinding. they stole the fun of weekend long pvp events.

and it is not just $OE i hate too. i hate the fanbois who back them and tell us we should get over it. they are the ones that need to get over the fact that the nge swg sucks and no one likes it. i hate blizzard and the other devs who think making some easy to play mmo is what us vets want. i hate microsoft and nintendo for turning the home gaming market into a place for 14 year old kids who think they are gang members flock with titles that are boring and too easy to play and cost way too much.

i want the gaming we had back. i want hard games back i want our swg back. and i hate smed and the rest of the devs and his mindless fanboi retards who tell us we need to get over it.

i want all of them run out of town so they can go back to watching mtv. and i want our gaming and our swg back. and i know we will get that back. getting pre-cu swg back will be the message to the devs and fanbois and it will say we are sick of your idea of gaming. us vets run the show not them.

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Just to clarify my reasoning for this thread: It happens to be a response to something posted recently by someone claiming that no wrong was done in the case of the NGE.  Their "proof" of this was the lack of legal action taken against SOE.

I'm suggesting that the lack of legal action that is publicly known has a much better explanation than "no wrong was done."

It's a discussion thread, not a hate thread.

It's also not about losing a video game, it's about providing customers with a service that was advertised and paid for.  Another service was then delivered.  This could be about your cable or satelite televisions service, your telephone package or any other entertainment and communication service.

It's about industry standards and consumer rights.  It also happens to be relevant to the current discussions on MMO companies' EULAs.  FYI :)

The following links might intrest you and others perhaps>

Jumping Through EULA Hoops ("Unconscionable" is a legal term used to void contracts that are unfair to one party because of the other party's superior bargaining power. By my reading, that makes end-user license agreements (EULAs) unenforceable.)

EULA Analyzer Beta Version 1.1 ( A cool (and free!) application called EULA Analyzer lets you drag and drop any EULA legalese into its Analyzer, which will scan the text for key phrases)

Dangerous Terms: A User's Guide to EULAs (We've all seen them – windows that pop up before you install a new piece of software, full of legalese. To complete the install, you have to scroll through 60 screens of dense text and then click an "I Agree" button. Sometimes you don't even have to scroll through to click the button. Other times, there is no button because merely opening your new gadget means that you've "agreed" to the chunk of legalese.)

Backup Service EULAs Warrant a Closer Look ( It comes as no surprise when you read a EULA to see it disclaims all warranties and excludes all damages. But one reader recently got to thinking about this in regards to the online backup services he was evaluating for purchase. Since backup vendors are in the reliability business, would the good ones perhaps be less prone to disclaiming all responsibility?)

OMG... ok  here is the thing  if you feel like  you got riped off or that you are legally  in the right to what ever complaint  you have....... well your not!!!!!  here is why... you are not buying THE product when you purchase a game you are buying the Right to use said product and in doing so they have the right to take that away sence legally they still own everything about it.  They have the RIGHT to do what ever they wish with the product change it however they want..... because its still theres

edit: For the record i didnt like SWG before NGE and i didnt like it  after.

Originally posted by iwantmyswg

 

Originally posted by Dracis

You know what, and I really mean no offense by this guys, but I call BS on this one. Over a month ago I offered to pay for an attorney and had no takers. I did the same today and not one comment. I've already shown legal precedence in this case, but I'm ignored.

Sorry guys but I've been honest with you all, brutally honest, about my situation and profession. I've been patient and tried to educate and let us ex-players have some focus. I've even offered my own money, which seems to be in shorter suppy every month. I just can't do it anymore. I can no longer try to be the voice of reason to the deaf. This is one vet who's had enough of the hate and I just can't justify coming here anymore. Good luck guys, you'll need it...

Dracis Draconian ( and Dreen/Dagothos/Darla/Dooncan), formerly of Euro-Chimaera, signing off.

yes i hate $OE

 

yes i hate the fanbois and fanbots

i want our game back? remember our game? the one that got stolen by the dev's who think they know what is best for our game. i hate them for taking it they stole 2 years of my life and my money. they stole the joy of being a jedi or going out and grinding. they stole the fun of weekend long pvp events.

and it is not just $OE i hate too. i hate the fanbois who back them and tell us we should get over it. they are the ones that need to get over the fact that the nge swg sucks and no one likes it. i hate blizzard and the other devs who think making some easy to play mmo is what us vets want. i hate microsoft and nintendo for turning the home gaming market into a place for 14 year old kids who think they are gang members flock with titles that are boring and too easy to play and cost way too much.

i want the gaming we had back. i want hard games back i want our swg back. and i hate smed and the rest of the devs and his mindless fanboi retards who tell us we need to get over it.

i want all of them run out of town so they can go back to watching mtv. and i want our gaming and our swg back. and i know we will get that back. getting pre-cu swg back will be the message to the devs and fanbois and it will say we are sick of your idea of gaming. us vets run the show not them.

Nice speech. I actually agree with a fair portion of it.

But your not getting your SWG back.

That boat has s