Originally posted by Gidion

 

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Originally posted by Greek_Matt

 

Course it is. Can you imagine trying to download a beta client as huge as AoC through anyhting less than a dedication professional download site?

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Torrent?!?

Yes torrent, like others game do. I.ex WoW uses torrent for everything, even game patches downloads and it works perfectly. And wow is millions of players, not only 50k.

No, the matter at hand here is 15$ x 50'000 keys = 750'000$ cash. 

I spot a trend here/

Open Beta - pay to get in

Early entry - pay to get in

I wonder what other micro transactions are waiting for us?

Although if it is a true "open" beta the NDA will be lifyed on May 1st and if it really that bad people will be able to post on here.If the NDA is still in place then it isn't open at all.

Originally posted by BigMango

 

Originally posted by Gidion

 

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Originally posted by Greek_Matt

 

Course it is. Can you imagine trying to download a beta client as huge as AoC through anyhting less than a dedication professional download site?

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Torrent?!?

 

Yes torrent, like others game do. I.ex WoW uses torrent for everything, even game patches downloads and it works perfectly. And wow is millions of players, not only 50k.

No, the matter at hand here is 15$ x 50'000 keys = 750'000$ cash. 

 

It's a scam. plain and simple.

Yes, other games have used services like FP for distribution, but as far as I recall, not limited to paid subscribers.

Originally posted by Brynn

You can be a member of  Fileplanet without buying into their subscription plan. I know because I'm a member and I don't pay a fee.

Yes, but you wont be eligible to download or get a beta key. It requires a founders club membership (i.e. paid).

The payment is good. It's not expensive, but require a CC... Hopefully that will keep all the 15-year old kids out of the game, and people will actually do some beta testing. (even if it's "open beta")

  I m full support paid Beta , its 7.00 monthly to download from Fileplanet , I believe someone said its 60 cent a user to download , the fee to goes to bandwith , staff and a fee to paid to the game developer for letting them use the content.

     I dont see the problem , Open Beta = Open Public , thier is new barrier for you joining Fileplanet access, and downloading the client , but a fee of 7.00 for 30 gig client. Someone has to pay for it , even with Ad support on Fileplanet , they need to make money off you folks.

  Personally I like it better when they make you pay for the full client to get early access. But most places are offering the pre release content for 5.00 without a promise to buy the full game.

     Also they arent doing this for age protection , Funcom has no age protection on Conan , they wont even submit thier name to things like Net Nanny , and certain senators have visted the game , deem it excessive obscene + easily to access. (which is the same sentate who stired up Priest Online anti violence groups)

     No , I think this ok , you all have to understand its a business , they got development cost and need sometime to make those up , to show investors they got a market big enough to begin an expansion and figure how the size of thier live team.

      Someone has to pony up for beta and bandwith. Me? I m active member Fileplanet for few years now , I normally pay a yearly sub for me and my brother to use it. It comes out to be 3.00 or so a month , I get prime slots in beta (sometimes make good money selling beta codes to people)

Originally posted by Azure77

I believe someone said its 60 cent a user to download , the fee to goes to bandwith , staff and a fee to paid to the game developer for letting them use the content.

     I dont see the problem , Open Beta = Open Public , thier is new barrier for you joining Fileplanet access, and downloading the client , but a fee of 7.00 for 30 gig client. Someone has to pay for it , even with Ad support on Fileplanet , they need to make money off you folks.

     Also they arent doing this for age protection , Funcom has no age protection on Conan , they wont even submit thier name to things like Net Nanny , and certain senators have visted the game , deem it excessive obscene + easily to access. (which is the same sentate who stired up Priest Online anti violence groups)

     No , I think this ok , you all have to understand its a business , they got development cost and need sometime to make those up , to show investors they got a market big enough to begin an expansion and figure how the size of thier live team.

      Someone has to pony up for beta and bandwith. Me? I m active member Fileplanet for few years now , I normally pay a yearly sub for me and my brother to use it. It comes out to be 3.00 or so a month , I get prime slots in beta (sometimes make good money selling beta codes to people)

What you need to realize is that this "bandwidth and server costs" is just maketing spin.

Other games with millions of players (wow, perfect world,... - that's way more than 50k isn't it ?) are letting you download their clients, even game patches, with bittorent. This is peer to peer download if you don't know what it is. Direct download is years old technelogy, today we are in 2008.

I have no problem with paying if things are clear straight up front. What I don't like is being scammed with makteting spin.

To me this sounds much more like "we are not sure about our game, let's cash in on the hype for as long as it lasts...".

One thing is defenitely clear for me after this, I am not pre-ordering. I'll rather wait for the reviews or even better, a game trial.

I made Fileplanet sub only for the AOC beta. I pay 15 $ everymonth for my EQ2 sub, I can afford a little more this month, is not a big problem for me. I feel sorry for the people that actually can't afford it and they may want to do it. I want a taste before taking a decission and Ill have it this way. Im not sure how good the game will be so I prefer paying 9 $ for a taste if I dont like it than 50 $ for a game I may not like.

I may be paying for a beta, but in my side, Im paying for a taste.

Originally posted by Talemire

In order to enter the open beta, you need to be more than a free member. I tried.

http://www.fileplanet.com/subscribe/popup_sub.htm

I repeat, it doesn't cost to be a member of Fileplanet, only if you want to sign up for the subscription.  I do see you have to subscribe to download Conan open beta, and I agree that should be free, but for a fast download it may be worth the cost to be able to try out the game to see if you would like it.  There are three other sites to download from to  check to see if they charge.

And, you won't get the full download because you can't get past level 13, meaning a small island.

Typical , doing so called pseudo open betas through fp.Its just a proof to what Ive been hearing from friends testing the game that its crap.Im definitely not going to buy another mmorpg in dark this time as well

I really can't blame people anymore for not wanting to buy a game until they see how well it does after release. I've been sorry a few times myself. I like to be a beta tester, it decides for me. I was in Tabula Rasa beta and decided not to buy the game when the devs took all the fun out of it. I and other testers all told them they were wrong, but since when do devs listen. Anyway, I will be preordering Conan.

/bleh

 As much as I hate to have to pay to play open beta , 8 bucks isnt much. It outweighs my alternatives at this point. For the love of god (crom) , I could not win any damn contest :/.

Originally posted by adrianemery

I spot a trend here/

Open Beta - pay to get in

Early entry - pay to get in

 

I wonder what other micro transactions are waiting for us?

Although if it is a true "open" beta the NDA will be lifyed on May 1st and if it really that bad people will be able to post on here.If the NDA is still in place then it isn't open at all.

As far as the open beta issue, that's still a bunch of garbage.  And yes, I'm concerned that they might wind up going RMT at some point.  They don't seem to have any issues changing the rules halfway through. 

Good! I am glad you have to shell out $15 for a FP membership. I did it for the Battlefield Bad Company Beta and so I don't have to do it again. I'll be good for Betas for a year. This weeds out the 10 year olds who are already throwing fits about a monthly subscription to play the game. If beta isn't worth $15 wait for the damn game to come out.

I'm not dishing out cash for nothing until I play the trial.  I'm not making the same stupid mistake I did with Vanguard and its hype.  

Since they decided to severly limit open beta, and on top of that make it where you need a paid sub for fileplanet spells bad business practice. Umm Vanguard sucked Rhino testes but I recall them having a open and free beta (limited to I think 50,000 keys but more were given out over time) through fileplanet thought you did not have to be a paid member of fileplanet and the game sucked ass. I don't get how Funcom has such a next gen and terrific product yet they are severly limiting who can try it out. To me it spells out "This game blows chunks". I kind of figured with all of the hype, too much hype leads to bad products.

AoC is 18+.

Fileplanet requires a credit card to pay, thus you must either be 18+ or sucker your parent into forking over their credit card.

It's just a way to make sure that the people who are in the open beta are either 18 or have their parent's permission to use the credit card.

If you want a cheaper way to try out the game, put $5 down on a pre-order, get the code for early access, and you'll have 10 days for $5 and won't be limited to how high you can level.

Yes it's annoying, especially since it's an "open beta." But they need to cover their asses so that parents can't win a lawsuit against FC if their 13 year old child manages to get a key (this way, if the kid does get a key, it's the parent's fault for letting them use the credit card).

having to have a paid account on FP has nothing to do with funcom looking for age verification, they couldn't care less if you are 40 or 10. It's all a scam to get  money, nothing else.

Its a scam to help another site make money of which funcom probably get a cut of the take for supplying more fileplanet customers.

I am so bored of free loading whingers.

The vast majority of people moaning about not having a free open beta don't even wanna 'test' anything, they just want a free trial given to them for nothing. Lets be clear, this is not an automatic right as many seem to believe.

There is no, I repeat no, entitlement to trying a pre release trial before buying a game, especially if the dev is sure they have a quality product on their hand. If the game is strong, the pre orders going well, and the media onside, they simply don't need to give anything away. If you do not want to pay to get a little look, then by all means wait until it has been released, read some reviews, talk to your friends, and then buy the frikin game if you still want to.

In other words, do what 90% of other gamers do when they buy a new game.

Nothing is forcing you you sub to FP to play this game, and clearly nothing demands you do so to enjoy the game to it's fullest. Why shouldnt Funcom make a return on the millions, time, and care they have invested in their product?

If you don't want to participate, then just don't.

This whole mentality that you moaners are somehow genetically ordained to get something for nothing is beyond me.