Originally posted by Aragon100

NDA is still in, no date for open beta. Will it be a lag-feast? Will my computer handle the graphics or do i need to buy a new one?

Very little information about the game. Will i be able to try it out before they send my preorder box to me?

If the game dont live up to the hype will you as a preordering customer feel cheated?

And what negative impact will that have to the MMORPG genre?

Is Funcoms treatment of their customers hurting the MMORPG genre?

Are Funcom ripping preordering customers of their hard earned money by not delivering enough information?

Cheers!

Originally posted by Aragon100

 

Originally posted by Realm-Reaper

 

Originally posted by Aragon100

 

Originally posted by Realm-Reaper

 

Originally posted by Aragon100

NDA is still in, no date for open beta. Will it be a lag-feast? Will my computer handle the graphics or do i need to buy a new one?

Very little information about the game. Will i be able to try it out before they send my preorder box to me?

Do you feel cheated as a preordering customer?

I feel fine...

 

I did the pre-order a few weeks back and I am very happy. The thing is AoC will run on almost any rig. It's been proven in BETA. Now I will say that to get the most out of the game from a visual standpoint, the better your rig the more enjoyment you will have.

In the end, you can still have fun playing one badass game no matter what you are running.

 

It will run on every rig you say? Can you give me a quote on that?

Will it run on best possible graphics?

Will it run when you have +200 players onscreen? I havent seen any video of that yet, have you?

lol...

 

Read my post again my little troll. I clealy state almost any rig. I don't purpose you attempt to load AoC onto your Commodore 64. But al the same nice try!

 

Troll?? Im no troll. Im discussing Age of Conan, Funcom. Lets say im not that hyped as you is but i think my questions is very accurate.

And you is telling me it will run on any rig? You mean i should just take your word for it?=)

Troll?? I'm a troll. I'm discussing Age of Conan, Funcom. Let's say I'm not as hyped as you are but I think my questions are very accurate.

And you are  telling me it will run on any rig? You mean I should just take your word for it?

Just thought I'd fix that for you so you would not sound like a troll.

Originally posted by Aragon100

NDA is still in, no date for open beta. Will it be a lag-feast? Will my computer handle the graphics or do i need to buy a new one?

Very little information about the game. Will i be able to try it out before they send my preorder box to me?

If the game dont live up to the hype will you as a preordering customer feel cheated?

And what negative impact will that have to the MMORPG genre?

Is Funcoms treatment of their customers hurting the MMORPG genre?

Are Funcom ripping preordering customers of their hard earned money by not delivering enough information?

To much info about a game in closed beta can hurt a game.   People hear about the unfinished areas, bugs, and the like and think it is going to be the same at release.

It hurts the sale of what otherwise may be a good game.

I think ANYONE that pre-orders a game is accepting the fact that they are taking a gamble.   It is the risk you take for your early ordering freebies.

You do not like the risk?  Don't pre-order.  Funcom is not "ripping off" anyone.  You are taking a gamble and they are letting you.  

Who would be dumb enouph to feel they hafta buy a new rig just to play one game? If you are gonna get a new PC then do it cause you feel it is time to upgrade. To buy it just for a game, before you even have the chance to try the game is a waste of money.  As stated in other posts, the better PC you have the better the game will run on higher settings.

If your PC can't handle it, then perhaps it is time to upgrade PC anyway for future games...n not whine n complain about having to buy a new rig for a game. Or just stick to the older games you enjoy.

@OP
In my opinion feeling cheated before May the 20th is absurd. Funcom has not promised to deliver on any of the points made in the original post, so there simply cannot be any rational feeling of 'cheated'.

I think that the information available is at least satisfactional, of course the more you know the more questions you can rise, so no matter how much info they release there will always be people asking for more. Without a doubt I would like to know more of the game and how it plays and try open beta, however those are not my or anyones rights. Funcom is entitled to release as much (or little) info as they see fit, if you think they have not informed you enough then do not buy the game - it really isn't harder than that... And no amount of whiny posts is going to change it.

There is nothing to really [prove until this NDA ios lifted. 

But OP, do you feel cheated that Darkfall hasn't been released for 7 years?  After all, it is clear you just came here to bash the game for no reason.

Originally posted by Xris375

 

Originally posted by Kayless

 

Originally posted by Aragon100

Is Funcoms treatment of their customers hurting the MMORPG genre?

Are Funcom ripping preordering customers of their hard earned money by not delivering enough information?

What the hell is this supposed to mean?

 

I don't see any of that...

+1 to the troll

 

Is hyping a game and then cashing in on it through preorder before NDA is lifted, OK ?

It's a valid question.

But if the customer doesn't care enough about what they are buying, why should the devs and publishers care ?

I disagree with Aragon on this. The problem isn't that Funcom may or may not cheat their customers, it's that the customers let them. If you are OK with this system, fine - don't come crying Funcom cheated me afterwards. That is why I will never buy a game untested. Perhaps you should as well.

I think gamers have way to big a sense of entitlement. Everyone thinks they should be a tester of some sort as a means to "try the game out." Thats just not the case. I havent played AoC, but im buying it. I could end up regretting it, i could end up very happy.

 There is risk in buying stuff, sometimes you dont get what you paid for, sometimes you get more.

I also think Funcom has done as good as any company ive ever seen at putting out Podcasts and dev diaries answering 99% of the questions I see people asking in these forums but are too lazy to search for.

I also think gamers are reluctant to believe the game isnt made for them, its made to make money. Dont believe me? I found it quite interesting Warhammer waited until a week or so AFTER thier pre orders went for sale before annoucing they wont be released until xmas.  They had no NDA lift when pre orders were announced, most games dont. Get over it.

I guess im saying there are no sure things in life and games are no different. If you want to be safe with your money wait till release and see what people think. Thats the safest thing to do. I find most gamers just arent willing to do that because they are just too curious. But thats not Funcoms fault.

I feel cheated by Apple. They haven't released the specs to the next generation iPhone and worse they haven't invited me to test one.

It depends on the situation.

If it is a known developer with a good history who is putting out more than a dozen screenshots and some tech demo videos, I'll pre-order.

If it's a nobody/new developer who has never put out a game before, and doesn't feel the need to inform people of the quality of the game via videos showing multiple characters at one time, combat mechanics, UI, etc., they won't get nothing from me 'til I get to play it first or it's released and the reviews by players after the first couple months are good.

Funcom had a bad release with AO, but what they've done with it over the last 7 years, along with the quality of their other non-mmo games, gives me enough faith in their ability as a developer to consider pre-ordering.

Cheated - no, as I did not yet buy the product.

Suspicious - yes, as I don't trust the overhyped titles.

Originally posted by Aragon100

NDA is still in, no date for open beta. Will it be a lag-feast? Will my computer handle the graphics or do i need to buy a new one? I don't like NDA's. At this point we can't know.

Very little information about the game. Will i be able to try it out before they send my preorder box to me? Never do a pre-order, you always have a risk you dont need to have

If the game dont live up to the hype will you as a preordering customer feel cheated? I didn't make a preorder so I cant be cheated, If I buy it, I'll do it knowing what I buy.

And what negative impact will that have to the MMORPG genre? Same as always, people will complain about it, Im used to it, most of threads here are about that.

Is Funcoms treatment of their customers hurting the MMORPG genre? Dont think so

Are Funcom ripping preordering customers of their hard earned money by not delivering enough information? Is your fault if you pre-order, nobody forced you to make it. Dont preorder and you cant be ripped.

Anyway, is not a big deal, just another game. Dont trying to troll, sorry if it sounds like it. Just giving my answers to your questions. :D

I do agree selling unlimited pre-orders and then delaying release is unethical. Profiting off the combination the hype machine and the lack of any decent mmos allows them to get money out of customers who really are just rolling the dice and hoping the game is as good as advertised with limited facts and no product testimonials.

As opposed to what? Selling pre-orders and releasing the product no matter the issues with it, just so as to keep the release date in tact? I'm sure glad that Warhammer got delayed if the developers of said game believed that it could use the extra time. I'm also glad that the AoC developers feel that their game is ready, but an extra delay wouldn't bother me the least.

No-one is forcing you to pre-order. It may come as shocking but if you're not sure about the quality of the game, you better demonstrate some patience and constrain yourself from what amounts to reserving a game box. Since that's what you're basically doing. Since people are entitled to move their pre-order money anywhere they see fit, I don't think they can claim that the have paid anything for any particular game (until they actually receive their copy).

Games are not food. Nothing harmful will happen to you if you don't play this particular game or any game at all. Nothing harmful (well, unless some people have very fragile ego) will happen if somebody starts gaming a couple months later than the release time.

If people feel cheated is because they allowed themselves to be cheated.

It does make you wonder why there isnt open beta - hiding a stinker?

I won't be pre-ordering.

Originally posted by Hairysun

Cheated?  I personally feel fine.  I think Funcom has done a decent job of keeping the fan base informed.  I'm just glad they arn't like those tools over at Adventurine.  They have cheated their player base.......for years now.

~Hairysun~

 

~Hairysun~

That's a non-issue really. They have already announced the open beta months ago. Whether you believe them or not is another matter.
In fact, lets scrap the "open beta" since it's totally inaccurate nowadays and call it marketing launch instead.

My concern is whether:

1. The marketing launch window will be big enough to expose as many people as possible to what the game has to offer at launch, and
2. They will use a big enough amount of servers to avoid the issues that the tech servers experience during the tech tests.

Time will tell I guess.

They are having a semi open beta, and you will be able to find out what you need to know.  A horrible game will have people leaking regardless of the NDA.  Especially if they bring in tens of thousands of people for some kind of open beta soon.  Just relax and let's see what happens.  Theres no need to get all worked up.

Originally posted by Aragon100

NDA is still in, no date for open beta. Will it be a lag-feast? Will my computer handle the graphics or do i need to buy a new one?

Very little information about the game. Will i be able to try it out before they send my preorder box to me?

If the game dont live up to the hype will you as a preordering customer feel cheated?

And what negative impact will that have to the MMORPG genre?

Is Funcoms treatment of their customers hurting the MMORPG genre?

Are Funcom ripping preordering customers of their hard earned money by not delivering enough information?

No, I don't feel cheated.  However, I refuse the buy the pre-order because I just don't know enough about the game and I don't have a real good feeling about the state it's going to be in upon release.  I really hope the game is amazing, but I'm waiting for some real reviews before I lay down the money. 

All this drama about Beta and the assumed right to try before you buy...

As has been said before, there is no implicit right to try a game before you buy it. Why the new generation of gamers think there is is beyond me... When you fancy a going to see a movie do you get to see the first 30mins of it to make sure it's gonna be good? No, of course not, you pays your moneys and takes your chances with the rest of us. A game is no different... read the info, watch the trailers, talk to the people around you, and make a personal choice.

I have been gaming a few years now, both on consoles from the Atari 2600 and the PC from my beloved Spectrum 48k (taking the term 'PC' in  a loose sense that is... hehe),  and I would say probably 90% of the games I have played I bought on the back of reviews and recommendations after the game was released.

Some of these games were great, some have been truly horrible, but thats just the way of things in this hobby. I never blamed a lack of Beta for me spending the money, even when the game was junk., even when I was a kid and didnt have any. I never even assumed there should even be a Beta. I just read info and previews, talked to my friends, and took the chance. More often then not it worked out.

Hell, some of my favourite ever games were just bought straight off the games shop shelf, Everquest included, that I had no info about past what was on the back of the box.

Like someone said before me, the OP is just obviously aggreived that he didnt get into Beta and has now taken it as a personal affront and now has a mission to make AoC look bad for whatever reason.

Rumours from NDA breakers mean nothing to me tbh... They have already proven themselves to be liars by breaking an agreed contract, so why would I trust them now?

Have I pre-ordered? Yep. Will I feel ripped off or betrayed if this games dosent happen to be what I want? Nope. Do I feel Funcom have somehow treated it's fanbase badly? Certainly not.

Quite the opposite tbh.

Originally posted by Gorilla

I feel cheated by Apple. They haven't released the specs to the next generation iPhone and worse they haven't invited me to test one.

If you buy an locked version from US, expecting it to work everywhere in Europe, you might feel even more cheated :)