Darkfall

Originally posted by Shadowoak

 

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

If it came up with anything less than a finished game when several times we were told that it is ready for beta and after 7 years of development then i might just call the devs Scammers.

 

I wasn't talking about this years E3

Just a fantasy really but if that did happen then thats probably how i would react after 5 years of waiting for this game.

Originally posted by Shadowoak

 

 

Believe me, neither the DF devs or fans started this.

Just put aside any fan/not-fan issues for the moment. What Darkfall promises is a very interesting concept loaded with features many players have asked for from other games before. So don#t you think that many of the people who are skeptical/negative towards the conduct of the DF Developers are actually people who -want- to see this game succeed but who are frustrated because they are being fed next to no information/solid facts except the all-present "It will be ready when it's ready, directly to play."?

Seriously, I think many people are just angry because the game promises so much, yet it fails to show anything. Yes yes, I know, they don't owe us anything, but what is their reason to deviate from the "normal" way of developing/publishing a game? Why do they use "Pro" testers (which will only cost money that won't be available for other things) and AI Bots (which no one can tell me are as effective as real people) for testing? Why do they refuse to come to conventions or at least invite credible sources to their studio to show them their game? Why not invite some serious Gaming Magazines and show them at least -something-? Why refuse to show more than just Screenshots and pre-arranged videos?

That's what people like me (and possibly others) ask themselves. I would -like- to see Darkfall come out and be what it promises to be. And if it does, I'll be the first to apologize for doubting the Developers (you can quote me on that if you want :P). But until then, I ask myself the simple question of "Why?"

Originally posted by Shannia

 

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

 

Originally posted by Shannia

 

Originally posted by Xris375

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 

Called passing the grade for proof, and extingishers rumours of vaporware.

 

If DF has got nothing to fear why not go mainstream?? Why not let the public play?

Doesn't matter about bugs or features, its a game in production, final judgement should be on a final product.

 

From the latest dev report;

We welcome the "too good to be true" or the "Darkfall promises everything" ranting about Darkfall because we're in a position to know that we'll offer more than we promise. If we're going to be called anything right before we come out, "too good to be true" is about as good as it gets. We dismiss this kind of ranting though because it's almost never well-intentioned, and often created in a negative effort to boost other games, or they're stunts trying to use the active Darkfall community to fire up their own. It's easy to be cynical: Why should Darkfall work if nobody's ever tried this before? I would think however that this should be a compelling reason to root for it, as many of you do.

Either way, you'll be the final judge of this game by playing it and that's all that matters to us.

 

That is just words, it proves nothing and is just smoke and mirrors.

 

 

No offense Shannia, but you hate AoC and you hate Darkfall, so what exactly do you like?

 

WAR?

 

Cause normally there is a cut and dry group of people who like AoC and people who like Darkfall on these forums and your falling away from both those.

 

-Jive

 

What do you mean I don't like AoC?  I don't like what the devs did to crafting in AoC.  There is no secret about my dislike for Funcom because of it.  That doesn't mean I hate the game.  Darkfall Online on the other hand, I absolutely love the concept.  What I don't like is their "we don't have to prove anything to our fans" mentality.  They assume we all will take their word for how great their game will be just because they say so.  No, put up or shut up is how I feel about that mentality.

Let me make a list of reasons why I don't believe devs until they prove it to us in just the last 18 months.

Dark & Light, Dungeons and Dragons Online, Gods and Heroes:Rome Rising, Hellgate:London, Pirates of the Burning Sea, VanguardSoH, Fury, Tabla Rasa... What do they all have in common?  They all failed to deliver and what was delivered left a lot to be desired and they are all paying for it now with crap subscription numbers or out of business entirely.

In the same 18 month period, let's see who delivered a quality game.

Lord of the Rings Online (I'm shocked to admit it, but Turbine made a winner.)

 

So you will be playing AoC at launch then right?

I didnt know your post history, and after your other post about a delay i thought you were a troll of some odd sorts, but now i see you just have a gripe with the devs.

Kinda like I have a dripe with the Darkfall Devs for this reason. They say:

"We dont have to prove anything cause when people play the game thats what counts!"

Then why show the game at all!!?!?

Why not just wait out the 7 years, and just release what info you have right now, instead of building people up for 7 years.

Take the Bioware MMO for example, you know why its going to be good when they release info about it?

Cause they havent released anything yet!! They are acutlaly working on the game first, and then once they actually have something they will put out some info on it.

Just like the Marvel MMO that is now Champions online, they waited it out and once the marvel version fell through Cryptic took it, spun it, and released info so everyone still knew what was going on. The info they have is great and you can tell they have something already just by the few screens and vids they have shown after only a month.

-Jive

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 

/clap

 

Whole point is letting (you) the public play it.  Backing up the argument by providing proof is the best way to do it.

Taking an eternity to get there, and the majority of the excited fan base will have moved on. (Already happening)

 

"This is DFO, This is the best game in the world"

"We have this feature that fucking kicks ass, and this is how it will be.. etc etc"

"We are the true PvP'ers, we are the best"

You know these types of comments, the ones the dickheads keep saying.  Ever heard of the saying, put your money where your mouth is?

People should log onto the Mortal Online forums and see the abusive forumfallers that have made their presence there. Forumfall avatars and all. Its quite silly to be carrying a pretence around with you when there is nothing to back it up, but a few words on a webpage.

Show it to the public, let them play a small part. Guild beta invites was like 30 months or something back, they must of had something then? unless they lied.

There is only some much than can be preached before providing proof. Its way past that point now. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason not to show of the game in public. They have preached an overview of most of the features. Its not like no one knows what might be coming.

In my case it is well intentioned. The reality is a game of this nature being made by 30 people will take 10 yrs. Simple logistics when you really think about it.

I can't wait that long for a video game, Adventurine should stop acting like its 2004, there is some serious competition out there, and its about business at the end of the day.

Its not about the game "not working" its about customer relations and not treating your community like a piece of shit. Because lets be honest, 2 videos and 20 screen shots and 2 fan write ups over 7 yrs is just not good enough.

And what is the number of videos or screenshots that amount a good PR? 2? 10? 100? 1000? Anyone with an exact figure?

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

 

Originally posted by Shadowoak

 

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

If it came up with anything less than a finished game when several times we were told that it is ready for beta and after 7 years of development then i might just call the devs Scammers.

 

I wasn't talking about this years E3

Neither was i, i was just expanding on your Hypothetical Scenario of what i would think if one day this did happen.

 

 

Just a fantasy really but if that did happen then thats probably how i would react after 5 years of waiting for this game.

Thank you for proving my point.

EDIT: Damn typo

Originally posted by singsofdeath

 

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Was that Funcom's employee a DF follower?

Originally posted by Shadowoak

 

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

 

Originally posted by Shadowoak

 

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

If it came up with anything less than a finished game when several times we were told that it is ready for beta and after 7 years of development then i might just call the devs Scammers.

 

I wasn't talking about this years E3

Neither was i, i was just expanding on your Hypothetical Scenario of what i would think if one day this did happen.

 

 

Just a fantasy really but if that did happen then thats probably how i would react after 5 years of waiting for this game.

 

 

Thank you for proving my point.

 

EDIT: Damn typo

And that was?

Originally posted by Shadowoak

 

Originally posted by singsofdeath

 

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Was that Funcom's employee a DF follower?

Maybe I'm just too slow at this time of night.