Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

1. If someone cares for graphics so much that it decides about what game he's playing, he should play egoshooters and not roleplaying games.

2. I cant help people that arent impressed with Vanguards art and graphics. For me, its much more than I ever asked for. The viewing distances you can have in this game are simply amazing. And the various races have been matched beautifully, for example, the halfling houses are done exactly right.

3. People who want visually perfect combat should play, guess what, damn egoshooters. Combat in Vanguard is simply superb; I keep wondering how I will ever be able to stand a game without these combat features. I frankly dont even have time to check the combat animations, because I have so much else to do.

4. Sorry, but I dont care for animal races.

Originally posted by Nul1

Originally posted by varrius

Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down?

I doubt EVERYTHING about this game is much better than anything else.

1)It's low on endgame content.
2)Diplomacy is pretty useless. It's not really incorporated into the world.
3)Some think crafting is useless since, named item drops have had their item level increased by 10!
4)Hitching
5)Character models are shit.
6)On screen character performance is shit.
7)Some animations are horrible.
8)Plenty enough bugs and broken quests.
9)Default UI is clunky and ugly.
10)Font is horrible.
11)Helmets are mostly ugly.
12)Normal mapping can sometimes make the world look unreal and ugly.
13)Normal mapping is needed to keep mountains from looking like shit.
14)Clothing and textures are underwhelming.

FYI: I've been joining the game on and off since May07. I just recently canceled my account, and waiting for GU6 at least this time.

2) I wouldn't say useless. They are desired by crafters and adventurers e.g raiders. And the ones I know really enjoy diplomacy. I've had the best laughs on the diplomacy quests. Really nice storylines and dialogue in them. A Diplomat could say Adventuring is useless. All matter of view.

3) Yes some, but crafting community is still thriving and I certainly enjoy it (producing items, not the work order grind). And I'm sure it's not in it's final stage yet. Dev's will still balance the game, I'm certain.

4) In the scope of GU5 or earlier. Dev's stated this.

5) Your point of view. More optimization to come and new options as well. I wait and see, but I personally love the way my wood elf druid looks like. She is pretty.

6) character performance? do you mean their movement? I think this Monk video is one of the best I've seen and it is fun to watch. But maybe I'm just used to the way characters move in this game heh. http://www.dassechstehaus.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=66

7) Maybe, I'd like the dancing emote to be more feminine (since I'm a female). But it's hardly game breaking?

8) Being fixed all the time. And this is not the state of any other game??

9) Lots of custom UIs there to be chosen from.

10) *sighs* game breaking?

11) matter of opinion. I see many characters proudly wearing them, even if some said they are ugly in the forums. I just turn it off if I don't like the looks, but thats usually because I don't want to mess my hair *flips her hair*

12-13) Normal mapping? you mean rendering and other graphics quality? Yes unfortunate if not able to run the game in best quality form. I don't just to have it performing smooth, but still it makes me awe the sights sometimes.

14) Well depends what you are used to and what you like. Realism vs unrealistic.

Anyway nothing listed here prevents me from gaming and enjoying the content. It's matter of choices.

Originally posted by Adamantine

1. If someone cares for graphics so much that it decides about what game he's playing, he should play egoshooters and not roleplaying games.

2. I cant help people that arent impressed with Vanguards art and graphics. For me, its much more than I ever asked for. The viewing distances you can have in this game are simply amazing. And the various races have been matched beautifully, for example, the halfling houses are done exactly right.

3. People who want visually perfect combat should play, guess what, damn egoshooters. Combat in Vanguard is simply superb; I keep wondering how I will ever be able to stand a game without these combat features. I frankly dont even have time to check the combat animations, because I have so much else to do.

4. Sorry, but I dont care for animal races.

 

LoL, "egoshooters"?

I love shooters also. I play BF2, BF2142 and ARMA whenever I get a chance. Again its a matter of taste I guess. I just realized a long time ago MMORPG's are simply NOT the genre for PvP. Every genre has its strengths.

Other then that VG is the same old hot button whack a mole found in every other MMO with a few minor variations. Doesn't bother me in the least because its what I expected from an MMO. hotkey / timer / hotkey / timer. So, whatever on the animations, its not like you control it anyway. Now if was like Oblivion where you controlled the block or parry, that would be different.

I agree with the other guy on the animal races though. Very carelessly done. I really hope they do something about that. It was a missed opportunity in the artistic sense. Does it break the game? No.

Sorry, but the combat in VG is complex enough already for my needs.

Originally posted by Nul1
I doubt EVERYTHING about this game is much better than anything else.

1)It's low on endgame content.
2)Diplomacy is pretty useless. It's not really incorporated into the world.
3)Some think crafting is useless since, named item drops have had their item level increased by 10!
4)Hitching
5)Character models are shit.
6)On screen character performance is shit.
7)Some animations are horrible.
8)Plenty enough bugs and broken quests.
9)Default UI is clunky and ugly.
10)Font is horrible.
11)Helmets are mostly ugly.
12)Normal mapping can sometimes make the world look unreal and ugly.
13)Normal mapping is needed to keep mountains from looking like shit.
14)Clothing and textures are underwhelming.

FYI: I've been joining the game on and off since May07. I just recently canceled my account, and waiting for GU6 at least this time.

1. Endgame has just as many quest areas as the other level ranges, and the quests there are all very long, so I fail to see your point. Vanguard is NOT a game where the endgame is the game itself, like in Guild Wars. I have a maxlevel adventurer since more than 3 months and I am far from having finished my endgame quests. Plus theres APW and that one will probably last longer than the rest combined.

2. True, but - other games dont even have Diplomacy at all, so where is the disadvantage to other games ?

3. Or one could alternatively say they made things easier for people who want to just adventure. And the level increase was (a) only 5 levels and (b) only for some drops, not for all of them.

4. Not as such, no. I mean, there is some sometimes, but its not a general problem.

6. Eh ? Whats that  anyway ?

7. The only bad animation I've seen in the whole game is the movement of the camel mounts. Oh, and there where some ugly animation bugs sometimes.

8. Not the problem. Every game of that size and this sheer amount of quests will have buggy quests. The problem is that some major questlines are buggy since the beginning of the game and the devs still didnt managed to fix them.

All other: Thats about taste. For example, I have no idea whats wrong with the Font of the game. I know only ONE animation that really looks bad. Yeah I dont like the new faces and the new helmets, but I hope the reduced number of polygons for players will help to allow better performance in future mass events.

Originally posted by Vrika

Originally posted by Hoobley

 

Originally posted by Nul1

I doubt EVERYTHING about this game is much better than anything else.

1)It's low on endgame content.
2)Diplomacy is pretty useless. It's not really incorporated into the world.
3)Some think crafting is useless since, named item drops have had their item level increased by 10!
4)Hitching
5)Character models are shit.
6)On screen character performance is shit.
7)Some animations are horrible.
8)Plenty enough bugs and broken quests.
9)Default UI is clunky and ugly.
10)Font is horrible.
11)Helmets are mostly ugly.
12)Normal mapping can sometimes make the world look unreal and ugly.
13)Normal mapping is needed to keep mountains from looking like shit.
14)Clothing and textures are underwhelming.

I think almost everything you've listed here is due to be fixed or changed, isn't it?

 

I just have to comment on this, that if it's a year old game and is has this many major faults that are due to be changed. Then shouldn't we all agree that there is something seriously wrong with this game.

I don't mean now that Vanguard wouldn't also have it's good sides, as it has also much good in it. It just would deserve a larger dedicated team to support and upgrade it, so that it could really be fixed and some time become a good game.

As it is I don't think it can be considered good, it has its fans just because there isn't any similar and good game available.

1. Actually if you compare vanguard to World of Warcraft at the 1 year mark vanguard has just as much, if not more end game than wow had

2. Diplomacy  is not useless .now i didnt like diplo to much myself but my guild needed  people to do it to get the notes for the guild hall deed to buy the plot . So i did it for my guild but as i was grinding notes i would get bored and go do all the different diplo quests around Telon  Well totally awesome for filling in the lore of different area's.  Well i wouldnt say it was fun am glad i did it because now i go through places and its not just say 3 rivers with some npc's standing around  ,Its now a place i know the people and thier struggles and some of the history of the area .Plus high level diplo clothing is awesome looking and there other things you can get like barding and whole bunch of stuff you cant get any other way

3.Lol come on crafting is usless , first thing i did was craft to 50 in weaponsmith well guess who has the most money in my guild  ya thats right the crafters they didnt bump the stats of dropped gear to the point that crafted is now useless that would be pretty stupid dont you think

4 .Hitching well personally i dont have a problem with hitching or preformance myself i know that some people seem to on these forums anyway, ive never heard anyone in my guild ever complain about hitching or preformance. But than again where all adults and all of us do have pretty good computers

The rest of your points are a matter of opinion so i have no comment on them other than i dont agree with any of them.  Except the helmets are ugly one,but for me helmets are ugly in any game i wont play a game that dosent give me the option of hiding them

Originally posted by Nul1

Originally posted by varrius

Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down? 

I doubt EVERYTHING about this game is much better than anything else.

1)It's low on endgame content.
2)Diplomacy is pretty useless. It's not really incorporated into the world.
3)Some think crafting is useless since, named item drops have had their item level increased by 10!
4)Hitching
5)Character models are shit.
6)On screen character performance is shit.
7)Some animations are horrible.
8)Plenty enough bugs and broken quests.
9)Default UI is clunky and ugly.
10)Font is horrible.
11)Helmets are mostly ugly.
12)Normal mapping can sometimes make the world look unreal and ugly.
13)Normal mapping is needed to keep mountains from looking like shit.
14)Clothing and textures are underwhelming.

FYI: I've been joining the game on and off since May07. I just recently canceled my account, and waiting for GU6 at least this time.

I just added this to my Station Access acct last week and have got some good time in on it.  It wasn't that much of a hit at $20 for the discs.

The game isn't half bad.  It's not as polished as EQ2, and it has bugs, but the world is huge and diverse.  Actually I have not seen such diversity in a base release game without expansions anywhere else.  WoW even with expansion does not come close to the areas that VG has.

For me, it is a diversion once in a while when I want a change for a night, with something that's different, without having to add another subscription cost.  It is weak graphically and content-wise compared to EQ2 but the added things such as diplomacy, make it worth playing.

There is a lot to like about V:SOH in its current state.

The major problem for PvP minded players is the low population on Sartok.  Without lots of PCs, PvP becomes dull.