General Discussion

Originally posted by Nightbringe1

 

Originally posted by ZeroKORE

 

Originally posted by mlambert890

 

 

If they dont attack the private servers, they set a precedent that private servers are ok.  Today it is some guys basement and some internet cafe.  Tomorrow it is a company in China with 100.000 users.  How will they attack THAT operation if they ignored the SMALL private servers?  Believe me... Precedent is strong in court.

As for the botters, there are no botters on "private" servers because there are no PEOPLE there really and everyone just hits the "win" button or the "easy" button and gets what they want.  I dont consider "fun" just being able to run around in god mode and, just because many seem to, doesnt mean it makes sense for a company to cater to them or means it is ok to steal a game engine. 

The argument of "well its a fun game, but its too hard, there are too many cheaters, there are botters, I dont have tons of time, I just want to BE lvl 100, and if I dont get all of that Ill steal it!" just isnt reasonable.

 

 

The means and tools are out there for me to continue my enjoyment for the game... But I shouldn't because the software is being stolen to make private servers.

 

Logically it makes sense yes.

But they wont be able to stop private servers anymore than botting or farming can be stopped.

So Ill continue to have fun and enjoyment out of a game I like to play.

 

And the next time someone robs your house or steals your car hey, they were just having some fun so they should be able to get away with it.

 

Stealing is criminal, if you engage in it you deserve to pay, just like any other criminal. Games can cost millions to develope, the salaries of the developers and programmers are not cheap. You have abolutely NO right to just help yourself to the fruits of their labor.

And I do agree with you, I understand it. But as long as people are able to exploit they will continue to do so. Its like thinking that placing cameras in a store is going to stop stealing, when in reality, it wont, because there is ways around it. There will always be ways around it.

Its funny I heard the other day on the radio that they are advertising a number to call to turn in people who are actively pirating software and movies, and there is "up to 1 million dollar reward." I thought this is just another outcry to the public saying we have limited to no power to stop it.

There is just no effective way a company can fight this, its too widespread and costs way too much money. Money they are not willing to fork out or even have the budget for.

I dont see an end to piracy in any near future.  I hate to endorse it, but its all about "me me me me" to people now adays.

Its a shame this is how it plays out, because I WANT to give ncsoft my money to further develope the games. But I won't because its not enjoyable and not worth my money. 

This whole thing is a catch-22

Many ideas, no real solutions.

My money is on them using the L2OFF server software as opposed to L2J...

One being illegal, the other being being in a somewhat grey area.

tech if they coded from scratch just using packets. there not illagle

Basically those in favor of private servers are saying.. yeah its okay to steal as long as you can get away with it. Imagine working your ass off for years to develop a software and someone stole your software add their own name on it and go around selling or giving it away.. what would you feel ? If I have a best selling multi-million dollar IP I'd hell do anything to protect it.

Again, I repeat it.  I support the NC peoples who sues, hunt, kill these illegal servers.

However, they must leave the devs alone.  Don't take away the devs motivation, interest, purpose.  Corporate NC peoples have lawyers, bulldog, brutes.  Devs are not to be wasted there, or as little as possible.

Me, I want my focus with the devs themselves and pay for a good game.  I don't want my devs, to be even remotedly involved in this, it would taint them and hurt their inner spirit.  I want my "NC devs" to focus on my good games! :)

So, again, I hardly see why we should talk about that much.  This is, hopefully, corporate NC only.  They have rights and obligations toward their boss, their devs...and their players/wanna be players (currently unsubscribed because me want mooooore!). :)

See, I hope Bab for example has nearly nothing to do with hunting down these illegal servers.  I want da Bab (Lead Programmer) "happy" and focused on the game.  Not about some stuff no happening on the official game.  I guess as a programmer he would have to be involved a little, but keep it to a minimal.  The artist/designers of the game shouldn't be involved at all.

You are what you eat.  If my devs are involved in this too much...it would destroy my game.  NC corporate folks, they have a duty to make sure the devs are involved as little as possible (of course a programmer like Bab would need to speak with the programmers to hunt down the pirates stuff, but he wouldn't be hunting down these "criminals", nor focusing on that, nor any dev-prog, have a distinct programmer staff for that hunting).

Me wants to make sure NC corporate don't hurt my devs...or... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Im1bCKoQs8

See, this thread seriously scare me.  I can see, easily, corporate folks, screwing my devs badly.  With focus on stuff these devs shouldn't even think much about.

This is more hilarious than a US political debate ROFLMFAO!

Anyone who doesn't know the difference between copyright infringement & stealing, doesn't have the intelligence (nor moral fibre) to be in this discussion, period, so feel free to abstain, mkay? :)

And anyone who thinks current IP laws are anything but a mockery of what was intended or are somehow decent & right, is obviously just another sponge in one of the cartel links. All hail the Gods of Capitalism!

Someone using someone else's code for personal use & NOT profit (unlike these Internet cafes) is clearly not in the same pig sty. Not to mention, a lot of the peeps here have PAID for the game, PAID for many months/years of sub & now you would begrudge them playing on their own server (which costs the mmo dev exactly ZERO!) for their own reasons/setup/preferred style!? Are you guys like all NC flunkies or something LOL? NC has a right to prevent loss of profit, sure. Let them prove said loss against anyone using their code for personal, non-profit use only. Prove to me I would've bought your game otherwise & we can start a rational discourse. Let's not even get into free advertising, word of mouth & how marketing forces work around freeware & open source products to actually generate MORE total revenue!

In any case, this is about nothing but greed & the almighty dollar. To quote the good book correctly for a change: "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil". Case in point: current IP laws since the 1950s.

Anyone else calls me a thief or cheap & I'll email them a fiver. Let's see who's cheap now! :)

Viva La Revolucion!!!

I played l2 some years ago. I've started on a private server due to some friends. After i started enjoying the game i decided to go on the official ones. I really don't mind paying 15$ for something i like nor the 1x rates. But after 2 month i couldnt stand all the bots exploiters and such. Went back to a private server and had way more fun not because it was free, not because i leveled a bit faster it was because the owner was actually trying to amke it a fair game, I haven't even saw 1 bot on that private. Altho i'm not playing anymore that server has passed any of the official server in the number of online people in a single world ...it reaked around 9k players.

On private servers there are 3 types of players. The ones which can't afford and those will never go on official. the ones that play it coz its free but if they really like it they will go on official (on this one private servers actually help). The last one are tthe people really hating the way NC Soft treats their customers and allowing to game to become worst then the f2p games and those won't go back unless they decide to do something regarding the bots especially.

Now who the heck takes the decision at NC Soft when it's obvious that they have to fix their game first and not start chasing ghosts. They will never manage to close all the private servers and that on som Eastern European countries that are not in EU they don't even have laws on those things...so they are imune to NC Soft... 

Just a pair of facts:

There are L2 private servers that completely blocked botting software, private servers where people could have done money cause of their high popularity (6.000 players online at the same time). What they should do is to hire those talented coders so they improve the game protection and packets blocking, and create a casual server with 5x rates or so, now that would be a good idea.

there labor lol you gusy relize most private server are made from ground up with just using packets right?

ive read throw the eura or what ever its called. as long as the private server is using there own code or a emulator group code and not stolen code and not charging ncsoft cant do a darn thing.