Pirates of the Burning Sea

http://potbs.armeagle.nl shows real-time server populations. It's currently primetime in the US and *all* servers are listed at light.

A .nl site? Don't you see it's a Dutch conspiracy to see the game fail because the Netherlands is not a playable nation?

More seriously, FLS should have seen it coming.  It all goes back to that quote by Isildur back in July 2007: "The people who want to gank are waiting for the Next Big Failure to come along, to let them grief noobs for a few months before it shrivels up and dies. This is because every sane developer has learned this lesson: griefing and ganking doesn’t just lose you the $15/mo from the person who was griefed. It has a multiplicative effect, creating an environment in your game, and a reputation outside your game, and people tend to steer clear. ‘Play to Crush’ as a selling point and marketing slogan probably lost SB twice the players it ended up bringing them."

I asked a few weeks ago: "Is "no crying in the red circle" in danger of becoming the 2008 version of "Play to Crush", even with no advertising campaign built around it?" 

Link: http://www.burningsea.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21615

Still no response from the devs over that, and yet now there are news that some of the most gank-friendly posts in that thread have vanished (surprise!).  But "no crying in the red circle" is still going around, quoted by both devs and players alike.  Surely they must have seen that was a mistake by now?

Originally posted by smg77

http://potbs.armeagle.nl shows real-time server populations. It's currently primetime in the US and *all* servers are listed at light.

If you check that site out of primetime,  you will even see some nations listed as "None"

It only takes one player to gain a "Light" rating so there are probably even more nations virtually devoid of players outside primetime.

Originally posted by Vetarnias

Still no response from the devs over that, and yet now there are news that some of the most gank-friendly posts in that thread have vanished (surprise!).  But "no crying in the red circle" is still going around, quoted by both devs and players alike.  Surely they must have seen that was a mistake by now?

I think this is going to be a case of FLS not wanting to admit they were wrong. You're right, though, some of the most vocal griefers on their forums haven't posted in weeks.

Hillarious but I cannot say I am surprised, thanks for the link smg77. I now half expect a deadender to come and make a lecture how only wimps don't like POTBS and how the game is poised to climb up like EVE did. Funny enough that PvE only late commer like LOTRO got roughly the same number of subscribers EVE built with painful slowness over the years.

It is a no brainer really, larget number of players are PvE first, second and smaller group are PvE/PvP players and third and the smallest group are hardcore PvPers. That being all PvErs and majority of PvPers don't like ganking.

The game was overhyped and badly designed. Ten years ago that might make it fly but not today, the majority of players voted with their feet.

Reposting link to Vetarnias' thread discussing gank galore in POTBS. It was hard to access in the original post above.

http://www.burningsea.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21615

The game PvE part was fun. So why that failed?, maybe the people that want this type of gameplay is playing EVE.

Originally posted by Illyrian

I now half expect a deadender to come and make a lecture how only wimps don't like POTBS and how the game is poised to climb up like EVE did.

Not needed, although you could read up on common critical thinking.

Funny thing is that it is so easy to believe things when they show what you want them to.

The script on the linked site is not working correct.

Originally posted by Orphes

 

Originally posted by Illyrian

I now half expect a deadender to come and make a lecture how only wimps don't like POTBS and how the game is poised to climb up like EVE did.

Not needed, although you could read up on common critical thinking.

 

Funny thing is that it is so easy to believe things when they show what you want them to.

The script on the linked site is not working correct.

And no, I am not going to enter a discussion with you. Enjoy your education on critical thinking:)

The thing is EVE is a misunderstood game and it is wrong to compare EVE and POTBS.

In an active potbs server  it should have so many pvp zones that it becomes impossible for 'carebears' such as traders and producers or mission runners playing in peace. There would be no avoiding it unless they all relocate themselves.

In eve whil it is possible for me to pirate and kill in high sec, I will be hit by Concord very quickly. Likewise the clever players in high sec, mining or whatever are helped by the inability of pirates to enter those areas...and if they can all you need to do is be careful and fit your ship correctly and stay aligned to a station and you can mostly escape rapidly.

So basically EVE caters for hardcore pvp'ers with its harsh pvp system, while providing adequate protection for the carebears and providing a massive aspect of the game (market trading, detailed production etc) for them to play without ever fighting.